Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2

[jandre2k3]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

One of the jandre Kush weedlings I had that I popped on 8/5/2012 just for shits and giggles and put into flower on the 8^th this month, exposed himself to my ladies. Lewd and lascivious behavior will not be tolerated in this phase. I have enough F1 seeds to do a full sci run and then another half, so... He was punished... Harshly. He'll not do that, or anything else, again. The penalty for a male exposing himself in the presence of ladies, unless it is under the watchful eye of a mad scientist, cross breeder, is death by uprooting and dehydration. It's kinda hard for compost to create pollen.

The other let her hair down last night, and I proudly topped her at the third node(first was kinda wimpy). What? I didn't kill her... I made her really show me what she's got. Allowed her to strut her stuff, and fill out some... You can't tell me you wouldn't have done the same.

 

[Vick074]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

The penalty for a male exposing himself in the presence of ladies, unless it is under the watchful eye of a mad scientist, cross breeder, is death by uprooting and dehydration. It's kinda hard for compost to create pollen.

Love it..
Ruling your grow with an iron fist.
Your ladies are going to be brought up proper like.

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

damn nasty boys always so eager to show off their stuff its appalling behavior i tell you un less the "red light" is on NO BOYS ALLOWED!!!!!
yeah i can only do a bucket at this time of year and thats with concrete floors and we keep the house like a meat locker most nights, we both prefer a cold room warm bed combo rather than a hot room i hate sweating all night

 

[jandre2k3]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Love it..
Ruling your grow with an iron fist.
Your ladies are going to be brought up proper like.

Oh don't get me wrong. I let them have their fun, if it suits me. If not... It's a most grueling death.

damn nasty boys always so eager to show off their stuff its appalling behavior i tell you un less the "red light" is on NO BOYS ALLOWED!!!!!
yeah i can only do a bucket at this time of year and thats with concrete floors and we keep the house like a meat locker most nights, we both prefer a cold room warm bed combo rather than a hot room i hate sweating all night

Oh man... Hot room when I'm a sleep means sweaty sheets. I hate sweaty sheets.

 

[OldMedMan]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Yeah, and can you believe those pics come from a camera that someone GAVE ME? Really dear friend of mine wasn't using it, and said it was just sitting in a drawer. SHoooooot, it's mine now, and it ain't gonna sit idle anymore.

Hey, thanks for the rep!

Yeah, migraines... If someone has never had them or seen the devastating effects they can have, there is no way possible to think some headache is all that bad. I've actually had people tell me, "It's just a little headache, take some Advil and get back to work." So I did, and they ended up cleaning up my vo--- um.... mess as I was stumbling out the door to my car, praying I could see straight enough to get me home safely.



Hmmm... wisdom...

To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research.




No?




Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film.



No? Well, I tried...

That's great about the Camera...your friend put it in very capable hands.

Just a little headache! Right! Don't know how you can think at all when you have one.

I thought those were two good wisdoms.

 

[jandre2k3]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Zup Jandre

I know you are such a great source of information

And since I am speculating in switching my magnetic ballast's too electronic\digital, I would like to hear your take on it.
What do you prefer? And what would you advise, are they worth the extra expense?

Hey, JuicySoil! I'm so sorry! I don't know how I missed this one. Please know that I did not respond out of spite, it was simply that I missed it somehow.

I intend to remedy that right now.

I've always used a magnetic ballast in all of my grows. I've seen some of the troubles people have with the digital ballasts, and I could write a book on my bad and good experiences with magnetic ballasts. Unfortunately I have had no personal experience with a digital ballast to make a good comparison of the two, and give an effective pro vs. con of them. I will attempt to do so, though.

That in mind, I'm afraid that I will be no help in your decision to either switch, or stay with magnetic. All I can say is that Magnetic just works, and does not rely on a sensor to read current correctly in order to work. There is no brain to fail, sensor to blow out, PC tracing to melt, or crack because of varying temperatures. They have four parts within the case: Igniter, Capacitor, Coil Core, and Wiring Harness. All of those parts are CONSUMER SERVICEABLE. This alone is enough for me to keep with a magnetic ballast. If mine blows a part, I simply solder a new one in instead of having to replace the whole ballast, or RMA a blown digital ballast and pay shipping to return it to the company(charged by weight) if the company will not send you a shipping label. They are seemingly a lot less effective in delivering the exact amount of current necessary. Also the element of "Fighting Current" present in a magnetic ballast is wasteful of electricity, evident in the amount of heat produced from their core.

