Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

looks great J
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photos look professional
plants look delicious too
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Looking sweet enough to eat!
 
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Yeah what they said:cheertwo:
 
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jandre2k3 said:
It's all about the he said she said bullshit!
I think you better quit
Talkin' that shit
Or you'll be leavin' with a fat lip.
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what you talkin about Willis?
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Thanks to Corey at Blue Planet Nutrients posting in Xlr8's journal a while back, Xlr8's "Flo N Gro" Hydro Multiple Strains 2011 I can now mix up what comes to me at 20-30 bucks a quart for pennies per gallon. I will now refer to this recipe, for simplicity's sake as ***Blue Range ZONE, or ***BRZONE. Our debt to your expertise, caring, and support for this community can never be repaid.

The following product comes to me at about 20-30 USDollars per quart. Please note the Guaranteed Analysis so as to understand what Corey has done below.

And now for the recipe.
Blue Planet Nutrients said:
Ok so here we go:

First of all, VERY IMPORTANT!!! : TOO MUCH copper will KILL your plants. no Joke. So please, please, please, if you use this recipe you must have a VERY accurate scale. something like a jewelers scale that measures grams to at least one decimal place.

This recipe is for 1 gallon of homemade RootZone DM

first of all, when buying copper sulfate, there a couple different formulations for that particular chemical. so, what I have done is this: The following link is for 500 grams of copper sulfate pentahydrate
CHEM CU SULFATE PENTA ACS 500G - Laboratory Chemicals - Laboratory Supplies - 8EJ50 : Grainger Industrial Supply

The molecular weight of copper sulfate pentahydrate is 249.68
The molecular weight of copper is 63.546
divide 63.546 by 249.68 and you will find that copper sulfate pentahydrate is 25.6% copper. If you use another form of copper sulfate, make sure that you know the molecular weight of the compound which you can find using a periodic table. the reason I say this is that there is also Copper(II) sulfate (cupric sulfate) which has a higher percentage of copper because it is not hydrated.
Anyway, for 1 gallon, you will need exactly 15.14 grams of copper sulfate pentahydrate which is 1.024 grams of elemental copper per liter of water and thus 3.88 grams of elemental copper per gallon
1.024 grams elemental copper per 1000 ml RO water equals .1% soluble copper.

The amount of potassium nitrate in that stuff is negligible. I don't even know why it is in there. They use roughly 13 grams of potassium nitrate per gallon which does not contribute to the potassium or nitrogen content of your nutrient solution much at all.
So, just throw in 13-14 grams per gallon of potassium nitrate (saltpeter) and you will have roughly .06% nitrogen and .15% potassium
you can get potassium nitrate just about anywhere. you can get it on ebay for about $5 a pound all day long and most of the stuff listed on ebay is refined and high quality....much more pure than what is needed for this recipe.

anyway, to re-cap this recipe for 1 gallon of homemade rootzone DM:
use 15.14 grams of copper sulfate pentahydrate
13 grams of potassium nitrate
and 1 gallon (3785) ml pure RO water

There you have it. 1 gallon of RootZone DM for pennies!

Thank you very much... as I bow deeply for the audience lol :)
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TANK ADDITIVE - USAGE INSTRUCTIONS

All Black Bottle product usage instructions are the same as the equivalent Gold Range product usage instructions.

  • Use From Beginning Of Grow To The End Of Flower.
  • Is Your Root Zone Fully Optimised — It could be with Blue Range ZONE!
  • Is Your Growth Restricted By Sub-Optimal Roots?
  • Help Your Plants Take Up To 100% Of The Nutrients You Feed Them!
  • Blue Range ZONE Works With All Synthetic Nutrients & Additives, In All Systems And All Mediums!
We all know that fast growing plants have a big demand for food and water but were you aware of the fact that if your root zone system is not fully optimized, then your plants might be missing out on the ability to uptake all that they need? Trusted around the world by countless growers, Blue Range ZONE ensures that your root system and environment are optimized to help your plants take up to 100% of what they need - all of the time! Forget the enzymes and forget the beneficial bacteria.

Corey has specifically formulated this recipe to be almost identical to Gold Range ZONE for use as a full time maintenance program and is your frontline tool of choice for the ultimate root zone environment!

