Icemud's Grow 8.0 - New Intelligent-Gro LED - 2 x IGRO-228 LED - Testing & Review

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Hey everyone... Here is a quick update...Today would make day 2 of flowering (from the 12/12 flip)

So the girls look great, and are responding to the 12/12 flip well, and starting to stretch up towards the lights, all the leaves looked very healthy today for the most part, still some minor issues on the lower leaves on some of the plants, but working to correct it. :) Otherwise very healthy happy posture to the leaves as they point up towards the lights, with a nice shine starting to form on the leaves.

I gave the girls a foliar spray today. I mixed up 1/4 gallon of R/O water and mixed in:
5ml of bloomit
5ml of pgr
1ml of 2-0-0 cal/mag (botanicare)
epsom salt
2ml 2-4-0 hydrolyzed fish
1/2ml of 0-0-4 potassium silicate (silicone based potassium)
5ml of carboload
3ml of organic b.

It may seem like a lot of additives, but they were added in such small amounts, about 1/4 to 1/8 doses so I should be fine.

The soil is still pretty moist so they wont need a watering for at least 4-5 days.

I also added a small piece of studio foam to the roof of my tent, right above my fan, I was curious how much it would reduce the noise and make it even more stealthy, and I have to say it did help. :)

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Here are some photos for the girls on day 2 flowering....Sorry there is so many, was a little medicated and was having fun being "artsy" with my camera :)

Full tent views..
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Black Cherry Cola
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Purple Dragon
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Harlequin
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GDP1
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GDP2
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Green Candy
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OGiesel
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Here are some photos of the clones of all the above plants, looking nice and happy, probably not far along rooting yet, but shouldn't be long :)

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Re: Icemud's Grow 8.0 - New Intelligent-Gro LED - 2 x IGRO-228 LED - Testing And Revi

Very Nice Ice lots going on :thumb:
 
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very nice groom Ice, is it a 4X4 or a 4X2 space where you put the 2 led panels?
i wonder if i could replace my 600WGrolux with only 2 of these, it would be terrific!!!
 
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Nice update. Interestingly enough, I flipped my girls today too (rather, today will be their first day of 12/12).

Looking good!
 
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I too agree, I wish that I had a nice seed bank on some landrace genetics. I do have a few special seed saved from different sources but wish I had kept stuff from when I was a teen back in the early 90's. Bummer. I know once I get going with collecting seeds, I wont stop :) I actually can't wait to breed my own as well, I just dream of the combos and flavors that are possible... grandaddy's blue dream cookies? lol
one of my favorite crosses is my durple pream (gdp dad x blue dream mom) super frosty potent & colorful

Very excited to hear that you are going Intelligent Gro! You are going to love what these panels can do. I am not currently using the GLR for veg, I wanted to run the 18/6 factory veg schedule to show what it can do, and so far I am very impressed. I think that one of the other Intelligent Gro "growers" here are doing GLR, but I can't remember who. You definitely will be happy with the panels and Dave is definitely a good guy to work with as he really does put a lot into the design of these panels.
i think that stretch is coming Ice ! great updates in the past few pages took me 2 hours to get caught up,love the "artsy fartsy" pics :rocker: i think i need to up my blue to tighten up the nodes but overall im very happy and adding the calmag hast stopped further signs of def.
let us rock these grows i hit 3 weeks since the flip tomorrow! grow on brother Icy!! :rocker:
oh and i gave you a couple rep knuckle bumps!
 
Re: Icemud's Grow 8.0 - New Intelligent-Gro LED - 2 x IGRO-228 LED - Testing And Revi

Ice, since that motor is mounted to that metal rack. A piece of rubber between the motor mount and rack would quiet things down considerably. If not more so than the foam piece. Could even use a piece of that foam and some electrical tape, unless you have a piece of rubber tubing you could slit and pop over the bar.
 
Re: Icemud's Grow 8.0 - New Intelligent-Gro LED - 2 x IGRO-228 LED - Testing And Revi

Ice, since that motor is mounted to that metal rack. A piece of rubber between the motor mount and rack would quiet things down considerably. If not more so than the foam piece. Could even use a piece of that foam and some electrical tape, unless you have a piece of rubber tubing you could slit and pop over the bar.

