Icemud's Grow 8.0 - New Intelligent-Gro LED - 2 x IGRO-228 LED - Testing & Review

[Icemud]

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Icemud, awesome looking! your tent will be busting out with buds

I can't wait!!! I am thinking I probably should spray them with some Serenade or another anti fungal before they start the stretch, to prevent any pm cause its such a tight pack in there. Hmmm maybe will put it on the to do list today...

I can't wait til I see buds!!! I'm excited!

 

[Hiker]

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I've seen one other LED company do this by adding Power meters (like a computer would use) but I really don't see any benefit from my standpoint. A kill-a-watt meter is better because it would be more cost effective, and can be used on multiple appliances. And once you know the draw of an appliance/fan/light, really I don't believe it changes much. Matter of fact, now that I know all the draws on my lights from the Kill-A-Watt meter, I hardly even use the thing.

That's the reason I never bought one. In my head I think, "so what do I do with it the second day I have it?"

I have a nutrient tea bubbling and will feed the girls tomorrow, started it yesterday and its been brewing for about 24 hours so tomorrow or possibly today they will get fed. I mixed 5 gallons of R/O water with:

2 spoonfuls of TandJ tea activator
3 spoonfuls of TandJ Biominerals
1 spoonful of Azomite
40ml of Earthjuice Gro 2-1-1
30ml of Earthjuice Bloom 0-3-1
2 spoonfuls of epsom salts
10ml of mango coconut juice

I have to run and get more Cal/mag...I was going to get General organics again but then I saw that Humboldt nutrients has a product called equillibrium which boasts a 12% CA 2%mg instead of the general organics 5%:1% Ca/mg.. A slightly higher Ca;Mg ratio which I like. For high brix soil the blend should host a 7:1 or higher Ca/Mg ratio (soil)

I also gave the girls a foliar feeding last night of 1/2 Gallon of R/O water mixed with:
2 cups of "tea" from above
yucca extract
added 5m of Amaze
10ml of PGR

You're timing is awesome. I'm struggling with my soil/coco mom's and was looking for tea users, so I came here and you posted today!

I don't have many of those items, but I'm going "into town" this weekend. I'll try to get equivalents.

Are those just square plastic pots? You hand water/feed, right?

In your tea recipe, is the coconut mango juice the sugar? Where are the live things, ie mycos? In the first item?
What is the yucca for?
What is PGR?

Sorry for all the questions. I've always thought your plants look awesome. I'm trying to learn from you soil guys. It's frustrating that I get great results with hydro and I'm struggling with soil.

 

[Icemud]

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That's the reason I never bought one. In my head I think, "so what do I do with it the second day I have it?"



You're timing is awesome. I'm struggling with my soil/coco mom's and was looking for tea users, so I came here and you posted today!

I don't have many of those items, but I'm going "into town" this weekend. I'll try to get equivalents.

Are those just square plastic pots? You hand water/feed, right?

In your tea recipe, is the coconut mango juice the sugar? Where are the live things, ie mycos? In the first item?
What is the yucca for?
What is PGR?

Sorry for all the questions. I've always thought your plants look awesome. I'm trying to learn from you soil guys. It's frustrating that I get great results with hydro and I'm struggling with soil.

Hey Hiker...Yeah soil is tricky and still confuses the heck out of me half the time.. but I am glad that each grow I seem to learn more and fine tune it better and better.

So far teas, I highly would recommend TandJ Enterprises. you can find them on the web, and they sell a whole kit that includes everything including the pump and bucket and strainer and all. If you already have a pump, airstone, bucket and strainer, just pick up their biominerals, tea activator and yucca extract.

I use far less than they recommend in my teas and still seem to have good results.


Yep, I'm using square 5 gallon plastic pots, they seem to fit the best for the tent size I have and the 6 plants I tend to usually run, but I really would like to grow less plants and maybe 3 giant plants instead, in like 25-20gallon pots. we will see what the future brings. Ive found with organic/natural growing in soil, it seems pot size is very important because it takes time for the nutrients to be broken down and available for the plant vs using soil with synthetic fertz where the nutrients are immediately available. So go as big as you can!

