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[ItsNatural]

UPDATE
69 Days From Seed.....26 Days In Flower
Current temp 81F
Current RH 49

I mixed up my nutes yesterday. And while I think I should have just gave them plain water with maybe some Hi-Brix and calmag, I went ahead and made them actual nutes. I think the LS might be trying to pull out of its def. and I dont want to deprive any of the girls from what they may need right now. Once again it goes back to the organic side of things that keep me confused. I know If I was using synthetics right now, I would be on a feed, water, feed schedule to keep the salts from building up and what not. But with organics, the soil is alive. And I dont want to starve or flush out the microbes. So far this will be 4 feeds in a row I believe. Mix went like this

1tsp GROW
2 1/2tsp BLOOM
1/2tsp BIG BLOOMIN GUANO
1/4tsp META-K
1tsp CATALYST
1tsp HI-BRIX
1/2tsp CALMAG

Here are the pictures from yesterday I promised. These are just pictures of the undercarriage.

I am about to go and feed them the mix. I will take some more pics while Im out there. Till then

By the way, you can see by those first pictures that I am about 3 inches too high with my net. Next grow I will lower. (If I do a scrog. I still got another 4 weeks left but Im a little worried right now that my yield isnt going to be very good. )

 

[ItsNatural]

Whats up whats up whats up....I fed the girls today. I also defo a little more. And I release parts of the MMs and re positioned them a little the best I could to give them a little more space. Here are some pictures.

Money Makers after I moved them the branches a little

well thats it. Any advise? Im down to hear it.

 

[ItsNatural]

well I went out there this morning and was startled at how much yellow there was on my Lemon Skunks. And I only gave it a tsp of grow. But I gave them 2 tsp last Wed so 3tsp this week. Maybe they are just really N hungry, Or maybe its a nute lockout. I will feed again Weds. And I will give them 3 tsp of grow. But I will still only give the money makers 1. Maybe 1 and a half tsp. But the damn LS are going to get 3. The buds themselves look fine. But all the leafs are turning yellow and dying. SO FREAKING AGGRAVATING.
As for the Money Makers, they are looking fine. Seem to be pretty healthy. I did what I believe to be my last round of Defo today also. I know I should have done all this weeks ago. I hope it doesnt stunt them to bad. I also took some of the yellow leafs from the LS.

I fear that I will be lucky to even get a oz per plant from this grow. I could be wrong. But it just doesnt look good for the home team. I still have 4 weeks or so left and maybe the LS will make it to the end, and maybe all the buds will fatten up and surprise me. But as of now. I fear the LS might not make it to the end, and the overall yield of this grow being low. I just gotta chalk it up to inexperience, and be happy I have anything.
I will mix my nutes tomorrow and do an update then with some pictures. Till then

 

[ItsNatural]

Yesterday pictures of the Problem I cant shake with my Lemon Skunks. AHHHHHHH!!!!! Anyway lol. I will do a full update in a bit after I go out and feed the girls.

 

[ItsNatural]

UPDATE
72 Days From Seed.....29 Days In Flower
Current temp 77F
Current RH 59

I fed the ladies again today with a mix I made yesterday.

LEMON SKUNKS ................................................... MONEY MAKERS
3tsp GROW ............................................................. 1 1/2tsp GROW
1tsp CALMAG ............................................................. 1/2tsp CALMAG
2 1/2tsp BLOOM.......................................................... 2 1/2tsp BLOOM
1tsp BIG BLOOMIN GUANO............................................. 1tsp BIG BLOOMIN GUANO
1tsp CATALYST ............................................................ 1tsp CATALYST
1/2tsp MICROBLAST ................................................... ....1/2tsp MICROBLAST
1/4tsp META-K............................................................... 1/4tsp META-K

I gave them all just under a Gallon a piece. (Left enough room to shake up mix). After feeding 4 Gallons I siphoned 1/4th gallon total from all 4 plants of run off. I plan to water with just plain water and some Hi-Brix Friday. Not alot, just about a half gallon a piece. And that way Im getting a plain watering in somewhere. And as thirsty as they seem today after 3 days. I think I could water them in 2 with less water. Then Feed again Sunday. Anyway thinking out loud I guess. Here are some pictures.

Well thats about it.