A digital ballast is not the same as an electronic ballast. A digital ballast, while a capacitor and coil core is present, they also employ the use of sensors and a microprocessor to precisely control the current and voltage, and are mounted onto a PC board with fragile tracing to carry current information to their various parts. They seem to me to be a lot more energy efficient in the way they work, given the fact that they employ a microprocessor to deliver the exact amount of current necessary to provide the optimal amount of light possible so there is less wasted energy. However, the fact that both heat up is evidence that there is a lot of totally wasted energy, so the advantage of one over the other as far as efficiency, is the subject of much debate.

That in mind, though, I cannot open up a digital ballast, and simply see what has blown, and replace it. I cannot simply go down to Radio *Shanty* and purchase the correct part and replace it. It must be refurbished at the factory, and shipped back, causing a much longer delay in getting the proper lighting back into my grow space. This also is enough to keep me from switching to digital. Granted, I am more electronically inclined that most, and have the proper equipment to track down a bad part, but what then? If it's the processor, or a sensor, odds are that I can't just replace it. Now, having opened the case, I've voided my warranty and will have to buy a completely new ballast, while (hopefully) I contact the company and purchase the correct replacement part to make the broken, and voided ballast work again.

 

[s1ingblade]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

High jandre2k3 just wanted to say THANKS for all the time you put into your thread. YOUR a GR8T source of info. I'm Subscribed fo SHOW!

 

[fish cake]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

agreed Jandre is a growin GAWD and he knows stuff too!

 

[s1ingblade]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

I gotta a newbie question for yall: what's +reps?

 

[fish cake]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

I gotta a newbie question for yall: what's +reps?

see the little star at the bottom of the post just to the right of blog this post.
when you click on that you can show your admiration for the person that may have helped you or give kudos to the grower

 

[JuicySoil]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Hey, JuicySoil! I'm so sorry! I don't know how I missed this one. Please know that I did not respond out of spite, it was simply that I missed it somehow.

I intend to remedy that right now.

I've always used a magnetic ballast in all of my grows. I've seen some of the troubles people have with the digital ballasts, and I could write a book on my bad and good experiences with magnetic ballasts. Unfortunately I have had no personal experience with a digital ballast to make a good comparison of the two, and give an effective pro vs. con of them. I will attempt to do so, though.

That in mind, I'm afraid that I will be no help in your decision to either switch, or stay with magnetic. All I can say is that Magnetic just works, and does not rely on a sensor to read current correctly in order to work. There is no brain to fail, sensor to blow out, PC tracing to melt, or crack because of varying temperatures. They have four parts within the case: Igniter, Capacitor, Coil Core, and Wiring Harness. All of those parts are CONSUMER SERVICEABLE. This alone is enough for me to keep with a magnetic ballast. If mine blows a part, I simply solder a new one in instead of having to replace the whole ballast, or RMA a blown digital ballast and pay shipping to return it to the company(charged by weight) if the company will not send you a shipping label. They are seemingly a lot less effective in delivering the exact amount of current necessary. Also the element of "Fighting Current" present in a magnetic ballast is wasteful of electricity, evident in the amount of heat produced from their core.

A digital ballast is not the same as an electronic ballast. A digital ballast, while a capacitor and coil core is present, they also employ the use of sensors and a microprocessor to precisely control the current and voltage, and are mounted onto a PC board with fragile tracing to carry current information to their various parts. They seem to me to be a lot more energy efficient in the way they work, given the fact that they employ a microprocessor to deliver the exact amount of current necessary to provide the optimal amount of light possible so there is less wasted energy. However, the fact that both heat up is evidence that there is a lot of totally wasted energy, so the advantage of one over the other as far as efficiency, is the subject of much debate.

That in mind, though, I cannot open up a digital ballast, and simply see what has blown, and replace it. I cannot simply go down to Radio *Shanty* and purchase the correct part and replace it. It must be refurbished at the factory, and shipped back, causing a much longer delay in getting the proper lighting back into my grow space. This also is enough to keep me from switching to digital. Granted, I am more electronically inclined that most, and have the proper equipment to track down a bad part, but what then? If it's the processor, or a sensor, odds are that I can't just replace it. Now, having opened the case, I've voided my warranty and will have to buy a completely new ballast, while (hopefully) I contact the company and purchase the correct replacement part to make the broken, and voided ballast work again.

