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[Light Addict]

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Personally the brix thing is a route I don't want to go down. Instead of taking readings we should strive to just read our plants! I'm all about the relationship and love any symbiosis where possible!
I have no doubt brix and that path has its merits, yet I like to feel it all myself!

Best of buds my pal and bravo for going so in depth so often! Your a proper credit to 420!

 

[Icemud]

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Shigg did make a valid point, and you make the best point. Studies in this area lack..far to much..


I posted an article or 2 about this somewhere around these forums. not in MJ, but other plant species and their communicating. Interesting stuff.
Id like to see a Brix grower start growing for studies and not harvests. A bit much to ask i know.. But were never going to advance if everyones only interested in how big/potent their last harvest was. And i personally believe MJ has alot more to offer then what we currently know.

I think we will get there, especially with all the states going legal now a days. Its funny because when I want to get to the bottom of a topic, usually I find the information in depth in 2 places, either research lab abstracts or cannabis forums. You never find tomato forums or gardening forums that take these concepts so deep I think we all love our beloved Mary Jane so much we area all willing to go that extra mile. I know that one of the few Labs, GW pharmaceuticals does a ton of cannabis research in the lab, and my hopes are the more the stigma of "evil marijuana" goes away, the more we will all learn Plants are so complex its not even funny, I was watching videos last night to get a better grasp of photon excitation within the chloroplasts and man, even the process of how a photon is used is so complex its amazing. I honestly think us MJ growers will revolutionize the agricultural industry before they get to it

 

[Icemud]

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Personally the brix thing is a route I don't want to go down. Instead of taking readings we should strive to just read our plants! I'm all about the relationship and love any symbiosis where possible!
I have no doubt brix and that path has its merits, yet I like to feel it all myself!

Best of buds my pal and bravo for going so in depth so often! Your a proper credit to 420!

Thanks LA!.

I was going down the high brix path, until I figured I would just follow my interest in lighting and leave the soil ratios and details up to those who thrive on that info, for me lights and light reaction is my strong point and where I thrive I did find that using the concepts of high brix did help me produce better quality product in the long run, but the specifics like soil tests and all didn't encourage me to go the extra mile, being that my organic semi-psudo understanding of brix got me readings above 20 many times without the need for lab tests and specific feeding regiments.

For me it was fairly easy to understand and do, lots of calcium, little nitrogen, happy soil food web, and high carbon counts in the soil...the rest just seemed to fall into place I stopped taking readings except once and a while because it was a lot of extra work, to really not get much besides a number which isn't really even well understood, and the only thing for me was using it as a goal to beat each grow, or a guideline to alter my feedings if I didn't see the levels I was seeking.

I do like that it seems the higher brix plants have deeper flavors and more complexity, but its also not a proven thing and just something I believe myself, but also could be the results of the placebo effect too I just like healthy plants period, organics and nothing harmful or toxic. The rest is really less important to me personally, and if I happen to get a good brix reading here and there, hooray, and if not, well no worries as long as I have some good organic buds as a result of my efforts Appreciate the good vibes my friend High Yield Ahead

 

[Graytail]

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I'm quite sure that I've taken and published more Brix readings on cannabis plants than anyone else on the forum, perhaps anyone else at all. For well over a year I took 2-3 readings on each of 7-8 plants every week. Now I only do it sporadically. If a plant looks unusually good or bad I'll check it out, and I still get a reading at harvest. For a long time, I've thought it was unfortunate that Doc chose to name the method High Brix, since none of the users, including Doc, take Brix readings any more often than I do. All this crowing about how great HB is, and no one even measures it.

A refractometer is just a tool, and the readings are just vague measures. The important part is the soil composition. If you start with the mineral ratios that the Kit is designed to provide, you'll have an advantage - it doesn't matter how you get there. Then, since we know what's in the soil, we can use custom foliars and drenches. Anyone can do the same. Or create your own soil composition as always, and use nutrients designed for that soil. "The Kit' is just an easy way to do that. And it typically turns out well above average.

I recently compared it to machines at the gym. If you want to use free weights, great - they're the best. But if you're not sure what you're doing, if your joints and connective tissues aren't strong and well built, if you don't have a spotter ... etc ... machines are a great way to do the job without worrying about something going very badly.



Brix is a canard. It's not what makes the plants turn out so well. My whiteflies have always descended on the least healthy plant tissue. They distinguish between plants and between leaves on a plant, and they always go for the yellowing leaves and the weaker plants. The rest show no sign of being bothered by them. I doubt if there is much difference between a 12 or 18 Brix plant, but I'm sure there's a difference between a 6 and 12 Brix. Whiteflies would kill a 6 Brix plant in a week.