For use with most growing media and its high performance action performs equally well in any grow system — truly universal! Try it today and see just how important your Optimised Root Zone is when looking for that bumper crop!

USAGE INSTRUCTIONS:
To use, simply follow these easy guidelines!

LIGHT STRENGTH:
Use from the day you plant, to the day you harvest! Recommended for continual use throughout the grow and flower when water temperature is below 21C / 70F. Add Blue Range ZONE at the rate of 5 ml / 1 teaspoon per 20 litres / 5 gallons of final tank level or volume, with all other additives and before adding your primary nutrient. Check and adjust final nutrient strength using a TDS (PPM or EC) meter. Adjust pH to approximately 5.5 for Rockwool, Perlite, Clay, Vermiculite, Aeroponics, DWC, NFT, Hydro or Coco users or 5.9 for dirt or soilless systems such as Promix or Sunshine mix. Feed according to your systems normal requirements.

MEDIUM STRENGTH:
Use when water temperature reaches or exceeds 23C / 74F. Your root zone can quickly get out of balance when your water temperature reaches or exceeds this mark. Using Blue Range ZONE at this strength, before problems occur, will optimize your root zone's condition until your water temperature falls back into the safe area below 21C / 70F. Add Blue Range ZONE at the rate of 9 ml / 2 teaspoons per 20 litres / 5 gallons of final tank level or volume, with all other additives and before adding your primary nutrient. Check and adjust final nutrient strength using a TDS (PPM or EC) meter. Adjust pH to approximately 5.5 for Rockwool, Perlite, Clay, Vermiculite, Aeroponics, DWC, NFT, Hydro or Coco users or 5.9 for dirt or soilless systems such as Promix or Sunshine mix. Feed according to your systems normal requirements.

AGGRESSIVE STRENGTH:
Use this strength at first signs of a 'less than optimal' root zone. Using Blue Range ZONE at this strength is very effective at quickly re-establishing optimal root zone conditions. Once your plants have regained their vigor, return to using medium strength Blue Range ZONE for the remainder of your grow and / or flower cycles. Add Blue Range ZONE at the rate of 12 ml / 2 ½ teaspoons per 20 litres / 5 gallons of final tank level or volume, with all other additives and before adding your primary nutrient. Check and adjust final nutrient strength using a TDS (PPM or EC) meter. Adjust pH to approximately 5.5 for Rockwool, Perlite, Clay, Vermiculite, Aeroponics, DWC, NFT, Hydro or Coco users or 5.9 for dirt or soilless systems such as Promix or Sunshine mix. See Growers Tips for more info. Feed according to your systems normal requirements.[/TD]
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Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

So as you all can tell, I got in everything needed today, and will be mixing some of this up to place in Neonatal, Maternity Ward, K-8, and Cardboard Flower Box tanks. Using this throughout all reservoirs, hopefully will alleviate the need to constantly add H202 into the reservoirs every three days to keep growth in my systems to a minimum.

Everything came from Shmam-shmazon dot com, and cost less than going to buy Dutch Masters RootZone at the store. Please allow me to clarify. I did pay shipping, and I did pay full asking price for each ingredient received, and STILL did not pay as much as I would have for a quart of the name-brand stuff.
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So, there should be a new vigor, and life to me as things in the grow are looking up, and I should be able to really concentrate on plant structure.

One thing that will have to happen, is that I need to RECLONE all my mothers, and start fresh. Their shape has suffered due to repeated infections from fungus, to bacterial growth in the reservoirs. With the recipe in place, hopefully things will be more manageable.

To all: peace, and, good-night.


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Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Okay, folks! 9ml per 5 Gal dded to all reservoirs. We should start to see better growth in a week or two. Going to start the re-cloning project, now. Wish me some luck that I get some viable mothers from the new clones taken. Only one not re-cloning is Tangerine Dream, because she's still new.
 