Hey Jandre.
No worries my man, its all good in the hood

Thank you for you thorough answer. It's pretty much the same experience I have of the magnetic's. Although I cant fix them myself anyways..
It's just, with the digital's you see no flickering when taking photo's, that got me interestet. It's something about hertz, digitals throw out a constant light,due to faster pulses, more hertz..
But maybe the difference is so small its just a matter of keeping your lights on 12 hours and 5 minutes to remedy the lost light due to flickering..
Many mixed opinions out there regarding magnetic vs. digital, but I think I'm gonna give it a go with the digi'z though..
But thanks for your answer Jandre

 

[s1ingblade]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Thanks, a lot so I'll try it out +Reps to you for the help

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

i wanna chime in, i have never owned a magnetic ballast for hid lights so i can offer some input on digital i own 3 1 i-power 400, and 2 jd lightings 600watt, in the beginning i had some problems turned out to not be the fault of the ballast's it was my bad power strip that blew ballast after ballast, the rma with both companies was a breeze they paid shipping both ways and in the case of jdl they sent me new before getting back old,!! yeah i love those guys they will be my light guys for sure, i-power is very good too just not as high end and prices reflect that, now that i have figured out the problem i have had months of trouble free service from both, while enduring monsoon power outages a plenty and various other sub par conditions these little doodes are awesome in my book, the jdl puts out very little if any heat the features like dimmable and turbo settings are very cool i can run about any bulb i want within reason, i ran a 400mh in my jdl on the 75% setting for 2 weeks while waiting for a new bulb to be shipped with no problem, jason at jdl told me about being able to do this and warned me not to go above the 75% mark, but in my experience i would choose the new digi just for the features and flexibility, the current generation tech has put the concerns i had to bed and dealing with a company like jdl is alot like dealing with bpn, a hastle free no brainer (imho)

 

[jandre2k3]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

i wanna chime in, i have never owned a magnetic ballast for hid lights so i can offer some input on digital i own 3 1 i-power 400, and 2 jd lightings 600watt, in the beginning i had some problems turned out to not be the fault of the ballast's it was my bad power strip that blew ballast after ballast, the rma with both companies was a breeze they paid shipping both ways and in the case of jdl they sent me new before getting back old,!! yeah i love those guys they will be my light guys for sure, i-power is very good too just not as high end and prices reflect that, now that i have figured out the problem i have had months of trouble free service from both, while enduring monsoon power outages a plenty and various other sub par conditions these little doodes are awesome in my book, the jdl puts out very little if any heat the features like dimmable and turbo settings are very cool i can run about any bulb i want within reason, i ran a 400mh in my jdl on the 75% setting for 2 weeks while waiting for a new bulb to be shipped with no problem, jason at jdl told me about being able to do this and warned me not to go above the 75% mark, but in my experience i would choose the new digi just for the features and flexibility, the current generation tech has put the concerns i had to bed and dealing with a company like jdl is alot like dealing with bpn, a hastle free no brainer (imho)

Would you **REALLY** compare JD Lightings to Blue Planet Nutrients when thinking of customer service? Think long and hard before answering that and think of the stellar customer service that Corey provides all over this forum. In my mind, he is Second to none in that department, and all others are light years behind him. If you answer in the affirmative, that is basically placing a gold star by their name for customer service, and I just want to be sure they really deserve it.

Corey has gone above and beyond in several cases, I've seen, and even has gone so far as to break down a recipe or two for us to create our own home made solutions to help in grows... Has JD Lightings done something comparable, in their own arena?