Black foam pipe insulation like for AC units. ;)
 
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hey Ice, David contacted me and was very nice as i thought.
thanx again M8.
i read back at your journal and seen your led groom is a 4X2 then i need one more device to cover my space correctly.
your girlz look to be so happy under your leds.
 
Re: Icemud's Grow 8.0 - New Intelligent-Gro LED - 2 x IGRO-228 LED - Testing And Revi

Very Nice Ice lots going on :thumb:

Yep, busy busy!! But definitely work that I can appreciate when done :)

very nice groom Ice, is it a 4X4 or a 4X2 space where you put the 2 led panels?
i wonder if i could replace my 600WGrolux with only 2 of these, it would be terrific!!!

My grow area is 2.5'x5'x7'. I originally had 2x HID lights in the same tent, a 400w CMH and a 600w HPS... These Intelligent Gro 228w models are doing a great job in illuminating the same area, the true test is when my buds are done, how they look feel and how dense they are. :)

Inspiring stuff

Thanks Billyjack!

Icemud, hopefully your tent can expand 2 ft in every direction :) ..wow!

I honestly wish I had a whole room or 2 or more :) dedicated to growing...unfortunately my 1br apartment doesn't allow for much more room to expand.. future plans :)

Nice update. Interestingly enough, I flipped my girls today too (rather, today will be their first day of 12/12).

Looking good!

Thanks Government!! Race ya to the finish!! LOL, if only we had control of when our plants were ready...LOL
 
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one of my favorite crosses is my durple pream (gdp dad x blue dream mom) super frosty potent & colorful


i think that stretch is coming Ice ! great updates in the past few pages took me 2 hours to get caught up,love the "artsy fartsy" pics :rocker: i think i need to up my blue to tighten up the nodes but overall im very happy and adding the calmag hast stopped further signs of def.
let us rock these grows i hit 3 weeks since the flip tomorrow! grow on brother Icy!! :rocker:
oh and i gave you a couple rep knuckle bumps!

Great reminder, I have to go to the hydro store today to pick up some more GO cal/mag...was also looking at a product by Humboldt nutrients called equillibrium which hosts 12% calcium, 2% Mg, which is near the high brix ratio of 7:1. I've had good luck with the General Organics one though so we will see which one I pick up. :)

Yeah both blue dream and GDP are some of my favorite strains, along with some OG, and now my new favorite GSC!! I wish I had a way to send you a cut of the GSC, its the real deal and let me tell you, its a poor yielding plant, but one that you just can't get enough of :)

I think for the remainder of this grow I am going back to using my Earthjuice/General Organics nutrients, I haven't really been using much nutrients the past few grows, cause I wanted to let the soil feed the plant, but I am realizing that I just have to supplement what the soil can't produce in my smaller 5 gallon pots, so I think I may do a feeding of EJ/GO every other feeding... I wanna see green petioles, not purple anymore! LOL
 
Re: Icemud's Grow 8.0 - New Intelligent-Gro LED - 2 x IGRO-228 LED - Testing And Revi

Ice, since that motor is mounted to that metal rack. A piece of rubber between the motor mount and rack would quiet things down considerably. If not more so than the foam piece. Could even use a piece of that foam and some electrical tape, unless you have a piece of rubber tubing you could slit and pop over the bar.

Black foam pipe insulation like for AC units. ;)

Hey guys, great suggestions...The fan was not really an issue or that loud at all, matter of fact when I zipper up the tent, I can hardly hear it running at all, but I had some extra studio foam laying around so I wanted to see if it did in fact quiet the fan even more...And it did...The only thing that sucks about studio foam, is that it only absorbs the high/mid frequencies because these are the shortest soundwaves... but does nothing for low end bassy and rumbling sounds, which are very long soundwaves, which take a few feet of wideband sound absorbtion to quiet. But overall it helped quiet it down more.. Now if I can quiet down my other tent with the other brand LED's...they are freaking loud compared to these almost silent Intelligent Gro lights.

:)
 
Re: Icemud's Grow 8.0 - New Intelligent-Gro LED - 2 x IGRO-228 LED - Testing And Revi

hey Ice, David contacted me and was very nice as i thought.
thanx again M8.
i read back at your journal and seen your led groom is a 4X2 then i need one more device to cover my space correctly.
your girlz look to be so happy under your leds.

