Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2

[jandre2k3]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Yeah I know its just so much less and for us its alot easier, wasnt putting you down just got to the point were I dreaded using a windows machine after all the years of fixing them. I am at the point though were I need to build us one so were not missing out as much. I have been an apple fan way back before they were so popular.

Hehe, my first computer that I ever touched was an Apple. Then I had an Apple 2c. Then I upgraded that to an actual Macintosh. Then I decided that IBM was the way for me. I've looked a Mac a few other times in those years, and have always stuck with PC for many, many reasons. Not having to run an emulator to use a lot of the software out there was the biggest. The other was the outrageous prices that Apple Charges for their hardware. It's ridiculous, and you can't jsut buy a new part and put it in, you have to go to the frikkin apple store and buy them. That, to me, is the equivalent of buying a brand new car and finding out that I can't buy a simple part for an easy fix without taking it BACK TO THE DEALERSHIP and paying DEALERSHIP PRICES to fix it. That's not going to happen. And Apple Certified repair isn't much better because Apple charges those guys an arm and a leg just to get their approval, so of course they're going to pass that cost on to us...

Add to that the fact that NO ONE can just build a mac. There are proprietary Mac parts that can only be attained and installed by Apple, and they charge WAY MORE than that part is worth. That's not what I'm about.

Keep in mind, I do use Linux, it's just not, nor will it ever be, on a Mac.

 

[GigaGrew]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

i detest proprietry crap.
i would be a full linux user if i ever gave myself the time to learn it.

i use open office and gimp and play games like warzone2100. i love open source..not least of all because its free
i just never got round to linux properly =(

i detest that newer OS's cant play older software, i would still be playing elite, but that hasnt worked on like my last 3 computers =(

 

[OldMedMan]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

<sudders> ugh... Intel... Yeah, I'll stick to my GAMING CPU's. No really, I just prefer AMD Processors. And I knew you built: It's just one of many of your endearing qualities .

Yeah Buddy! I have built many AMDs and still have a couple......Jo has been using one for years....you know I was just pulling your chain a bit.

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Hehe, my first computer that I ever touched was an Apple. Then I had an Apple 2c. Then I upgraded that to an actual Macintosh. Then I decided that IBM was the way for me. I've looked a Mac a few other times in those years, and have always stuck with PC for many, many reasons. Not having to run an emulator to use a lot of the software out there was the biggest. The other was the outrageous prices that Apple Charges for their hardware. It's ridiculous, and you can't jsut buy a new part and put it in, you have to go to the frikkin apple store and buy them. That, to me, is the equivalent of buying a brand new car and finding out that I can't buy a simple part for an easy fix without taking it BACK TO THE DEALERSHIP and paying DEALERSHIP PRICES to fix it. That's not going to happen. And Apple Certified repair isn't much better because Apple charges those guys an arm and a leg just to get their approval, so of course they're going to pass that cost on to us...

Add to that the fact that NO ONE can just build a mac. There are proprietary Mac parts that can only be attained and installed by Apple, and they charge WAY MORE than that part is worth. That's not what I'm about.

Keep in mind, I do use Linux, it's just not, nor will it ever be, on a Mac.

You don't have to run an emulator to run Windows anymore, though some do for reasons of not wanting to boot back out to run Windows. You can boot directly into Windows without emulating, though, they use Intel processors like Windows machines now.

Macbook Pro has been rated the best Windows laptop on the market, frankly, by PC magazine if I remember correctly. Very little is proprietary on them anymore. Heck, I've replaced hard-drives and other hardware on mac laptops with after market stuff not even originally designed for mac - it's all doable, and I'm no tech geek. They just don't encourage it and/or promote it. And yes, sometimes they don't make it easy. But, it's all standard stuff using the same industry standards for the most part. What isn't will probably be the industry standard eventually, because they have a good track record of being first with new technology adoption (USB, for example).

Peripherals are all cross compatible, you can share MS Office files seemlessly... It just runs a different operating system by default, and it's better quality hardware. You get what you pay for to some degree, and the value proposition with many Apple products - is pretty high. I have had them replace or fix so many things for me, out of warranty, for free that I'll never switch. I find their customer service to be exceptional - often. Just a different opinion for you - no offense intended my friend.

