Icemud's Grow 8.0 - New Intelligent-Gro LED - 2 x IGRO-228 LED - Testing & Review

Re: Icemud's Grow 8.0 - New Intelligent-Gro LED - 2 x IGRO-228 LED - Testing And Revi

I just wanted to share these graphs with all of you so you can see the wattage draw per hour (114w module) of each of the custom schedules.

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Re: Icemud's Grow 8.0 - New Intelligent-Gro LED - 2 x IGRO-228 LED - Testing And Revi

WOW!!! $0.30/kW hour in CA, we pay $0.08/kW hour ($0.12/kW hour over 500 kW during summer), so the dimming feature save less than $30 here per year, but every little bit helps.

We have a tier system here in Cali, where depending on how many KWhr's used, the rate changes...

Usually with my grow lights I am in Tier 3, 4 or 5 depending on my other electronic monthly useage, so here is how the breakdown for cali is...

Tier 1= $.13 up to 314 KWh
Tier 2= $0.16 from 314KWh to 408 KWh
Tier 3= $0.27 from 408KWh to 628 KWh
Tier 4= $0.30 from 628 KWh to 847 KWh

typically with my 3 grow tents and other household electricity, I am in total using about 790 to 840 KWh per month... which usually lands me in the Tier 4 area.
 
Re: Icemud's Grow 8.0 - New Intelligent-Gro LED - 2 x IGRO-228 LED - Testing And Revi

That's crazy Ice. It should be illegal to charge more because you use more.
 
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That's crazy Ice. It should be illegal to charge to charge more because you use more.

When I lived in Fort Collins, my condo was on the demand plan, where a significant portion of the bill was based on the highest draw of electricity at one time over the last month. So, if you turned all of your appliances, lights, heat, AC, etc. on at once for the minimum duration of time that the utility measured demand rates, you could significantly increase your bill based on that short burst of demand.
 
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That's crazy Ice. It should be illegal to charge to charge more because you use more.

I completely agree, the cost of electricity here is ridiculous, and even more to charge me to use more of it is stupid... Imagine if they did that with gasoline how pissed america would be... 1-5 gallons $4 a gallon, 5-15 gallons $5 a gallon, 15-20 gallons, $6 a gallon... what an uproar it would cause...

I guess this is why personally I am always looking to save on electricity use and costs....robbery I tell ya! LOL
 
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When I lived in Fort Collins, my condo was on the demand plan, where a significant portion of the bill was based on the highest draw of electricity at one time over the last month. So, if you turned all of your appliances, lights, heat, AC, etc. on at once for the minimum duration of time that the utility measured demand rates, you could significantly increase your bill based on that short burst of demand.

Wow, that is insane, they set your pricing based on a peak!!! wow!! I can't believe they get away with all of these rates! No wonder Tesla's patents for free energy were bought up by JP morgan and never released.... Thiefs!!
 
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Wow, that is insane, they set your pricing based on a peak!!! wow!! I can't believe they get away with all of these rates! No wonder Tesla's patents for free energy were bought up by JP morgan and never released.... Thiefs!!

Yeah, now the rates for actual electricity usage were very low but you had to watch your demand. Demand limiters/watchers were used to shut down circuits on a priority basis to lower the demand rate but they were expensive. I used to shut off the heat and hot water when I did my laundry and only ran the dishwasher at night and I rarely went over a peak of 5 kW.
 
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When I lived in Northglenn (North Denver), I was in a 3-level apartment building. The individual units weren't metered, and the bills were simply based on your square footage with everyone in the building paying the same rate per square foot. So, being wasteful, barely-adult, college kids we always left everything on. You'd think everyone would hate on us, but my roommate was moving a QP a week, so we always had weed, and we practically had a perpetual keg tapped, so they would all hang out in our hut anyway. Oh, and we even had HBO and Playboy channel. :cheesygrinsmiley:

That was in 1982.
 
Re: Icemud's Grow 8.0 - New Intelligent-Gro LED - 2 x IGRO-228 LED - Testing And Revi

When I lived in Northglenn (North Denver), I was in a 3-level apartment building. The individual units weren't metered, and the bills were simply based on your square footage with everyone in the building paying the same rate per square foot. So, being wasteful, barely-adult, college kids we always left everything on. You'd think everyone would hate on us, but my roommate was moving a QP a week, so we always had weed, and we practically had a perpetual keg tapped, so they would all hang out in our hut anyway. Oh, and we even had HBO and Playboy channel. :cheesygrinsmiley:

That was in 1982.

Sounds like my college dorm rooms with the ppv and premium channels. I remember back in those days, I wired our entire dorm floor to 1 cable box and we all chipped in to receive the premium package. I defintitely shocked myself numerous times running the coaxil cable through the electric boxes in the cinderblock wall....120v hurts like a mofo!! LOL....ahh the good old days... hahaha
 
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Looking forward to the flip ice, see how the girls like the change in spectrum, cause they seem to be loving the veg.
 
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Looking forward to the flip ice, see how the girls like the change in spectrum, cause they seem to be loving the veg.

I too look forward to flipping the girls to flower, I can't wait and it will be very soon :) They definitely are loving the Intelligent grow veg program :)
 
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ice do you know if there is somewhere to learn about the advantages and the science of the programs and custom schedules?