Hey ECdriver!! Your very welcome for me being the mediator :) Yeah the 2 Intelligent Gro lights (228w)model are doing a great job in my 2.5'x5'x7' tent for veg, I am excited to see how they perform in flowering! Ideally I would have a 3rd (228w)model, and rotate all of them 90 degrees. Very happy and healthy plants though! You will definitely enjoy your new lights, (assuming you got them).
 
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Hey Pinky! Yeah I'm not the best when it comes to correcting deficiencies, I would expect that Hydro growers are much better with it, since their changes need to happen quicker, and I would also assume have quicker resolution. Soil seems to take a while to correct itself which is what gives me troubles, I wish I had a EC probe so I could tell the conductivity of the soil. This would help me know more about whats going on below the surface and correct issues like this.

With soil, I never PH..havent' at least in 2 years, I don't even know if I have any ph adjusters :) I usually use plain water and compost tea to help the soil naturally get where it needs to be.. so far it works pretty well, just have to figure out my issues come late flowering.

I find myself in that same situation. Although you are much further along the soil learning curve than I am. :winkyface:

My biggest problem with dirt is the dirt. It invites more pests and just makes my grow room messier IMHO.
That being said, I got over that and am trying to get better at growing in soil. Now I'm stuck with the "real" reason I prefer hydro. You nailed it right on the head there. I can't tell what's going on at the roots. Hydro is so simple. Just monitor the ph and ppm. If you see a problem, you have to act quickly, but it also heals quickly. I think in soil, growers are our own worst enemies. We see a problem, take an action, but then don't wait long enough for that action to have it's affect. Or worse, if we took the wrong action, by the time you wait to see the effects, the original problem (now un-addressed because you did the wrong thing) is getting worse and maybe killing the plant!

Thanks for sharing your journey here. Hopefully I can ride your coattails a little. :winkyface:

I'm still too trying to get my watering down....its a struggle with me though. When I first started, I grew with earthjuice, fed every feeding and hand very beautiful green plants, decent quality, but not high brix, but healthy plants. Buds turned out good, but not exceptional. Then I started getting into high brix growing, in which i started using amended soil and foliar feeding, with this I learned to let the soil do the work and wasn't adding many nutrients, letting the soil do the bulk of the feeding. Better quality, but started running into problems with the plants needing more nutrients than the soil could handle. Then I started to do a combo of feeding/teas/water and this is kind of where I am now. I want the green healthy vibrant from my first grow, but with the high brix characteristic of my later grows, and now finding the balance is where I am.

I am going to go back and read through your first brix journal

I made cannabutter using coconut oil, very good for you and a 1:1 replacement for butter. It stays solid at room temp, but @ ~78 deg F liquifies. You can throw it in a crockpot or a pan in the oven for a few hours. Works great, has a high fat content

I've used coconut oil. It has lots of great characteristics for sure. I did find it makes my baked goods come out a little different. Specifically cookies and cakes. Butter is a softer oil, so it does affect the consistency of the end product. I still like coconut oil though, so sometimes I will mix them. I make the emulsions separately, but when I cook I will mix both kinds.


Ice, I stopped decarbing awhile ago, but I'm one of the boil overnight guys too. :blalol:
The beauty of using water and oil is you can't overcook the MJ. It just can't get above 212F. Just make sure the water doesn't all boil off. My stove does allow for a very low simmer though. Maybe that helps. The step where you boiled off the water made me nervous.

I didn't see you mention it, but did you use soy lecithin? I've done batches with and without and do think it makes a difference.
 
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Looks like you'll be having some tall girls ice. Looking great, hope there enough room to get them as fat as can be. :peace:
 
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I find myself in that same situation. Although you are much further along the soil learning curve than I am. :winkyface:

My biggest problem with dirt is the dirt. It invites more pests and just makes my grow room messier IMHO.
That being said, I got over that and am trying to get better at growing in soil. Now I'm stuck with the "real" reason I prefer hydro. You nailed it right on the head there. I can't tell what's going on at the roots. Hydro is so simple. Just monitor the ph and ppm. If you see a problem, you have to act quickly, but it also heals quickly. I think in soil, growers are our own worst enemies. We see a problem, take an action, but then don't wait long enough for that action to have it's affect. Or worse, if we took the wrong action, by the time you wait to see the effects, the original problem (now un-addressed because you did the wrong thing) is getting worse and maybe killing the plant!