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

well nobody compare to corey, but they did go way above and beyond for me all on their dime, they sat on the phone with me for hours sent me 2 free ballasts at one time trying to make sure my plants did not go without, im not comparing just telling who are stand out above all the rest, jdl did go way above any other co. i have ever dealt with going out on a limb of trust that i would return the ballasts i had (3 at one time thats like 600+ bux ) not a penny from me at that point, from a financial point of view yes they really went out there for me, so a gold star from me most defiantly, when it came time to pay they let me do so at my leisure how i chose and gave me an obscenely good value i have promised not to reveal publicly, they have even called me just to see if i was still happy and if things were going good, i can honestly say that jdl deserves it from me, i highly recommend them based on my exp, a quote from idk "i have but one light that leads my way ,that being the light of experience"

oh and yes they have gone into great detail at length in my journal to break down how things work in their ballasts, and explained lots of technical things to give a better understanding of this tech, are they deconstructing other ballasts and teaching us to build them, well no but thats a bit much i think lol, givin the very different nature of ballasts vs nutrients i think it would be difficult for jdl to teach us to do some thing like corey has, maybe im wrong on that, but i do think of 2 companys in our sponsor list that really try hard to make us happy 1.bpn 2.jdl, thats my honest opinion

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

i rarely endorse products but there are a few, and when i finally do feel that strongly about a product, its not just because they make a good product, it has to include customer service, business practice etc. Corey is like family to me we have spent countless hours on the phone, skype,email,messenger ,texting i love him like a brother, i couldn't use any other brand even if i ever found a better product (not likely in this lifetime) i would feel like i was betraying a bro, just wanted to make that clear

 

[jandre2k3]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

well nobody compare to corey, but they did go way above and beyond for me all on their dime, they sat on the phone with me for hours sent me 2 free ballasts at one time trying to make sure my plants did not go without, im not comparing just telling who are stand out above all the rest, jdl did go way above any other co. i have ever dealt with going out on a limb of trust that i would return the ballasts i had (3 at one time thats like 600+ bux ) not a penny from me at that point, from a financial point of view yes they really went out there for me, so a gold star from me most defiantly, when it came time to pay they let me do so at my leisure how i chose and gave me an obscenely good value i have promised not to reveal publicly, they have even called me just to see if i was still happy and if things were going good, i can honestly say that jdl deserves it from me, i highly recommend them based on my exp, a quote from idk "i have but one light that leads my way ,that being the light of experience"

oh and yes they have gone into great detail at length in my journal to break down how things work in their ballasts, and explained lots of technical things to give a better understanding of this tech, are they deconstructing other ballasts and teaching us to build them, well no but thats a bit much i think lol, givin the very different nature of ballasts vs nutrients i think it would be difficult for jdl to teach us to do some thing like corey has, maybe im wrong on that, but i do think of 2 companys in our sponsor list that really try hard to make us happy 1.bpn 2.jdl, thats my honest opinion

i rarely endorse products but there are a few, and when i finally do feel that strongly about a product, its not just because they make a good product, it has to include customer service, business practice etc. Corey is like family to me we have spent countless hours on the phone, skype,email,messenger ,texting i love him like a brother, i couldn't use any other brand even if i ever found a better product (not likely in this lifetime) i would feel like i was betraying a bro, just wanted to make that clear

Heheh, Your stamp of approval, in my eyes does not come easily. I think you're like me in a lot of ways when thinking about companies, and words like those do not come easily. . . .From either of us.

LOL! I didn't think they had deconstructed a ballast and taught how to make them; That'd be a bit much, I think. But the fact that you feel you are safe in their hands with your lighting, knowing the hell you went through in the first months I knew you, says it all. Your word is golden in my opinion, and if you say you feel safe in their care, then it is as good as "gospel".

If it ever comes time for me to make the leap, I will definitely be calling on them.

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

your so very right.im a scrutinizing bastard i have stupily expensive taste, i cant buy head phones i have to have the audiotechnica flat frequency studio standard cans at 130$ a pop i cant stand cheap crap, now if thats all i can afford at the time i'll make due, but im working on the good stuff all the while

 

[NorCaliwood]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Driving thru. Buds are starting to show their stuff Jandre. I guess I'm on the other side the coin as far as ballasts and such. Like I said before Jandre hard to teach old dogs new tricks. But I use magnetic ballasts as my primaries. Hell I got 2 1000 Sun System ballasts I been running hard for better than 10 years I know of for sure. Never replaced anything like a igniter or anything. But the damn things weigh a ton. But they been faithful and thats hard to knock. These ballasts been cross country afew times. I do like the digital I got with my upgraded light. I plan on getting 2 of tho

 

[NorCaliwood]

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

opps those 1500's. My bad I'm all thumbs tonite. Hey anyways. Keepem Green