I don't have any specifics that I can remember, but I will check my bookmarks and see if I have anything saved. Best thing to do would be to search the net for things like "photo period manipulation" "blue light effects on plants" "red light effect on plants" and this may lead you in the right direction. I will see what I can find.
 
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I have dug into red, blue and photo period manipulation. I actually am experimenting with a GLR that gives an hour of dark withing the light period based on the theory that rubisco would be depleted by 6-7 hours of full on steady state photo synthesis. (7 on, 1 0ff, 7 on,4 off, 1 on, 4 off.)

I am more interested in the science behind the engineering of the lamp you're testing. Do we know for sure that mimicking natural solar dynamics is an improvement over the basic light on lights off?

Thanks for your consideration.

Ludweed
 
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I have dug into red, blue and photo period manipulation. I actually am experimenting with a GLR that gives an hour of dark withing the light period based on the theory that rubisco would be depleted by 6-7 hours of full on steady state photo synthesis. (7 on, 1 0ff, 7 on,4 off, 1 on, 4 off.)

I am more interested in the science behind the engineering of the lamp you're testing. Do we know for sure that mimicking natural solar dynamics is an improvement over the basic light on lights off?

Thanks for your consideration.

Ludweed

Its a great question, however, I am only sponsored to try the light out, and had no participation with creation, manufacture or anything like that, so I have no clue what the "reasoning" or "science" behind the dimming schedule. These are the things that come to mind...


One light for many uses... with most LED lights, your stuck with one spectrum and thats it. So say your in veg, and you want to encourage your plants to have tighter internodes. With most LED lights, you would have to buy a blue LED light to help tighten up the nodes, with Intelligent Gro all you have to do is turn down the reds, and turn up the blues... advantage for the custom schedules.

The same goes for a tight bushy plant that you want to make stretch more. With a single fixed spectrum light, you would have to go out and purchase more red led's to accomplish more stretch. With Intelligent LED you only have to dial down the blues, and increase the red intensity.

I was reading into this last night, and it seems that at the noon/mid day point, plants go through a photosynthesis depression, the most active photosynthesis takes place at sunrise, until noon, and then slowly tapers off towards the night period. So with this being said, it would make most sense to give plants the most light during the beginning of the daylight period, and at the midway/noon point, start tapering off the intensity of light. This would be possible with a custom light, but not for a LED with fixed ratios and intensities.

Another piece of info I found last night when reading is that very intense blue light spectrums, will actually slightly hinder photosynthesis if there is too much blue. What happens is the chloroplasts instead of spreading across the leaf surface during dim/fairly intense blue light, but in the presense of very intense blue light, the chloroplasts group together on the vertical surfaces from the blue light source, which reduce the efficiency of converting blue light to energy. So by having control over your blue light output, I believe as we know more about this, it may also be a good reason to have custom control.

Another benefit....Power savings... as mentioned a few posts ago, last page before this... having a light that dims can save a great deal of power over the course of a cycle. As many of us know, young vegging plants do not need as much intense lighting as a flowering plant, so when you have a LED with a fixed output intensity, a lot of this light and energy is wasted if used on small vegging plants, in which the Intelligent Gro lights can be dimmed to save power, and give the plants exactly what they need. Another plus.

These are just a few things that I have found regarding light manipulation, and I'm sure there is much more. I encourage all of you to do some research and post your findings here, the more we know, the better we can grow!
 
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That's really interesting ice, especially about the early morning giving plants more, how long does it take them to fall asleep, then how much rest do they need before going again. Cause that could change glr timing, 7-5-7-5 ?? Wonder?

A way to counter the custom features would be to over light your area with say three panels, all on in morning, turn off middle one in afternoon another a few hours later then lights off. Idk, it may have a similar effect. Just thinking out aloud with these comments :)
 
Re: Icemud's Grow 8.0 - New Intelligent-Gro LED - 2 x IGRO-228 LED - Testing And Revi

That's really interesting ice, especially about the early morning giving plants more, how long does it take them to fall asleep, then how much rest do they need before going again. Cause that could change glr timing, 7-5-7-5 ?? Wonder?

A way to counter the custom features would be to over light your area with say three panels, all on in morning, turn off middle one in afternoon another a few hours later then lights off. Idk, it may have a similar effect. Just thinking out aloud with these comments :)

Its very interesting and needs more reading on my part to better understand the plant reactions. Since Light intensity and CO2 uptake also affect each other, it would be nice to be able to program the levels of CO2 to peak at the most intense lighting, and fall with the dimming of the lights. Now just to find out the right balances of all of this and how it would benefit us.
 
Re: Icemud's Grow 8.0 - New Intelligent-Gro LED - 2 x IGRO-228 LED - Testing And Revi

Just wanted to give a quick photo update of the girls...

I so want to flip them to flowering, but I have to wait about another week or 2 until my other tent opens up, unless I decide to cull some of my plants in my breeding project and limit it to just a few plants at a time, but I would rather not because it will set me back in my feminized seed making schedule. So I guess I just have to be patient and let the plant grow taller :) nothing wrong with large plants :)

The soil is still pretty moist from the feeding a few days ago so I am going to hold off for at least 3 more days if not more before starting another feeding batch.

Well not much else to report besides the girls are looking amazing!!

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