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

You know... I hear Apple people say that all the time. There are viruses out there that wipe out Mac users completely, yet Apple people say they can't get viruses.


Question:
Do Macs get viruses?

Answer:

It is possible for an Apple Macintosh computer to get a virus, so the short answer to the question is Yes. However, the likelihood of an Apple Macintosh user getting a virus when compared to a Microsoft Windows user is very little; not none. In fact, many of the Apple Macintosh users don't even run an antivirus protection program.

Below are some of the reasons why Apple Macintosh computers do not have as many viruses as Microsoft Windows.

1. Newer Macintosh operating systems, such as the Mac OS X, is built on the Unix kernel, which is one of the oldest and most secure operating systems available. However, they are not immune to viruses.
2. Microsoft Windows is used by a lot more people than the Apple Mac OS. Because more people use Microsoft Windows, it is a much better target and makes it easier for viruses to spread.
3. Most of the computer virus writers are more familiar with the IBM platform and Microsoft Windows, which means its easier for them create a virus for that platform.
4. Many of the tools, scripts, and code used to create viruses or other malware are designed for Microsoft Windows.

What are some examples of current antivirus programs?

Note: If you're running a virtual PC on your Apple Macintosh or Windows in Bootcamp, because it's emulating Microsoft Windows, it can become infected with Windows viruses. In addition, an Apple Macintosh can serve as a virus carrier, meaning that a virus could be stored on an Apple Computer but not infect it. However, if that infected Apple computer were then to connect to a network or forward an infected e-mail, it could infect a Windows computer.


Software and plug-in threats

Although the Apple OS is more secure than many versions of Windows, any software, plug-ins, or other add-ons that are installed onto the computer that connect to the Internet can introduce their own security vulnerabilities. The most common ways to attack a Mac computer is through a third-party browser and browser plugins like Adobe Reader, Flash, and Java. Today, most Mac users will have these plugins installed and enabled on the computer, but in doing so compromise the overall security of the system.


Additional security threats

Finally, although a Macintosh computer is less susceptible to viruses because it is a human who's operating the computer you still can be a victim of Trojan horses, phishing, and other online fraud. If you're an Apple computer user, we still recommend keeping informed about how to keep safe while online. There is no such thing as a 100% safe computer, a Mac, Windows, and even Linux are all capable of being infected with a virus or other malware.

Well, in the real world I don't have to worry nearly as much about virus's as most Windows users. Period. I'm okay with keeping it that simple, honestly! Sheesh, why such an Apple hater??

Don't be mad, I'm yanking your chain too, but please be more open minded - there are some real benefits to Apple products for MANY. Not all, not you perhaps, but many.

Love ya - don't forget that!

 

[GigaGrew]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

im still having difficulty seeing any benefits to a machine with one mouse button that doesnt play all the best games

 

[jandre2k3]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

You don't have to run an emulator to run Windows anymore, though some do for reasons of not wanting to boot back out to run Windows. You can boot directly into Windows without emulating, though, they use Intel processors like Windows machines now.

Macbook Pro has been rated the best Windows laptop on the market, frankly, by PC magazine if I remember correctly. Very little is proprietary on them anymore. Heck, I've replaced hard-drives and other hardware on mac laptops with after market stuff not even originally designed for mac - it's all doable, and I'm no tech geek. They just don't encourage it and/or promote it. And yes, sometimes they don't make it easy. But, it's all standard stuff using the same industry standards for the most part. What isn't will probably be the industry standard eventually, because they have a good track record of being first with new technology adoption (USB, for example).

Peripherals are all cross compatible, you can share MS Office files seemlessly... It just runs a different operating system by default, and it's better quality hardware. You get what you pay for to some degree, and the value proposition with many Apple products - is pretty high. I have had them replace or fix so many things for me, out of warranty, for free that I'll never switch. I find their customer service to be exceptional - often. Just a different opinion for you - no offense intended my friend.

Well, in the real world I don't have to worry nearly as much about virus's as most Windows users. Period. I'm okay with keeping it that simple, honestly! Sheesh, why such an Apple hater??

Don't be mad, I'm yanking your chain too, but please be more open minded - there are some real benefits to Apple products for MANY. Not all, not you perhaps, but many.

