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[Mars Hydro]

Hi Natural, Plants look great.

 

[ItsNatural]

Ok, I fed the ladies today with the mix I had made last night. I added 1/4tsp cal mag to both LS. I kinda wish I hadnt but its done. Im thinking maybe its a P def. So either way this mix should fix it. Maybe I should be going stronger with my bloom. Im only using 1 1/2 tsp a Gal. Anyway here are some pics

Money Maker 1 aka/Runt

Money Maker 2

Lemon Skunk 1 aka/Stretch

Lemon Skunk 2

Here is some more pictures of my problem

Random shots

Ok well thats if for now. I hope I can get my problems in order. Till next time.

 

[jaymu86]

Ok, I fed the ladies today with the mix I had made last night. I added 1/4tsp cal mag to both LS. I kinda wish I hadnt but its done. Im thinking maybe its a P def. So either way this mix should fix it. Maybe I should be going stronger with my bloom. Im only using 1 1/2 tsp a Gal. Anyway here are some pics

Money Maker 1 aka/Runt

Money Maker 2

Lemon Skunk 1 aka/Stretch

Lemon Skunk 2

Here is some more pictures of my problem

Random shots

Ok well thats if for now. I hope I can get my problems in order. Till next time.

Did u give grow or bloom I think it might be p but u could always flush too

 

[ItsNatural]

Did u give grow or bloom I think it might be p but u could always flush too

1tsp GROW
1tsp CATALYST
1 1/2tsp BLOOM
1/2tsp BIG BLOOMIN GUANO
1/4tsp META-K
1/2tsp MICROBLAST
1/4tsp CAL MAG

 

[jaymu86]

Using their schedule when should u stop using grow

 

[howsjosh]

I think you're supposed to be doing TBSP of bloom and not tsp... that might be why its looks kinda p def... (source: the earth juice info you posted earlier) I wouldn't actually know because I have yet to grow... I did although save all that earth juice info for the future because those are the nutes I'm going to be using so thanks for that

 

[ItsNatural]

Using their schedule when should u stop using grow

Ill have to check but Im pretty sure its way into flower. I think it stops a few weeks before harvest. But I will look when lights come on to be sure and get back to you.

I think you're supposed to be doing TBSP of bloom and not tsp... that might be why its looks kinda p def... (source: the earth juice info you posted earlier) I wouldn't actually know because I have yet to grow... I did although save all that earth juice info for the future because those are the nutes I'm going to be using so thanks for that

Yea Im totally confused and lost on that. I started the nute line at very low strength, working my way up. I got to 2tsp of Grow and started getting Nute burn. Even though their schedule says TBSP and I was using tsp. But I was also doing a feed every watering schedule. And that might have played a part in the nute burn also.But the bottle says use with every feeding so I did. But since then Iv been hesitant to give it too much of anything. But hell, Im such a noob it may not have even been nute burn. LOL it may have been something else looking looking like a nute burn. Maybe I should do a feed feed water schedule. Im just not sure with organics.
Anyhow my last batch of nutes had 1 1/2 tsp of bloom with 1/2tsp of big blooming guano. Which is like 0-4-0 so it should give it a little boost of P. I also gave it 1/4tsp of Meta-K which is 0-0-5. If things dont improve before Sat, I will up the Bloom. Ill update later when lights come on and I check on things. I dont expect any difference yet. Im assuming this problem will take a week or more to fix.

 

[ItsNatural]

Here are some pics so maybe someone can recognize my problem and shoot me a solution.

And see how red the stems and the center of the leafs are

Im thinking the stretch is either done or this problem has stunted its growth, either way I believe I might be done tucking.
Here are some low shots

 

[jaymu86]

Ill have to check but Im pretty sure its way into flower. I think it stops a few weeks before harvest. But I will look when lights come on to be sure and get back to you.