Thanks for sharing your journey here. Hopefully I can ride your coattails a little. :winkyface:



I am going to go back and read through your first brix journal

Yeah honestly you nailed it. I still have to say, even though yield is higher in hydro (typically), cycles are slightly faster, and much easier to correct issues, there is nothing, IMO, better than a nice High brix soil or organically grown nug... Smoother, tastier, longer lasting effects and for me I don't build up a tolerance for it like hydro buds. Thats why I have always done soil... but I also am a victom of my own experimentation as well :) lol. I always try new things, or adjust things even though my gut tells me elsewise, and usually it still works out great, but makes it frustrating to figure out what went wrong with so many changes. I think finally I have got most of my experimenting out of me and kind of figured out the right procedure for getting the results I want, now I just have to make sure my watering timings are on, and I follow my schedule :) lol




Ice, I stopped decarbing awhile ago, but I'm one of the boil overnight guys too. :blalol:
The beauty of using water and oil is you can't overcook the MJ. It just can't get above 212F. Just make sure the water doesn't all boil off. My stove does allow for a very low simmer though. Maybe that helps. The step where you boiled off the water made me nervous.

I didn't see you mention it, but did you use soy lecithin? I've done batches with and without and do think it makes a difference.

Yeah I wasn't sure about the decarbing, mostly because I know I read somewhere that as Cannabis dries and ages it naturally decarbs, and the buds I used had to have been about 6-12 months old or so, so I figured it wasn't quite necessary to do it beforehand, but I looked at multiple sources that said to at least boil 3 hours, and most say up to 24 but don't exceed 24. So I went as long as I could before I started falling asleep and didn't want to leave it on my gas stove unattended. So that ended up being about 6 hours of boiling or so. I did notice that when the water ratio to butter got really low, the bubbling became pretty dangerous as the bubbles would emerge through a thickening butter, shoot up into the air a couple inches and then splash down, spattering hot butter/oil. When it started doing this I would add a few cups of water and let it heat up and slowly boil out. And repeat.

I saw another method where the guy put the butter in a jar, and the jar in a pan with water, and it seemed like a better way to do it in my circumstances, but I even thought I might as well make a big batch and put it in my crock pot.

The butter definitely turned out pretty strong, much stronger than I expected using older bud. LOL.
 
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Looks like you'll be having some tall girls ice. Looking great, hope there enough room to get them as fat as can be. :peace:

Hey Grizzwald, they are definitely getting tall, the bamboo poles are 4' tall, the pot is about 1' tall, so right now the girls are just about hitting the 2 1/2' mark :) Hope they don't get too tall or I may have to supercrop them, which I probably will do anyways later in flowering :)
 
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So hey everyone,

I know I am pretty much strait to the point most of the time in regards to my journal, but I thought of a funny 420 memory that I would share with everyone here.

So how did I come to thinking about this... Well I was browsing youtube and came across Big Irish Dude's page. I was thinking about how I always abbreviate it as BID... and then the story contines...


Ok, so its 1998, freshman year of college, and its fall, during the homecoming festivities. Me and my buddy from down the hall were into our usual weekend shenanigans. Somehow early off I became very popular because I was one of the few freshman who had a fake ID card and was able to by drinks, and so every weekend, people would put envelopes with money and an order under my door, I always requested, like 10$ extra for doing the task from everyone, so usually it ended up paying for my weekend "fun" and more. So me and a few of my trusted buddies, that the liquor store attendant knew were "cool" got our super large backpacks, thick winter coats and headed to the store. Usually we spend hundreds of dollars every weekend and had to limit orders because business was booming..lol... Anyhow, we got back to the dorms, started drinking, smoking some herb and enjoying some music talking about god knows what.

The homecoming parade was earlier in the day and so we were just kicking back in my room, getting "fired up" I think was the term then for pre-gaming so we started throwing them back and smoking more...