Love ya - don't forget that!

I could never take anything you write to offense... unless of course you meant it that way.


Apple hater? nah... It's just that when I was really working every day repairing computers, if I got a mac in, there was no way to just get a part from my suppliers and put it in. I had to call Apple Support, tell them what was wrong, and they'd STILL go through the long ass checklist of everything just to tell me that I needed to do exactly what I called them for, and that was to A) take it to an Apple Store to have it repaired, or B) order a replacement part. There was no frikkin way I'd make the drive and pay $100/hr for them to tell me the same thing I knew was wrong, and that they needed to order the part. So I'd ask them the price of said part, and at the same time call the client on the other phone and tell them the inflated Apple price (usually twice the price of even the pest parts I had in stock, but didn't work in the Mac) to get the okay to order it. I'd have to order it on my own CC in order to even get the part, and then RMA the busted part to try to get some of my money back. A hassle to say the least, when I had three other parts that just flat didn't fit their sockets, or were otherwise a paperweight with the system.

It got to the point that I started telling people, "I'm sorry, you're going to have to take that to the Apple Store. Apple makes it too hard and too expensive for me to repair it. Now your PC I can have running today, that Mac?? If it's a bad part, 2 weeks minimum with a starting cost of $300 just to cover my expenses to repair it. What isn't eaten up by parts will apply to labor."


Now I understand that may have all changed, and if it has, it's for the better. I don't, however, believe that Apple is at the forefront of new technology. That's a tough bite to swallow.

And yes you don't have to worry about viruses as much as a windows user, but that doesn't make your Mac immune to them. there are viruses written in Linux that will wipe out your system in 2 seconds. I have three of them residing on my War Box right now. That box NEVER...EVER hits the internet, nor does it connect up to my home network. A friend of mine every once in a while asks me to test his newest architecture and I throw him up against my box every time. I'm ready for his next challenge... He, I don't think, has even seen this next approach.

But in all honesty... You do need to worry about viruses, if not for the security of your own system, then, to keep from being a carrier, and spreading them around. Another friend of mine I actually had to block because he kept spreading Windows viruses to me from him Mac. He insisted that Mac were immune to them. Then I showed him the files next time I was over, and told him what was happening. He got an antivirus the next day, and apologized profusely for his arrogance.

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

im still having difficulty seeing any benefits to a machine with one mouse button that doesnt play all the best games

For serious gaming (there's a misnomer), a custom configured PC is probably a great way to go. But, for the average Joe, it's tough to beat the simplicity of the OS X operating system or the quality of Apple's computer hardware, which by the way WILL play just about any Windows game.

No skin off my back if people want to go a different direction. But things have changed. There is a one button mouse alright, but it has advanced multi-touch gesturing that allows for various actions just by rubbing it correctly. To call it one button is a bit misleading these days...

 

[jandre2k3]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

For serious gaming (there's a misnomer), a custom configured PC is probably a great way to go. But, for the average Joe, it's tough to beat the simplicity of the OS X operating system or the quality of Apple's computer hardware, which by the way WILL play just about any Windows game.

No skin off my back if people want to go a different direction. But things have changed. There is a one button mouse alright, but it has advanced multi-touch gesturing that allows for various actions just by rubbing it correctly. To call it one button is a bit misleading these days...

Serious gamer... Oxymoron?

And as far as gestures go? I've got a gesture for most of the hoity-toity Mac owners out there that think they're better than me simply because they had thousands of dollars to waste on what is essentially a LINUX BOX!! The only thing that makes a Mac better in my eyes is their EXTREMELY POWERFUL music-making and visual suites... not much in the PC realm can match it.

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

I could never take anything you write to offense... unless of course you meant it that way.


Apple hater? nah... It's just that when I was really working every day repairing computers, if I got a mac in, there was no way to just get a part from my suppliers and put it in. I had to call Apple Support, tell them what was wrong, and they'd STILL go through the long ass checklist of everything just to tell me that I needed to do exactly what I called them for, and that was to A) take it to an Apple Store to have it repaired, or B) order a replacement part. There was no frikkin way I'd make the drive and pay $100/hr for them to tell me the same thing I knew was wrong, and that they needed to order the part. So I'd ask them the price of said part, and at the same time call the client on the other phone and tell them the inflated Apple price (usually twice the price of even the pest parts I had in stock, but didn't work in the Mac) to get the okay to order it. I'd have to order it on my own CC in order to even get the part, and then RMA the busted part to try to get some of my money back. A hassle to say the least, when I had three other parts that just flat didn't fit their sockets, or were otherwise a paperweight with the system.