Yea Im totally confused and lost on that. I started the nute line at very low strength, working my way up. I got to 2tsp of Grow and started getting Nute burn. Even though their schedule says TBSP and I was using tsp. But I was also doing a feed every watering schedule. And that might have played a part in the nute burn also.But the bottle says use with every feeding so I did. But since then Iv been hesitant to give it too much of anything. But hell, Im such a noob it may not have even been nute burn. LOL it may have been something else looking looking like a nute burn. Maybe I should do a feed feed water schedule. Im just not sure with organics.
Anyhow my last batch of nutes had 1 1/2 tsp of bloom with 1/2tsp of big blooming guano. Which is like 0-4-0 so it should give it a little boost of P. I also gave it 1/4tsp of Meta-K which is 0-0-5. If things dont improve before Sat, I will up the Bloom. Ill update later when lights come on and I check on things. I dont expect any difference yet. Im assuming this problem will take a week or more to fix.

When they say use with every feed it just means when u feeding them use it but not every water unless they can take it

 

[ItsNatural]

Im really stressing on this problem. I sprayed them (them being the 2 lemon skunks) with some calmag water I mixed up. I had about 16 ozs of water in a spray bottle and put about 1/8th calmag, (scared to overdo it). I sprayed them down about a half hour or so before lights out. I turned up the fan to make sure there was plenty of air circulating to dry it all up. I know it takes a while for it to be fixed in the soil and I dont want them to get any worse. If that is even what it is. Im going to mix my nutes up tomorrow. I plan on feeding them this

1tsp GROW
2tsp BLOOM
1/2tsp BIG BLOOMIN GUANO
1/4tsp META-K
1 1/2tsp CATALYST
1/2tsp MICRO
1/4tsp CALMAG (except the LS. They will get 1/2tsp)

If anyone see a problem with this mix or something else I should be doing to fix this problem. Please let me know.

 

[jaymu86]

Maybe this earth juice chart will help don't think u should be using any grow in bloom

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[ItsNatural]

Maybe this earth juice chart will help don't think u should be using any grow in bloom

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This chart shows to use 1.5-3 tsp during flower. But to quit when ripening.

 

[jaymu86]

This chart shows to use 1.5-3 tsp during flower. But to quit when ripening.

Just looked at it I see now do they look any better

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[ItsNatural]

Just looked at it I see now do they look any better

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I cant really tell. I dont think they have gotten much worse. I finally trimmed all the yellow and really bad spotted leafs off so I can compare in a couple days if its any worse. I am going to make my mix later. Still not sure on what I should mix tho.

 

[jaymu86]

I would do 2grow 3bloom

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[ItsNatural]

UPDATE!!
63 Days from Seed....20 Days in Flower
Current temp....88F
Current RH 48

I mixed my nutes yesterday. I changed from mixing and putting all in bucket to bubble, to leaving it in the jugs so I can mix everything different as needed. Remember I did have it all in a bucket with 2 large air stones. Now it looks something like this.

As you can see I have 2 lines coming out into 2, 2 way splitters all going into small air stones. Which leaves me with a line and small air stone for each jug.

I fed the girls yesterday with a mix I made the day before. I wish I would have went stronger on the grow for the LS. They still seem to be getting more yellow. Mix went as follows

1tsp GROW
2 1/2tsp BLOOM
1/2tsp BIG BLOOMIN GUANO
1/4tsp META-K
1/2tsp MICROBLAST
1tsp CATALYST
1tsp CALMAG for the LS
1/2tsp CALMAG for the MM