And lastly, Brix reads dissolved solids - ALL dissolved solids, no matter what they might be. Some of them don't necessarily contribute to plant health. The point is to use it to compare different plants under similar conditions. They should all be healthy in the first place. A Brix reading can tell you when one plant is lagging or doing better, and then you can adjust nutrients. It's a quick and easy test.

 

[Graytail]

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Crap. Double post.

 

[Icemud]

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I'm quite sure that I've taken and published more Brix readings on cannabis plants than anyone else on the forum, perhaps anyone else at all. For well over a year I took 2-3 readings on each of 7-8 plants every week. Now I only do it sporadically. If a plant looks unusually good or bad I'll check it out, and I still get a reading at harvest. For a long time, I've thought it was unfortunate that Doc chose to name the method High Brix, since none of the users, including Doc, take Brix readings any more often than I do. All this crowing about how great HB is, and no one even measures it.

A refractometer is just a tool, and the readings are just vague measures. The important part is the soil composition. If you start with the mineral ratios that the Kit is designed to provide, you'll have an advantage - it doesn't matter how you get there. Then, since we know what's in the soil, we can use custom foliars and drenches. Anyone can do the same. Or create your own soil composition as always, and use nutrients designed for that soil. "The Kit' is just an easy way to do that. And it typically turns out well above average.

I recently compared it to machines at the gym. If you want to use free weights, great - they're the best. But if you're not sure what you're doing, if your joints and connective tissues aren't strong and well built, if you don't have a spotter ... etc ... machines are a great way to do the job without worrying about something going very badly.



Brix is a canard. It's not what makes the plants turn out so well. My whiteflies have always descended on the least healthy plant tissue. They distinguish between plants and between leaves on a plant, and they always go for the yellowing leaves and the weaker plants. The rest show no sign of being bothered by them. I doubt if there is much difference between a 12 or 18 Brix plant, but I'm sure there's a difference between a 6 and 12 Brix. Whiteflies would kill a 6 Brix plant in a week.

And lastly, Brix reads dissolved solids - ALL dissolved solids, no matter what they might be. Some of them don't necessarily contribute to plant health. The point is to use it to compare different plants under similar conditions. They should all be healthy in the first place. A Brix reading can tell you when one plant is lagging or doing better, and then you can adjust nutrients. It's a quick and easy test.

Hey Graytail,

Hope you enjoyed reading the research study on brix, I found it interesting for the most part. I was hoping you would post your thoughts as I definitely hold you up among the brix godfathers

I still definitely prefer a higher brix plant over a lower brix plant because it does mean that the plant is healthy happy and doing what it should how nature intended it and then enhanced a bit on top of that I agree that the kits and soil tests are definitely the way to go for those that want a simple effect A to B type grow where they can pretty much always good results. I still haven't tried the kit yet as I was getting good results with my organics and custom soil blend, and as Doc recommends minimum of 7 gallon pots I just never got around to doing larger pots with the exception of my 1 grow with 15 gallons smartpots. My 5's just wouldn't do it justice according to doc so I've held off since my grassroots approach (haha grass roots)LOL was working for me and the results were always good. Needless to say I still will try it in the future because I'm curious the differences I will witness, may even be fun to do a side by side in the future, but it will be a while with all the projects and "want to do's" keep piling up.

I did find it interesting though that they found no direct relationships to brix itself and then took it further to look at the individual nutrients and pest pressure, was very interesting to me

By the way, thanks for the vocab lesson "Canard". I had to google it, and learned something new love it!

It is funny how we are all brix growers, enthusiasts and more, and hardly any of us test our brix anymore. I mainly will only test about 1x per grow now, and usually when the leaves look shiny and healthy, I check, just to see where the plants are at but other than that I've just kept doing the do, and not measuring it too much. Its a shame because by now with all your strains you have run in the soil and grows, among everyone else doing it, we would have a crapton of data compiled by now to see strains and how the brix levels differ.

I like the gym/weightlifting analogy, definitely more of a free weights guy myself... I get free weight when I eat LOL but really, I do prefer the free weights when working out. In growing I'm I guess the same way, sometimes strain a muscle and have to look at what I did wrong, but for me its just always worked for the most part at getting the results I was hoping for. I definitely love higher brix plants for taste, and the high which both seem to me very complex vs other methods.