It got to the point that I started telling people, "I'm sorry, you're going to have to take that to the Apple Store. Apple makes it too hard and too expensive for me to repair it. Now your PC I can have running today, that Mac?? If it's a bad part, 2 weeks minimum with a starting cost of $300 just to cover my expenses to repair it. What isn't eaten up by parts will apply to labor."


Now I understand that may have all changed, and if it has, it's for the better. I don't, however, believe that Apple is at the forefront of new technology. That's a tough bite to swallow.

And yes you don't have to worry about viruses as much as a windows user, but that doesn't make your Mac immune to them. there are viruses written in Linux that will wipe out your system in 2 seconds. I have three of them residing on my War Box right now. That box NEVER...EVER hits the internet, nor does it connect up to my home network. A friend of mine every once in a while asks me to test his newest architecture and I throw him up against my box every time. I'm ready for his next challenge... He, I don't think, has even seen this next approach.

But in all honesty... You do need to worry about viruses, if not for the security of your own system, then, to keep from being a carrier, and spreading them around. Another friend of mine I actually had to block because he kept spreading Windows viruses to me from him Mac. He insisted that Mac were immune to them. Then I showed him the files next time I was over, and told him what was happening. He got an antivirus the next day, and apologized profusely for his arrogance.

Okay. I'm not going to argue this tired topic childishly, and endlessly so you win. I know you like debating, but I don't. I didn't start this topic, but I like Macs and Apple's hardware a lot, so I take offense to people dissin' it for what reasons I'm still uncertain. Clearly, they've found a niche or two in the marketplace - not by accident. They are very different in how they approach things, and it's not for everyone, but it is for me.

Companies like Samsung, Pioneer and Hitachi make Apple's drives, and hardware etc. Not proprietary stuff really. It's not for everyone (Mac) but it sure works for me. Why not just join us instead of letting your friends infect your machine?

Sorry, but this topic rankles me a bit. Clearly, you are NOT their market demographic, but that's okay!!

 

[GigaGrew]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

i just wish they would take the best bits from both, merge them and end this. i wish it was the difference between a car and a train...but for all intents and purposes they are the same type of machine. i hope mac dies. i dont mean it in an evil way. betamax was better than vhs, but it just didnt belong.

im expecting big things this decade or two.....the titans of old are dead, dying, retired or forced out of power.

no more jobs or gates leading the field. i hope we get a unified architecture that leaves both mac and windows where they belong...in history =D

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Serious gamer... Oxymoron?

And as far as gestures go? I've got a gesture for most of the hoity-toity Mac owners out there that think they're better than me simply because they had thousands of dollars to waste on what is essentially a LINUX BOX!! The only thing that makes a Mac better in my eyes is their EXTREMELY POWERFUL music-making and visual suites... not much in the PC realm can match it.

Who thinks they are better? You dropped the mac's suck bomb, correct? K.

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

I've not bashed Windows or Linux, just tried to defend my platform. To be clear. Sorry if I took it all too personally, but there's room for choice and I don't believe I've thrown thousands away. Nor do I believe you throw your money away if you are getting what you want from your machine - does that make sense? I had to edit one post a bit because I put personal info there I shouldn't have, btw - no other reason (oops).

 

[GigaGrew]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

lol serious gaming is not an oxymoron.

try logging on as a guild leader and having to spend 5 hours responding to help emails, dealing with the logistics of bank management for hundreds of people and be expected to 'go out and play' too....yes, very serious, lol

 

[jandre2k3]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Okay. I'm not going to argue this tired topic childishly, and endlessly so you win. I know you like debating, but I don't. I didn't start this topic, but I like Macs and Apple's hardware a lot, so I take offense to people dissin' it for what reasons I'm still uncertain. Clearly, they've found a niche or two in the marketplace - not by accident. They are very different in how they approach things, and it's not for everyone, but it is for me.