Im getting frost all over the buds. Im sure I have lost alot of yield and potency in the LS due to this problem. Hopefully It will still be enough to last me till next harvest. Im sick of smoking press. Not even good press. Seedy stemy dirt press. I have been reluctant to give to much grow or anything because of the nute burn I got early on. But The more I see the LS suffer from def. the more I think my earlier burn was from leaving them sit in the run off. So I am going to up the grow to 2tsp for the LS next feed. I thought I was going to start to feed, feed, water. But I think the LS are going to need to be fed again. I only gave them 1tsp of GROW because I was upping the CALMAG. Which according to the bottle, has 3.00 N in it. And I was afraid to give to much. But it seems it is still getting worse so next watering/feed, I will give it 2tsp of GROW and 1tsp of CALMAG.
The Money Makers are looking good other than the very red stems and what ever the center of the leaf is called. Where the stem ends. That little circle, is very red also. And I read somewhere, (I cant find it now but it was very informative) that you can tell a lot from just that little spot. A completely healthy plant will have a nice green spot. Mine is red as hell. Maybe from a need of P. But I upped the Bloom And also added some Big Bloomin Guano. Anyway My point was I think they are looking ok so next feed. Which will be on Weds. I have developed a Weds Sun water schedule. Not sure if that is enough or not but its what I did with my outdoor plants. I would feed on one of the days and water on another. But they had mother nature to help water them here and there. (Not much lol)
But next feed I may just give the Money Makers water with some HI-BRIX and CALMAG. But I dont want to deprive them of P in such an important stage. So Im still not sure yet. Here are some pictures.

I trimmed all the dead yellow leafs and badly spotted leafs so I could see if it is still getting worse. Here are some Pics after I trimmed
Keep in mined it was a few days ago and some before pics might slip in here lol

Here is a close up of one of the buds. You can see the frost.

And here is the back of the Earth Juice Grow bottle. It says to use with every water/feeding. And it also claims to not burn. Another reason I think my burn may have come from the run off.

Well thats all I got for now. If you have suggestion Im down to hear them. I have been trying to defo a little every time Im out there. Other than that Im out.

 

[jaymu86]

Of it dosent get better I would flush it out n hit with nutes again could be lockout from salt build up have u flushed it yet

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[ItsNatural]

No I havent gave them a "real" flush. I gave like a half flush after the nute burn.

 

[jaymu86]

If all else fails flush em

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[ItsNatural]

64 Days from Seed....21 Days in Flower

OK so I made my mix for tomorrow. Mix goes as follows

Lemon Skunks Money Makers
2tsp GROW 1tsp GROW
2 1/2 tsp BLOOM 2 1/2tsp BLOOM
1/2tsp BIG BLOOMIN GUANO 1/2tsp BIG BLOOMIN GUANO
1tsp CATALYST 1tsp CATALYST
1tsp MICROBLAST 1/2tsp MICROBLAST
1tsp CALMAG 1/2tsp CALMAG
1tsp HI-BRIX 1tsp HI-BRIX

I prolly should have gave the MM just some calmag and hi-brix but They are responding to the increase in bloom as the stems and center spot are starting to green up. I also am a little worried about using 2tsp of GROW for the LS but they are still getting yellow and spotty. If this mix doesnt do anything I will flush with PH water to 6.5 Maybe not even a full flush. Just enough to try and get Ph closer to 6.5. Not sure what it is now but I have been going on the understanding I didnt need to worry about it. But if its not a def, it has to be a lockout due to ph problems. It just seems that if that were the case the Money Makers would be having that problem too. An they arent. Just the LS. which is why I am still hoping they are just more hungry than the MM and need more nutes. Here are a couple pics from today. Nothing to brag about but I will say that the LS have a real nice lemon citrus smell. Almost like lemon pine sol. My hand bumped one of the buds when I was defoling some of the dead yellow leafs and my hand was quite sticky. I can only imagine how good they would be right now If I wasnt suffering from such problems. I gotta say that Growing organic better be a HUGE difference, because as of now Im thinking I should have went with the fox farms line. Seems to be a little more simple. Mix nutes, PH the water, feed, give nutes accordingly. With growing organically im told to leave Ph alone and feed the soil. SO if there is a problem, it will take longer to fix because I have to fix the soil. IDK maybe I just made it more complicated than it had to be. My MM look pretty good. So maybe it is just something with the LS. Sorry,,,just a small little frustrating rant to blow off steam.
Here are some pics from today

I continue to defo here and there. I will update tomorrow after I feed.