As far as my feeding, yep I hand water, I just bubble a 5 gallon bucket and use a kitchen measuring cup (2 1/2 cup size) to water with. I still am trying to figure out the best method of watering with organic fertz... I still havent' figured out what is best if its: water, feed, water, feed.... or ...feed, water, water, feed, water, water...or Feed, tea, water, feed tea, water... or what method works the best.. I'd love to hear others watering schedules.

As far as the mango coconut water, really its just an experiment I figured instead of using molasses for a sugar/carb source for the nutrients I would try the coconut water since its packed with magnesium and potassium. and my girls needed a boost in Mg. I wouldn't recommend trying it though unless you want to chance unknown things happening. I've done it before with no ill effects, but I know the ppm of coconut water is over 2000ppm, so a little is more than enough.

The bacterial growth in the teas are in the guanos in the earthjuice, in the TandJ tea products.

 

[SmokerJoe]

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Icemud im very proud of you and the details that you give. I love details and little nuances. Very good read.

 

[DrZiggy]

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Icemud, do you feed and water from bottom by soaking pots in a larger tub filled with your drench/ water or do you water and feed from top?

 

[Icemud]

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Icemud, do you feed and water from bottom by soaking pots in a larger tub filled with your drench/ water or do you water and feed from top?

I feed from top of the soil. I usually will pour 2 cups of water in each pot and let it soak in, then next round I will hit each pot 2x with 2 1/2 cups of water. Sometimes I check with my el-cheep-o moisture probe meter to see which plants are sucking up more water, some strains like OG's really suck up water fast while others like my pre98's or even the Ogiesel, didn't nearly use water as fast. So once I get the proverbial timing down of each strain then I water accordingly. They all get watered at the same time, however the amount is adjusted per strain depending on how much water they are sucking up.

I usually try to get a slight runoff in the catch trays below the pots... I did get a square pot into a round catch tray!! LOL I wanted to go with larger ones, but the width of my tent wont allow for it to happen.

I've learned though that with getting runoff, I have to suck it up with a turkey baster or it will re-absorb into the soil and seems to lead to issues of the soil being too wet and seems to throw my ph off. So now if I water where there is enough run-off, then I always make sure to suck it up now before it re-adsorbs.

 

[Icemud]

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What is the yucca for?
What is PGR?

I forgot to answer two of your questions....


Yucca extract is used as a wetting agent. It helps the water molecules bond better to the different soil particles, plus if used as a foliar spray additive, it contains saponins which help the nutrient ions penetrate the leafs more efficiently.

Yucca I believe also helps repel pests in the soil, never have issues with gnats after using anything with yucca in it.


PGR is a foliar spray additive made by an agricultural lab, that doesn't like to associate with Cannabis. DocBud I believe is going to re-brand their products and sell them so that he can help the MMJ community with good products as well as take the "heat" off the "lab" so they don't have to deal with cannabis growers. They are in a non legal state.

PGR is I believe made with seaweed extract and maybe some other botanical goodies and is very very thick and dark, like molasses. It basically contains natural plant hormones that help boost the plant in many different ways. It is known as a Spray Adjuvant which basically defines to a product which itself isn't really directly effective to a plant, boost the effectiveness of other sprays or nutrients by helping them absorb better, reduces water droplet size...etc , and is known pretty much as we call "wetting agents" or "sticking agents"

 

[timothypaul26]

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Don't be dumb like me... Get the yucca without the preservative. I didn't notice there were 2 kinds in their list at t&j

 

[Icemud]

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Don't be dumb like me... Get the yucca without the preservative. I didn't notice there were 2 kinds in their list at t&j

Good point!! forgot to mention that!


another mention:
Also if you get the Yucca without preservative, once open keep it refrigerated because since it doesn't have preservatives, it will spoil easily if not kept cold.

I also use a few drops per large cup of water to detox and it does make a difference...you also feel more hydrated

 

[Icemud]

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Icemud im very proud of you and the details that you give. I love details and little nuances. Very good read.