Companies like Samsung, Pioneer and Hitachi make Apple's drives, and hardware etc. Not proprietary stuff really. I've run computer repair departments, and it wasn't that tough fixing them up and getting them out the door, nor that expensive. It's not for everyone (Mac) but it sure works for me. Why not just join us instead of letting your friends infect your machine?

Sorry, but this topic rankles me a bit. Clearly, you are NOT their market demographic, but that's okay!!

ROFL! I love it! "...why not join us..." That actually made me laugh out loud(in a good way). Thank you for that one. I'm really not trying to be abrasive, I hope that I haven't rubbed you the wrong way. I'm not being childish, and I didn't think you were, either. I'm not "dissin' it" I'm simply giving my own experience. And like I said. If that's changed, then, it's for the better. Samsung makes a good video devices, Pioneer makes a good speaker, and obviously, Hitachi, the storage leader makes good... everything they attempt, visual, storage, whatever. Though, their Virtual Machines need a little work.

But yes, I have a PC, and I game....seriously... I don't have a pocket protector, although in Jr. High, I did. I jsut know what works for what I want a machine to do, and I build it for 1/3 of the price it would take any PC manufacturer to sell me, and about 1/4 the price of a mac. My entire set-up here cost me 750 bones. I looked up the same buildout with PC manufacturers at the same time, and with all of them, it would have cost me over 2 grand, and almost 3000 for a Mac of the same processing power. That's where I come from. Frugal, not cheap, and tired of most of the Mac users, (not you, of course) thinking my self built Gaming Monster makes me less-than because I don't own a Mac. That's what I hate about Mac. Snooty Mac Owners.


There... I said it... Sorry if that offends, X, it wasn't meant for you anyway. I know you're not.

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Alright you pics starved 420 people out there... My computer is back online completely, and I have my first volley for you. Will be breaking out the Scope in a few and uploading a few trich shots as well. Since Side B is coming up on 55 days: The first mile marker, I will need to keep an eye on the triches to judge how far along, and lucky you... You get to look along!


Side A:
26.9 days tracking Jandre Kush - Jandre
42.9 days tracking Jandre Kush - Jandre
42.9 days tracking Purple Mr Nice Clone - P. MrN
42.9 days tracking Purple Mr Nice Clone - P. MrN

Side B:
52.9 days tracking Jandre Kush Clone - Jandre
52.9 days tracking Jandre Kush Clone - Jandre
52.9 days tracking Jandre Kush Clone - Jandre
52.9 days tracking Jandre Kush Clone - Jandre
52.9 days tracking Purple Mr Nice Clone - P. MrN






















And for all you perverts.... Here's a big phallic symbol for you

Plants look great - sorry for contributing to derailing things, J. Nice growin' bud!

 

[jandre2k3]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Plants look great - sorry for contributing to derailing things, J. Nice growin' bud!

Thank-ya!

I asked the question, you were replying. No harm done, my good friend.

 

[Mark30g]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Time to throw some pics In thread I say and change this heated subjectpu a smile on my face lmao.

One only has to look at the mobiles phones to see that the tech giant's Apple are slowly sliding below Samsung and I for one am glad I never jumped on the Apple bandwagon and adore their rivals so much.
After all its not about the spec's it's only about 1 thing! All about the Brand regarding their user's not that it's superior or anything else just the name.

Ps Defo subbed for this thread and hope y'all don't mind me pulling up my chair.

 

[Mark30g]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Ohh sorry must of been thinking the same m8.
Check the cola out dude sexy I must say Jandre.

Not sure if you have mentioned the root conditioner but how is that going m8?
All good I hope bro

 

[jandre2k3]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Ohh sorry must of been thinking the same m8.
Check the cola out dude sexy I must say Jandre.

Not sure if you have mentioned the root conditioner but how is that going m8?
All good I hope bro

Blue Range ZONE
Waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy back on post 109

Thanks to Corey at Blue Planet Nutrients posting in Xlr8's journal a while back, Xlr8's "Flo N Gro" Hydro Multiple Strains 2011 I can now mix up what comes to me at 20-30 bucks a quart for pennies per gallon. I will now refer to this recipe, for simplicity's sake as ***Blue Range ZONE, or ***BRZONE. Our debt to your expertise, caring, and support for this community can never be repaid.