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GiGaBaNE said:
hey bro just a few random things.
i hear honey is the best rooter.

low n we know, high carbs is new to me but suppose to speed things up.

lol thats it really.

good luck! =D
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Honey/Molasses is food for bacteria in a hydro system. I'm trying to get my system back to sterile. Not gonna try to do that, and give bacteria food at the same time. Although that does seem oddly, sadisticly, funny to lure them in, only to have them die to increased copper levels.
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

I'm still trying to zero in on the best DWC method/mixture for my environment. I can't chill these little reservoirs, although I have a new Maternity Ward, and cloning rack (YAY!) Shmam's Club reduced these bad boys to $20, and I had to get it. All steel, wire shelf. Each shelf has max load of 300lbs.

The top shelf houses my Maternity Ward, which doubled in size yesterday. I did have all six mothers in one flood tray, not ideal, but I didn't have this size to work with until now. And don't say anything about the shape of the Mothers in the Maternity Ward, I know... I'm fixing that. The bottom shelf with the bubble cloners on it I made extra tall, so I can also veg in that space and not have to worry about headroom. The lights, I can lower or raise as needed, and there is space for more light if needed as well. This shelf was made with 4, but I only have three on this one because of that. Reservoir(s) below where it stays cooler, 69 degrees Fahrenheit on the foot-shelf about 4" off the carpet...



I've been working on a new cloning recipe for my situation. Can y'all take a look at this and tell me what you think?

In each bubble cloner I will mix:
Tap Water 40ppm, temps run 69-76 F: 1.5Gal
Dyna-Gro liquid K-L-N Rooting Concentrate: 1-3 tsp/Gal
Blue Range ZONE(to help control bacterial growth):3ml ((9ml per 5Gal)/1.5Gal(cloner capacity) = 3.333333 | 9ml/3.33=2.70ml)
Change every 3-4 days.

Or maybe with the BRZONE, I won't need to change out but every 7. We'll see how it goes.
 
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jandre2k3 said:
Honey/Molasses is food for bacteria in a hydro system. I'm trying to get my system back to sterile. Not gonna try to do that, and give bacteria food at the same time. Although that does seem oddly, sadisticly, funny to lure them in, only to have them die to increased copper levels.
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i agree with every word you just said, but you missed a small thing. there is a chemical compound in honey that stimulates rooting...sterilise away, this is just for the plant, no bacteria allowed :rofl: =D
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

a little snip i saw on a beekeeping forum

Although using honey thusly is a double edged sword, it still has benefit if the application is done correctly.

Create a syrup similar to to how we feed our bees, but make it fairly dilute, perhaps 5 parts water to 1 part honey. (depends on honey and plant). Allow cutting to stand in mixture for 2-3 hours to allow nutrients to be absorbed.

Replace cutting into clean water and let stand for 15 minutes, then plant into appropriate rooting soil.

The honey has trace amounts of the necessary minerals and ash (principly the B vitamin structures). The nutrient only needs to be absorbed into the stem, you don't want the honey to be sitting against the plant, it can burn the plant.

As far as fungi and bacteria are concerned, you are more than likely to contract a yeast infection which is more benificial than harmful, the yeast converting the sugars into carbon dioxide and then in 1 or 2 days, the yeast will maximize population and start to die off providing even more b vitamins and nitrogen.

Done properly this can be a win win situation.
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Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

a little snip i saw on a beekeeping forum

Although using honey thusly is a double edged sword, it still has benefit if the application is done correctly.

Create a syrup similar to to how we feed our bees, but make it fairly dilute, perhaps 5 parts water to 1 part honey. (depends on honey and plant). Allow cutting to stand in mixture for 2-3 hours to allow nutrients to be absorbed.

Replace cutting into clean water and let stand for 15 minutes, then plant into appropriate rooting soil.

The honey has trace amounts of the necessary minerals and ash (principly the B vitamin structures). The nutrient only needs to be absorbed into the stem, you don't want the honey to be sitting against the plant, it can burn the plant.

As far as fungi and bacteria are concerned, you are more than likely to contract a yeast infection which is more benificial than harmful, the yeast converting the sugars into carbon dioxide and then in 1 or 2 days, the yeast will maximize population and start to die off providing even more b vitamins and nitrogen.

Done properly this can be a win win situation.
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Interesting... of course I'll have to do my own research to confirm... But thank you for the outside view of my thinking. I'm not too keen on yeasts in my reservoir, though. Granted it's not one of the main reservoirs, but still, can you imagine? Every time I check for roots one of my girls telling me it smells like beer?
 
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