 

[AllSmiles]

Just a little late but here for the finish! Nice srog! Gonna do some catching up now.

 

[ItsNatural]

No problem, get caught up and let me know what ya think. Especially about this problem I am having with my Lemon Skunks. I still got another 4 or 5 weeks left so pull up a seat and have some and some and enjoy the finish. As said previously in this Journal, Feel free to give any advise or opinions you may have. Im sure we all would like to hear them.

 

[howsjosh]

Do you think maybe earlier when you thought the plants had nitrogen toxicity that maybe they were just over watered and that's why they were droopy and maybe you have been kind of deficient since then because you toned down on nitrogen... My buddy uses earth juice and puts in like double what you have been doing and he just has like 1 leaf with a little nute burned tips... I don't know just a thought...

 

[ItsNatural]

Do you think maybe earlier when you thought the plants had nitrogen toxicity that maybe they were just over watered and that's why they were droopy and maybe you have been kind of deficient since then because you toned down on nitrogen... My buddy uses earth juice and puts in like double what you have been doing and he just has like 1 leaf with a little nute burned tips... I don't know just a thought...

I think its very possible. Maybe not the over water part, But I had let them sit in runoff as of a small experiment, Not much happened right then but later I got burnt tips. I had planned on gradually increasing but when I got that I backed off. Now I dont know what the heck Im doing. How much does your friend use in veg and in flower? Also what size pot? Should I go way up next feed? Thanks for the imput by the way. This is killing me. I hate that I havent fixed it yet.

 

[AllSmiles]

Just got caught up. I'm not familiar with your nutrient line up so can't comment too much on dosages. To me it looks like a cal/mag deficiency and possibly potassium. Your feeding seems to be quite low at the start of flower cycle and you have gradually increased it which is good. I use a tsp of cal/mag on every feeding with my girls but I'm using RO water. It also seems a bit late to be using grow nutrients. I would cut off the grow nutes and maybe up your cal/mag and bloom nute by a 1/4 tsp (not the bloom boosters) on the LS and see how they react. I think your doing great though. The buds seem to be developing nicely even with the issue so I would just continue making minor adjustments. Nothing drastic and I think you'll be fine.

As for the low ph I see that with my line up too. I use RO water and the ph will drop below 4. I use to freak out about it but learned to trust that the soil will take care of itself and it does. I don't even bother checking these days since I'm now familiar with the lineup. AS for your goal of 1.5 to 2 zips per plant I'm betting you are going to surpass that number. Bud formation looks fantastic! Keep up the great work.

 

[howsjosh]

He is using either a 5 or 7 gallon it's his first grow and he hasn't got to flowering yet that happens either this weekend or the weekend after... I think he uses 2tbls of grow and 1tbls of bloom... I'll check with him after work to make sure and I'll post all of what he is feeding for veg maybe I'll take some pics too so you can see how his plants react to the nutes

 

[AllSmiles]

I think its very possible. Maybe not the over water part, But I had let them sit in runoff as of a small experiment, Not much happened right then but later I got burnt tips. I had planned on gradually increasing but when I got that I backed off. Now I dont know what the heck Im doing. How much does your friend use in veg and in flower? Also what size pot? Should I go way up next feed? Thanks for the imput by the way. This is killing me. I hate that I havent fixed it yet.

I've been using 3 gallons for a few grows and found that 1/2 gallon per 3 gallon pot has been just right. I'll poor a cup in the tray for it to suck up from the bottom and poor the rest slowly on top. I found there is very little run off if any and what does run off gets soaked up immediately.

 

[db003]

holy scrog that's great I love that the whole scrog is full not to long now before a great harvest

 

[howsjosh]

2 tbls grow 1tbls bloom 2 tsp micro 2 tsp cal mag 2 1/2 catalyst 1 tsp meta k is his veg formula he will also have a transition formula and a flowering formula but he doesn't quite know what that will be yet... That's his plant... It's kinda dry he is gonna feed it tonight... And that's the little bit of nute burn I think but it's just on 1 leaf...