The following product comes to me at about 20-30 USDollars per quart. Please note the Guaranteed Analysis so as to understand what Corey has done below.

And now for the recipe.

Ok so here we go:

First of all, VERY IMPORTANT!!! : TOO MUCH copper will KILL your plants. no Joke. So please, please, please, if you use this recipe you must have a VERY accurate scale. something like a jewelers scale that measures grams to at least one decimal place.

This recipe is for 1 gallon of homemade RootZone DM

first of all, when buying copper sulfate, there a couple different formulations for that particular chemical. so, what I have done is this: The following link is for 500 grams of copper sulfate pentahydrate
CHEM CU SULFATE PENTA ACS 500G - Laboratory Chemicals - Laboratory Supplies - 8EJ50 : Grainger Industrial Supply

The molecular weight of copper sulfate pentahydrate is 249.68
The molecular weight of copper is 63.546
divide 63.546 by 249.68 and you will find that copper sulfate pentahydrate is 25.6% copper. If you use another form of copper sulfate, make sure that you know the molecular weight of the compound which you can find using a periodic table. the reason I say this is that there is also Copper(II) sulfate (cupric sulfate) which has a higher percentage of copper because it is not hydrated.
Anyway, for 1 gallon, you will need exactly 15.14 grams of copper sulfate pentahydrate which is 1.024 grams of elemental copper per liter of water and thus 3.88 grams of elemental copper per gallon
1.024 grams elemental copper per 1000 ml RO water equals .1% soluble copper.

The amount of potassium nitrate in that stuff is negligible. I don't even know why it is in there. They use roughly 13 grams of potassium nitrate per gallon which does not contribute to the potassium or nitrogen content of your nutrient solution much at all.
So, just throw in 13-14 grams per gallon of potassium nitrate (saltpeter) and you will have roughly .06% nitrogen and .15% potassium
you can get potassium nitrate just about anywhere. you can get it on ebay for about $5 a pound all day long and most of the stuff listed on ebay is refined and high quality....much more pure than what is needed for this recipe.

anyway, to re-cap this recipe for 1 gallon of homemade rootzone DM:
use 15.14 grams of copper sulfate pentahydrate
13 grams of potassium nitrate
and 1 gallon (3785) ml pure RO water

There you have it. 1 gallon of RootZone DM for pennies!

Thank you very much... as I bow deeply for the audience lol

***Naming this homemade rootzone product was not Corey's idea, but my own. All responsibility for the similarity in name is my own, and Blue Planet Nutrients should not be held responsible if anyone gets pissy about it...