Hey Smoker Joe!! Very much appreciate it!! I have fun and I am glad that others enjoy it as well

 

[Icemud]

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I can't wait!!! I am thinking I probably should spray them with some Serenade or another anti fungal before they start the stretch, to prevent any pm cause its such a tight pack in there. Hmmm maybe will put it on the to do list today...

I can't wait til I see buds!!! I'm excited!

So I decided along with flipping my Ladies to flowering schedule, and feeding them, I also gave them a spray of SNS 244n which is a fungicide. Since the plants are so cramped together in the grow tent I figure hitting them with a preventative measure wouln't hurt to prevent any pm from forming. Only had it happen once out of 8 grows, but definitely learned from it as well

Also I fed the girls their bubbling goodness of TandJ and Earthjuice They seem happy

 

[Mike Wright]

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I can't wait!!! I am thinking I probably should spray them with some Serenade or another anti fungal before they start the stretch, to prevent any pm cause its such a tight pack in there. Hmmm maybe will put it on the to do list today...

I can't wait til I see buds!!! I'm excited!

Really nice forest you've got going there Ice. I can't wait to see the whole programmed variable spectrum thing is very cool. I try to replicate natural conditions manually. I'll throw the bloom switch for for hours midday on my veg plants to stimulate intense sun, I drop the light cycle back gradually on my flip. If the programs benefit that spectrum delivery controller could be the next 'must have'.

 

[Christine Green]

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Hey Everyone!!!


So just a quick update.... I am preparing to flower this tent very soon, so yesterday I spent some time adding 4' bamboo poles to my girls and tying them up. I want to help give them space but not overcrowd each other, as well as something to guide the girls as they go through their pre flowering stretch. Some of the strains like the GDP have very thick stems and will be able to hold up large buds, but some of the others like the green candy and the black cherry cola are very flimsy whispy stems in which the support definitely is needed.


I still am having some kind of nutrient issue on a few of my plants.... Here is what the leaves look like...I believe it is a Mg issue/deficiency, but I am not 100% sure either. Any others who have seen this before feel free to chime in.

Here are some photos to enjoy!!

WOW Icemud, that is impressive! Here is a picture that I hope helps:

I would say, Sulfur Deficiency...

Really nice forest you've got going there Ice. I can't wait to see the whole programmed variable spectrum thing is very cool. I try to replicate natural conditions manually. I'll throw the bloom switch for for hours midday on my veg plants to stimulate intense sun, I drop the light cycle back gradually on my flip. If the programs benefit that spectrum delivery controller could be the next 'must have'.

So nice! That is an awesome LED. How fun!

 

[WildRosebud]

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I agree looks like Mag deficiency and recovering from a tiny bit of nute lock

 

[Christine Green]

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Wait, I changed my mind, LOL, I think it is a nitrogen deficiency instead.

 

[timothypaul26]

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Hard to tell, but by the map that pinky posted it could be mag, sulfur or nitrogen. The best way to tell would be with a soil test.

 

[Christine Green]

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Hard to tell, but by the map that pinky posted it could be mag, sulfur or nitrogen. The best way to tell would be with a soil test.

He's right Icemud, I am completely confused right now.
If it happened to me, I would use just PH'd water on their next feeding, and then resume feeding with 1/2 the recommended nutes. BUT, you have a lot more experience than I do, so do what YOU think is best! LOL!

 

[Hiker]

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Thank you Icemud for the detailed responses. I know how much time it takes and I really appreciate it.

I'm going to look into the items your using. My grow shop may not have the exact same thing, but they will likely have something similar. The tips on the yucca are very helpful! My wife and I like to juice so I will try adding some yucca.

Thanks again.

I think your pic looks like an MG def. Our beloved plant loves Mg. I've never heard of using epsom salt with any other plant, but most of us have some in our grow supplies.

I feed from top of the soil. I usually will pour 2 cups of water in each pot and let it soak in, then next round I will hit each pot 2x with 2 1/2 cups of water. Sometimes I check with my el-cheep-o moisture probe meter to see which plants are sucking up more water, some strains like OG's really suck up water fast while others like my pre98's or even the Ogiesel, didn't nearly use water as fast. So once I get the proverbial timing down of each strain then I water accordingly. They all get watered at the same time, however the amount is adjusted per strain depending on how much water they are sucking up.

