Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

im going to throw my chips on magnetic.
i saw a chart somwhere comparing the relative efficiencies of the 3 types and i saw very little to write home about.

however magnetic win hands down for long term stability...for those of you with business minds read superb depreciation ratio.

the more modern ballasts have been reported to shorten bulb life because of the insanely high hz they use causing resonance in the tube.

and finally, magnetic ballasts are compatible with ceramics, which appear superior to hps,mh,flouro and cfls and even have UV in there, no other bulb offers such a comprehensive light spectrum either...


i say magnetics and CMH bulbs ftw!


oh and guys...as to hydro organics...perhaps you may want to keep an eye on my new journal to see if my method sparks any ideas or even works as we want right off the bat.

from what i can see, the way mine uses the water res is couterintuitive to hydro growers..we shall soon see if its so wrong that its right =D
 
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GiGaBaNE said:
im going to throw my chips on magnetic.
i saw a chart somwhere comparing the relative efficiencies of the 3 types and i saw very little to write home about.

however magnetic win hands down for long term stability...for those of you with business minds read superb depreciation ratio.

the more modern ballasts have been reported to shorten bulb life because of the insanely high hz they use causing resonance in the tube.

and finally, magnetic ballasts are compatible with ceramics, which appear superior to hps,mh,flouro and cfls and even have UV in there, no other bulb offers such a comprehensive light spectrum either...


i say magnetics and CMH bulbs ftw!


oh and guys...as to hydro organics...perhaps you may want to keep an eye on my new journal to see if my method sparks any ideas or even works as we want right off the bat.

from what i can see, the way mine uses the water res is couterintuitive to hydro growers..we shall soon see if its so wrong that its right =D
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As I understand it Hortilux, the company I've always heard associated with the hertz thing, has adjusted to accomodate for the different hertz. Not 100% sure about all others but I believe this is an issue of the past now.

As with everything there are trade-offs. Magnetics are less efficient but more serviceable and affordable. Digitals now offer some nice features like "dial a watt" and good ones have logic programmed in to protect bulbs through softer controlled starts, etc. Best of all they run either HPS or MH without blinking an eye, they are light weight and run fairly cool. In fairness, I've never run magnetic, but I see no reason to switch either, personally. They can all grow nice plants!

I have to agree with BID. Even though I've never used their product, JDL lighting has really been a stellar sponsor here in terms of support and suporting the community from what I've seen following other journals, etc.
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Hello... Had a drive crash. Running minimal components on a backup drive. Can't run any editing software this drive is so small, so no updates until RMA on primary drive is complete. Estimate: 2 weeks max.

sorry.
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

ahhh crap that sucks its a bad time of year to be doing rma's but your inbetween so hopefully it will be speedy
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

jandre2k3 said:
Yeah, I paid for 2-day delivery, and they said it would take between 5 and 7 days. WUT?!
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:circle-of-love::smokin::cheesygrinsmiley::rofl::helpsmilie::Rasta: Makes sense to me!:high-five:
 
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JuicySoil said:
Hey Jandre.
No worries my man, its all good in the hood ;)

Thank you for you thorough answer. It's pretty much the same experience I have of the magnetic's. Although I cant fix them myself anyways..
It's just, with the digital's you see no flickering when taking photo's, that got me interestet. It's something about hertz, digitals throw out a constant light,due to faster pulses, more hertz..
But maybe the difference is so small its just a matter of keeping your lights on 12 hours and 5 minutes to remedy the lost light due to flickering..
Many mixed opinions out there regarding magnetic vs. digital, but I think I'm gonna give it a go with the digi'z though..
But thanks for your answer Jandre :Namaste:
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I would like to chime in here. I see theres been alot of good info going on about ballast and services. I use a magnetic ballast, its a newer version as I know older ones make alot of noise and plus as you say the flickering while taking pictures. As for saftey on the other hand as Bigirishdoode was saying he was having problems with digi. From my understanding theres pros and cons to each. I never worked with a digi before but from my readings and weighting others opinions ive heard and once seen on the news worse problems happing with digi ballast. One of which is burning down houses. Which will be the over heating which leads to heat issues and worse. The new magnetic ballast i have is much smoother on the noise its actually quite you cant here it at all unless your close up on it. And it works with MH/MPS all I have to do is hit a switch. I guess most go with digi because of the dim feature. So in my opinion I would chose noise and flickering of cameras vs possible house burning down which i seen on the news not to long ago some guy was using a 1000w lamp with digi ballast.