Blue Range ZONE TANK ADDITIVE - USAGE INSTRUCTIONS All Black Bottle product usage instructions are the same as the equivalent Gold Range product usage instructions. Use From Beginning Of Grow To The End Of Flower. Is Your Root Zone Fully Optimised – It could be with Blue Range ZONE! Is Your Growth Restricted By Sub-Optimal Roots? Help Your Plants Take Up To 100% Of The Nutrients You Feed Them! Blue Range ZONE Works With All Synthetic Nutrients & Additives, In All Systems And All Mediums! We all know that fast growing plants have a big demand for food and water but were you aware of the fact that if your root zone system is not fully optimized, then your plants might be missing out on the ability to uptake all that they need? Trusted around the world by countless growers, Blue Range ZONE ensures that your root system and environment are optimized to help your plants take up to 100% of what they need - all of the time! Forget the enzymes and forget the beneficial bacteria. Corey has specifically formulated this recipe to be almost identical to Gold Range ZONE for use as a full time maintenance program and is your frontline tool of choice for the ultimate root zone environment! For use with most growing media and its high performance action performs equally well in any grow system – truly universal! Try it today and see just how important your Optimised Root Zone is when looking for that bumper crop! USAGE INSTRUCTIONS: To use, simply follow these easy guidelines! LIGHT STRENGTH: Use from the day you plant, to the day you harvest! Recommended for continual use throughout the grow and flower when water temperature is below 21C / 70F. Add Blue Range ZONE at the rate of 5 ml / 1 teaspoon per 20 litres / 5 gallons of final tank level or volume, with all other additives and before adding your primary nutrient. Check and adjust final nutrient strength using a TDS (PPM or EC) meter. Adjust pH to approximately 5.5 for Rockwool, Perlite, Clay, Vermiculite, Aeroponics, DWC, NFT, Hydro or Coco users or 5.9 for dirt or soilless systems such as Promix or Sunshine mix. Feed according to your systems normal requirements. MEDIUM STRENGTH: Use when water temperature reaches or exceeds 23C / 74F. Your root zone can quickly get out of balance when your water temperature reaches or exceeds this mark. Using Blue Range ZONE at this strength, before problems occur, will optimize your root zone's condition until your water temperature falls back into the safe area below 21C / 70F. Add Blue Range ZONE at the rate of 9 ml / 2 teaspoons per 20 litres / 5 gallons of final tank level or volume, with all other additives and before adding your primary nutrient. Check and adjust final nutrient strength using a TDS (PPM or EC) meter. Adjust pH to approximately 5.5 for Rockwool, Perlite, Clay, Vermiculite, Aeroponics, DWC, NFT, Hydro or Coco users or 5.9 for dirt or soilless systems such as Promix or Sunshine mix. Feed according to your systems normal requirements. AGGRESSIVE STRENGTH: Use this strength at first signs of a ‘less than optimal’ root zone. Using Blue Range ZONE at this strength is very effective at quickly re-establishing optimal root zone conditions. Once your plants have regained their vigor, return to using medium strength Blue Range ZONE for the remainder of your grow and / or flower cycles. Add Blue Range ZONE at the rate of 12 ml / 2 ½ teaspoons per 20 litres / 5 gallons of final tank level or volume, with all other additives and before adding your primary nutrient. Check and adjust final nutrient strength using a TDS (PPM or EC) meter. Adjust pH to approximately 5.5 for Rockwool, Perlite, Clay, Vermiculite, Aeroponics, DWC, NFT, Hydro or Coco users or 5.9 for dirt or soilless systems such as Promix or Sunshine mix. See Growers Tips for more info. Feed according to your systems normal requirements.

Thanks to Corey at Blue Planet Nutrients for helping us with this VERY affordable, and easy-to-make alternative root zone conditioner to keep our sterile systems running at optimal levels.

So as you all can tell, I got in everything needed today, and will be mixing some of this up to place in Neonatal, Maternity Ward, K-8, and Cardboard Flower Box tanks. Using this throughout all reservoirs, hopefully will alleviate the need to constantly add H202 into the reservoirs every three days to keep growth in my systems to a minimum.

Everything came from Shmam-shmazon dot com, and cost less than going to buy Dutch Masters RootZone at the store. Please allow me to clarify. I did pay shipping, and I did pay full asking price for each ingredient received, and STILL did not pay as much as I would have for a quart of the name-brand stuff.

Items Ordered 1 of: 1 lb Potassium Nitrate 99+% Purity Saltpeter Highly Refined Purity ***MSDS*** Condition: New Sold by: Biodiesel Supply Store & Chemicals Price: $8.25 Shipping & Handling: $3.49 ----- Total Before Tax: $11.74 Sales Tax: $0.00 ----- Total for This Shipment: $11.74 Items Ordered 1 of: Copper Sulfate Pentahydrate - 25.2% Cu - 1 Pound - Easy to Dissolve - Powder ***MSDS*** Condition: New Sold by: Alpha Chemicals Price: $5.50 Item(s) Subtotal: $5.50 Shipping & Handling: $4.49 ----- Total Before Tax: $9.99 Sales Tax: $0.00 ----- Total for This Shipment: $9.99 Total Cost of Materials: $21.73

So, there should be a new vigor, and life to me as things in the grow are looking up, and I should be able to really concentrate on plant structure.

One thing that will have to happen, is that I need to RECLONE all my mothers, and start fresh. Their shape has suffered due to repeated infections from fungus, to bacterial growth in the reservoirs. With the recipe in place, hopefully things will be more manageable.

To all: peace, and, good-night.


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Hehe, one Gallon of Blue Range ZONE, made at home:



Cost to make: 72.53 cents.