Now abit about my dormroom: It was a typical cinder block wall, single room, split down the middle like a mirror reflection. Everything the same on each side. I met my room mate at the get together a few months before school started and found out we actually tried out for the braves trial camp the same day, playing the same base and recognised each other. Now this was really odd because he lived in a completely different state and the training camp was hours away from either of where we lived...and now randomly he is at this orientation, we clicked and he blazed...awesome start... So anyhow, back to the story.. We decked out our room all trippy, blacklight this and painting that and glowing stars on every surface of the room/floors ceilings, beds dressers, everywhere. When you turned off the lights it definitely felt like you were kind of floating in space...or at least gave the visual illusion of it. I also made sure that smells of herb wouldn't get out of the room as an upper class man had taught me the basics of negative pressure and by using clear plastic wrap and sealing a fan to the open window blowing outwords would suck air in under the door, thus no need for the classic towl... Ah Ha! so, trip to the store, buying plastic wrap, tape and oh yea, weatherstripping :) lol Now how to cover the scent... we weren't allowed to burn incense so we did the typical "blow tube" where you take pretty much anything in a cylinder/tube shape, stuff it with dryer sheets and blow your hits through it. I mean it works, but sucks when you take a big rip and blow it all over the room... Then I had an idea...

I bet those of you that went to college, never used a hot pot this way!! LOL So we couldn't burn incense, but they never said we couldn't boil it!!! I took my hotpot, filled it with water, plugged it in, layed about 4 incence sticks across the top, and put the lid on. The lid sat on tip of the incense creating a mini dome with the spout letting the steam out... Worked perfect! Incense and "college rule legal". So anyways, my room was decked out to the max for partying, we would smoke blunts, joints bongs whatever in their and it lasted all year until the end, and then all shit hit the fan... thats a story I would rather not share, so back to the good story...


So anyhow, its homecomming night, were getting pretty buzzed, smoking our little pipes we had got from a far away head shop. Wasn't a legal state, very conservative actually midwest farm town with a college in it. Pipes weren't even legal in the county we were in so we basically had what we had, and otherwise had to make what we wanted... We became very crafty using water bottles, straws, some pipe fittins from the hardware store and sorts, but as most of us stoners know, theres always a better weed, or way to smoke it or whatever :)

So then comes the big idea, by now we were very intoxicated and we were on a mission to make a bong... but something to give the 1 2 knockout... so we go outside, pretty wasted at this point, i start talking with some other friends, and my buddy comes running back and says, yo, we gotta go, side door... Now the side door of the dorm was locked during certain hours and was unmonitored, and of course we just would leave a rock or bottle or carpet in the door so we could use it anytime. He tells me to go in the front door and open the side door cause its locked, but hurry..So I run through the halls, open the side door and there he is, sweating, out of breath, and has this huge plywood pyramid standing about 3' tall and a base about 1' x 1'. Hes like...Here it is!!!

I look at him and am asking him where he got it and he says, no time right now, lets go and bring it up to your room. I was like ok, so we drag this thing up 5 flights of stairs, down the hall and into my room... We plop down, smoke a bowl, and I ask him again, where he got it.... Well turns out he found the freshman homecomming float and the big plywood pyramid was part of the props, he saw it, ran up, ripped it off and ran...LOL...

So here we are, both waiting for a knock at the door, but also in our state of "lets make the best bong ever!" mood. So were staring at the thing and writing down ideas. Now this was mission impossible, nothing was stopping us from making this pyriamid into a bong.. So it got late, we got drunk, passed out and woke up in the morning...