As for customer service i never had to deal with any because i never had an issue on the matter. So pretty much i agree with Jandre:thumb:
 
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GiGaBaNE said:
:rofl:

If you wanna roll with the big boys, your gonna take a few knocks =p

we all make mistakes, just really believe in what you say before you say it...its all anyone can ask ;)
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Yea I had to later change that because Ive read the rest of page 15 after writing my post lol. I have a thing with reading bottom to top. So I had to change the ending of that since I pretty much said the same as Jandre. lol

But yea I stand by the magnetic ballast and Stand by what i posted. I was a fresh new member when he chewed my ass out and it was right after I made a good point about coco coir and he gave me reps then chewed me a new ass hole aint that some shit lmao!!!:laughtwo:
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

not to poop on the subject but if you dont like the pictures when the lights on.
:love:turn it off:)
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

too me know you
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

I'm just gonna go out and say it... My Mag Ballast was built in 1992... flickers like hell when I'm taking pictures... then I hit the FLICKER REDUCTION BUTTON, and it goes as smooth as a baby's bottom. Then I hit the WHITE BALANCE button, and the yellow cast of CFL goes away, too. Thanks for that camera!!

And though it's a 20 year old ballast, it doesn't hum, buzz, nor even click when it comes on. I hear a tiny "flzzzz" at power on for 3 seconds... Nothing more.
 
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GiGaBaNE said:
man that sucks ass =((

wish i was closer i could just throw a few drives at you...im gigabane for a reason ;)

think i may even still have a pre milenium scuzzie block lying around somewhere...but its purely for self defence :rofl:
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hehehe, I have a multitude of HD's as well, but only one IDE header. All the others are SATA. I do have a PCI SCSI add-in card, and I'm using that with a hot swap drawer, with a 324Gb SCSI drive in it, and a 200Gb on the IDE slot with the BluRay burner. Why the hell do SCSI drives come in such weird sizes?
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

i wanna mention on the mag vs digi topic that the issues i had were 100% MY FAULTY AND FAULTY POWER STRIP! it was about 15 yrs old and seemed to be in good working order it was an expensive battery backup ups type since it was providing power to things i just figured it was fine, but after an exhaustive process of elimination it dawned on me to start testing reset switches on power strips i hit the red test button and the power supply went "PFZZZZZT!" poof !!and a puff of smoke erupted from it yet the little night light i had in it for testing flickered yet remained lit!!! i put a meter on it and it was pulling 6 amps with nothing plugged in!! i replaced it matter of fact i replaced all my strips and since that day i have had zero issues with any of the 3 digi ballast's i own, admittedly there were some problems with first gen tech on the digi's but were well past that now, idk what generation mine are, but i have not noticed any heat excess with them hell my dish network box puts out a ton of heat by comparison , so i think that fearing these ballast's for that reason is in error at this point, concerns over house fires should be on anyone's mind that runs any form of hid and related equipment, we have water,high heat lamps and electricity all in close proximity, imho that's the main thing to bear in mind,
as far as whats a better way to go its really a matter of preference, finances, and desired features, the fact that i can dim the lights for less light at different stages of plant life,and its less cost to run, the soft start of the jdl and slow change when you change the power setting rather than the abrupt drop or rise noticed with other digis is evidence enough for me that that feature makes things easier on the bulb, when the power fails the ballast re-strikes only after a 10-15 min cool down to allow the bulb to stabilize before reigniting i think the tech in the jdl is quite superior to other digis and magnetics another thing they went in detail with me is how their microprocessor dispenses power the htz delivery is done in such a way as to INCREASE bulb life and better maintain brightness (less decrease over time) when run at the 100% setting thus keeping the bulb in better shape over time, my light meter shows no drop after over 6 months of 12 hrs a day use, to me the "proof is in the use" my exp has been 100% positive with jdl, as far as the i power ballast i have not used it nearly as much but it also runs very cool and stable but lacks the "turbo" setting and soft starting , thus my main focus for this is the 2 jdl's i have,
would i use a magnetic ballast? sure if the price was right and it was a proven brand, but in all honesty i would prefer a jdl digi over about anything i have seen they have the look & feel of very high end stereo equipment the craftsmanship is evident in every detail nothing about them even hints at cheap or cut corners, top notch stuff!, all this is of course my personal opinion and experience in no way am i putting down anyone or anything they like, im sure there are magnificant magnetic ballasts that i would also find a pleasure to use, that said im just sharing my thoughts with my 420 family you know i love you all like a fat kid loves cake!! and yes im a lil medicated tonight:thumb::circle-of-love:
 

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