 

[howsjosh]

Oh and he is under hps I don't know how much of a difference that makes

 

[FeralA9X]

Subbed in
Looking really good in that scrog net cant wait to see Money Maker finish off, its my current smoke and im loving it

 

[ItsNatural]

WOW, Thank you all for your advise and company. Believe it or not it means alot to me that you all are here in my GJ Riding this out with me. I dont talk to people outside this site about my grow. I learned a long time ago when I showed a buddy a plant I had in my garden. It was such a lovely plant. Still had a couple weeks left but full of trichomes. He wanted me to give him a bud and I told him I would give him a whole bag after it finished but it wasnt ready. This went on for a few mins and he gave up. A few days later the plant was gone. I soon learned he was the one that took it. So I dont talk to people about my grow. But I do love discussing the topic and all the different methods and opinions. So

FeralA9X Its good to have someone here that has not only sampled, but is currently smoking either of the strains Im growing. How would you describe the effects. Iv read its a couchlock. Very strong. Good for end of the day.


@AllSmiles
When I started, I had planned on going with a feed schedule I found on this site. it was like this

-------------Catalyst--------Micro---------Grow---------Bloom-------Meta K

week1 veg-----5ml----------5ml-----------5ml
week2 veg----10ml----------5ml-----------5ml
week3 veg----10ml----------5ml-----------10ml
week4 veg----10ml----------5ml-----------10ml
week5 flower--10ml----------5ml-----------10ml-----------5ml---------2.5ml
week6 flower--10ml----------5ml-----------10ml---------10ml----------2.5ml
week7 flower--10ml----------5ml-----------10ml---------10ml---------2.5ml
week8 flower--5ml-----------5ml-----------15ml---------15ml---------2.5ml
week9 flower--5ml-----------5ml-----------15ml--------20ml---------2.5ml
week10flwer----------------5ml-----------10ml-------- 25ml---------2.5ml
week11flwr-----------------5ml------------------------20ml
week12 FLUSH

But got derailed when I had that burn. And on one hand, it kinda looks about right. He increases the Grow to 2 tsp which is where I was when I got the burn, And is why I backed off so much. But now Im pretty sure it was the runoff. and then increases to 3tsp about where it really started getting yellow for me. SO it looks right
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND. Almost every other place I see, Like the bottle, 3LB, and people on here, ALL talk in TBSP So I have been majorly confused and conflicted.
As far as using grow this late. When do you stop giving Grow? I too am under the impression that they dont use much N in the flower stage. But I again was going by this, and I think the bottle might say it too.


@howsjosh
Thanks for the info. It seems just about everyone is using tablespoons. Im fighting and clawing it feels like to the finish line. Lol Those LS lose more and more Leafs everyday. On the bright side the buds are ok so far. Although I wonder how much bigger and better they would be if all their leafs werent dying.

 

[ItsNatural]

UPDATE
74 Days From Seed.....31 Days In Flower
Current temp 77F
Current RH 62

I filled my jugs halfway up Wed after feeding with plain water. Put the airstones in them and bubble the water till today. I then added

1tsp HI-BRIX
1/2tsp CALMAG

I usually only water twice a week. Weds and Sun. But I have fed like 5 times in a row without regular water. I was going to give it regular water but thought that Some HI-Brix would be better. A little snack for the Microbes till Sunday.

 

[FeralA9X]

FeralA9X Its good to have someone here that has not only sampled, but is currently smoking either of the strains Im growing. How would you describe the effects. Iv read its a couchlock. Very strong. Good for end of the day.

Exactly as described
I smoke it and i dont want to do anything, a great kushy flavor too which makes me want more, i end up spending hours on 420mag reading and forgetting to reply
I really wish i grabbed a few clones off her before i switched to flower as i would really like to grow more of it, Very easy plant to grow and can handle a pretty hot feeding schedule, flowers swell like crazy too and yield is right up there

 

[HiddenGrow]

WOW caught up and glad to see everything is going at a steady pace. From what i see it looks like N/cal deficiency in the beginning it looked like a P deficiency. I just think you have a high feeding plant on your hands, which is difficult to deal with since you have several strains on your hands. However with the care I see you put into these plants I believe you should be able to remedy it with an increase in the HI-Brix you've been giving it with the cal/mag. I would warn against too much cal/mag since every bottle comes with extra N, They don't use much N when flowering however if you give it any it will gobble it up and you may get a weird looking plant.

This is just my opinion, but just give the LS more bloom the nugs itself have the ability to photosynthesis when the leaves are lost. as long as you keep the buds happy (no burn) you should have good results