Todays mission...hardware store

So we wake up early, Sunday Morning one of the dorm kitchens surved huge waffels covered in stawberries and whipped cream. (and they wonder why college kids gain weight!) Our thoughts "perfect stoner food!!" LOL. It was our Sunday ritual. We would all wake up, wherever we all passed out, get together, smoke a few bowls, and then go to eat heaven.... But now we had a mission. We finished up our breakfast and split. Luckilly my buddy had a upperclass sister who was allowed to have a car on campus, so bingo, were going shopping... So now were at the hardware store, walking around blazed as ever with no real idea or plan of how were going to do this...Then I saw the plastic gas cans! I was like, perfect! grabed it and showed it to him and he was like WTF! I was like its perfect, it will fit in the bottom and be the water tank...he looked at me like I was crazy like nobody could take a 5 gallon rip, and I was like, lets make it a hooka/bong. He was sold. So now we have the tank...on to the plumbing dept. We picked up 1" clear hosing for 3 individual tubes, a bunch of fitting that allowed us to connect them all together and clamps and stuff to seal the pipes together. We get it all back to my room and start assembling. We had to cut the holes in the plywood by hand with pocket knifes, not fun but we managed to get the holes in the plywood for the pipes... We finally did. Next we assambled the gas tank pipes underneith and then we added the bowl piece, which consisted of pipe about 3/4" wide and the bowl was about 3" deep!!! We needed to pack a lot for it to work for everyone! So now we were done assembling it... We gave it a try....

I tried first, took one of the biggest rips of my life, and choked for literally 10 minutes, afterwords emerging from the haze. My buddy tried it, same thing...we looked at it and were happy as hell we made the master bong! As the day continued and we continued to smoke the pyramid, we looked at it painted in 2 tone brown bricks from the previous float, and decided it needed some touching up. I had some left over blacklight paint left over so we decided to give it glowing psycadellic bricks instead and put our names on it (blured out in photo). So now, were blazed, painted it, its glowing and looking all awesome, we put our signatures on it as the artists, and there was still something missing....... but what was it....... A name! ...lol

So, packed up some more herb, bumping some music we sat there for what seemed like hours but probably was only 20 minutes, and threw names back and forth. Finally I think I was thinking, well its a pyramid, but that doesn't sound personal and said why don't we call it "PID" the pyramid, or PID for short.... He loved it and so the bong/hooka's name was PID!

So this is how I thought of this story, and how Big Irish Dudes name abbreviated made me think of this...awesome how our brains worked..

So what happened to PID?

Well PID was such a knockout that everyone in the dorm that "was cool" had to try it, but after 1 or 2 trys it was too much for most people. It sat in my closet for a month and then we moved it to my buddies dorm, he basically had no room for it so we decided to ask around. We hung out at a local house, wasn't a frat house but a bunch of buddies that we became friends with and used to get stoned and play fooseball with, (on a pro level, not really but they were very good). We asked them if they wanted to keep it at their place and they said yes... so now, how do we get it over there... A 3' psycidellic painted pyramid with 3 pipes emerging from 3 of the sides. His sister also wasn't around and so we had no vehicle to drive...the only other option...the school shuttle...

We called it the Laid van, i think it was the companies actual name but just a funny name to begin with, especially transporting drunk college students to and from. So ok, lets do this.. as we get our testosterone levels up...Now let me mention this. This isn't a major university with tens of thousand of students, this is a private religious college with about 6K students... so they have a very strict zero tolerance if you get caught...We definitely were risking a lot moving this thing, but it was better than getting caught with it in our rooms, and neither of us had room for it anyways we had to take it..

So our idea....I was an engineering student so it was my "science project" if anyone asked... We covered it with a blanket the best we could, and all you could see was a little bit of the square base and the tubes, so the story was somewhat believable. And so we went for it, waiting for the Laid van for 5 minutes felt like hours with this, resin stinking, 3' blanket covered bong, let alone stolen off the homecoming float... So here comes the van, we get on as others are getting off. Of course the driver looks at us as well as the few passengers and says, whats that... and of course, my answer, a engineering project, end of conversation as I look the way of my buddy and force conversation to show my disinterest in their questions. It worked, no more questions, around the campus we go with our buddy "PID" who did seem like a friend for all that we been through with it. LOL. Anyhow we bring it to the friends house, it stays there, we visit on occasion, and I still hear rumors that it may still be around somewhere to this day.

I hope you liked the story everyone, It actually felt great writing it and reflecting back to memories that I had far brushed to the back of my mind.

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Good story ice, i like it. Think we've all got a good bong making story, I'll save mine for a rainy day. It involves a two day rave party, driving 9hours home in stolen car (friends mums car) and being stuck on a highway between two cattle farms the size of some European countries whilst a mate driving sleept for 4/5 hours. And the temperature was 40 (107) and coming down hard, yet the memory lives, lol.
 
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