I usually try to get a slight runoff in the catch trays below the pots... I did get a square pot into a round catch tray!! LOL I wanted to go with larger ones, but the width of my tent wont allow for it to happen.

I've learned though that with getting runoff, I have to suck it up with a turkey baster or it will re-absorb into the soil and seems to lead to issues of the soil being too wet and seems to throw my ph off. So now if I water where there is enough run-off, then I always make sure to suck it up now before it re-adsorbs.

How long do you wait to remove the runoff?

When I water, I want to see a little runoff. I will let it sit for 12-24 hours depending on what time of day I water. Basically, if there is still any water in the tray the next day, I dump it out. Most of the time, the plants absorb it back up within a few hours. This is my method of adjusting for how much each plant uses. Some plants will take a little more before I see run off. When I see run off, that plant is done.

I think I was letting my soil/coco mix get too dry. I also decided to always feed the moms. I always tend to mix my nutrients at 50% strength or weaker, so maybe I'm starving them. I thought the 'neglect' was just under watering, but I'm probably not feeding enough. I was watching one of Cultivator's videos about growing in coco and he feeds every time. It makes sense if there is nothing left in the soil. My moms have been in these pots for a few months already, so I'm sure they've completely used up the nutrients in the soil.

Thanks again for sharing.

 

[Icemud]

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He's right Icemud, I am completely confused right now.
If it happened to me, I would use just PH'd water on their next feeding, and then resume feeding with 1/2 the recommended nutes. BUT, you have a lot more experience than I do, so do what YOU think is best! LOL!

Hey Pinky! Yeah I'm not the best when it comes to correcting deficiencies, I would expect that Hydro growers are much better with it, since their changes need to happen quicker, and I would also assume have quicker resolution. Soil seems to take a while to correct itself which is what gives me troubles, I wish I had a EC probe so I could tell the conductivity of the soil. This would help me know more about whats going on below the surface and correct issues like this.

With soil, I never PH..havent' at least in 2 years, I don't even know if I have any ph adjusters I usually use plain water and compost tea to help the soil naturally get where it needs to be.. so far it works pretty well, just have to figure out my issues come late flowering.

 

[Icemud]

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Thank you Icemud for the detailed responses. I know how much time it takes and I really appreciate it.

I'm going to look into the items your using. My grow shop may not have the exact same thing, but they will likely have something similar. The tips on the yucca are very helpful! My wife and I like to juice so I will try adding some yucca.

Thanks again.

I think your pic looks like an MG def. Our beloved plant loves Mg. I've never heard of using epsom salt with any other plant, but most of us have some in our grow supplies.



How long do you wait to remove the runoff?

When I water, I want to see a little runoff. I will let it sit for 12-24 hours depending on what time of day I water. Basically, if there is still any water in the tray the next day, I dump it out. Most of the time, the plants absorb it back up within a few hours. This is my method of adjusting for how much each plant uses. Some plants will take a little more before I see run off. When I see run off, that plant is done.

I think I was letting my soil/coco mix get too dry. I also decided to always feed the moms. I always tend to mix my nutrients at 50% strength or weaker, so maybe I'm starving them. I thought the 'neglect' was just under watering, but I'm probably not feeding enough. I was watching one of Cultivator's videos about growing in coco and he feeds every time. It makes sense if there is nothing left in the soil. My moms have been in these pots for a few months already, so I'm sure they've completely used up the nutrients in the soil.

Thanks again for sharing.

I'm still too trying to get my watering down....its a struggle with me though. When I first started, I grew with earthjuice, fed every feeding and hand very beautiful green plants, decent quality, but not high brix, but healthy plants. Buds turned out good, but not exceptional. Then I started getting into high brix growing, in which i started using amended soil and foliar feeding, with this I learned to let the soil do the work and wasn't adding many nutrients, letting the soil do the bulk of the feeding. Better quality, but started running into problems with the plants needing more nutrients than the soil could handle. Then I started to do a combo of feeding/teas/water and this is kind of where I am now. I want the green healthy vibrant from my first grow, but with the high brix characteristic of my later grows, and now finding the balance is where I am.