As always I appreciate your input, wisdom and friendship Graytail, and your plants are looking really good in your last updates!!! Cheers!

 

[Icemud]

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Hey everyone!

So its been a while that I have posted photos of my other 2 tents so I figured I would share what is going on with them.


My 2x4 extra tent...

In this tent I have all my newly rooted clones of the strains:

blue dream, fire og, area 51, black diamond og, and 2 black cherry sodas, along with my tangie clones/vegging copies #2, #4, #5

I culled my old mother of blue dream as it just wasn't happy in the soil it was in, and I over watered it early in veg and it never recovered, so I cloned it to grow a healthy version and tonight culled the mother and added the leaves to my soil bin. My black cherry soda mother died on me as well as it was just very old (probably about 1 year in the same pot and soil) and I kept trimming/chopping it back down to small size as it kept getting larger and growing, which stunted it, caused it to shoot out pistils like it was preflowering and then eventually died. Luckily I saw it coming and decided to take clones and took the 2 best rooted clones and put them in soil in the 2 gallon pots. The rest of the clones in this tent will be used after the current Budmaster COB grow is done because as promised I want to grow with a full veg to harvest cycle with the lights to really see their full potential. The remaining tangies in this tent are there until I harvest and try the current grow, and either will get kept or I may just flower them out with a few other mothers I have going currently in a upcoming grow, as soon as the current Tangies are done.

My larger Veg/mother tent:

This tent is typically my mother/veg tent and currently I have the larger plants in the back which are (left to right): Black Diamond OG, Area 51, Fire OG, and Ogiesel. I most likely will be flowering all 4 of these in an upcoming grow, but I am not 100% decided on what 6 plants will go in there. Its going to be a pretty much put the plants in and flip 12/12 grow, with the exception of taking cuttings from my Ogiesel before I flower. I may even start them after I get back from Holiday vacation.

The plants in the front are 3 of the tangies: #6, #2 and #8 which are some of the stronger candidates for keeping but also just moved them there because of lack of room in the 2x4 tent. The other smaller clone/vegging plants are Harlequin and what I think is Area 51 (I made a mistake and didn't label it right away, which made me rely on memory and its either black diamond og, or area 51 and I couldn't be certain, so most likely I will cull it to make room for the other plants. The Harlequin is a rooted clone from my mother I culled tonight, as it was just old and decrepit looking and I wanted a nice fresh plant in my garden with fresh soil. I'm not sure if the Harlequin will go into my upcomming Budmaster COB grow or I will just veg it to mother for now, which is still being decided, but in a few weeks once the current Tangie grow is done, then I will decide.

The flowering tent, Day 51 (from the flip)

This tent is doing very very well and continues to get more stink every single day. The trichomes are now starting to really fill in the buds and they are definitely getting more mature by the day. Some of them look like they may be done in the next 2 weeks but some look like they could go another month, so only time, calyx's and trichome color will tell

The plants haven't been sucking up as much water as earlier veg, so I held off watering them today and most likely will water them tomorrow. This next feeding will just be very minimal in terms of nutrients as I want to give them a break from the heavier feedings I have been doing this grow, so I mixed up 5 gallons of R/O water and added: equillibrium (1-1-2, 12/2 Cal/mag) and deuce deuce which is a natural potassium sulfate 0-0-22 with some fulvic acid. I didn't add any extra N since the last feedings had both hydrolyzed fish and hydrolyzed squid and the plants are getting to that point where N is really not going to be needed much more, so what is in the soil should carry them for the rest of the grow.

Other than that, not much else to report on the flowering tent

 

[DankWolf907]

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Beautiful bushes!

 

[Icemud]

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Beautiful bushes!

Thank you DankWolf!!! They smell amazing!

 

[DankWolf907]

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Pffft! What a tease!!

Just walked in my bedroom, where the flower room resides, finally starting to pick up the stink factor.

 

[Icemud]

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Pffft! What a tease!!

Just walked in my bedroom, where the flower room resides, finally starting to pick up the stink factor.

Your plants are looking really healthy DankWolf! and frosty early on too! Looks like your going to have some fantastic flowers!

 

[drcannabi]

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Awesome update icemud. Just finished your "3x Advanced LED XTE 300's:BIG POTS, Black Cherry Cola, Ogiesel, Harlequin" journal. Great stuff.

 

[Icemud]

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Awesome update icemud. Just finished your "3x Advanced LED XTE 300's:BIG POTS, Black Cherry Cola, Ogiesel, Harlequin" journal. Great stuff.

I am really happy to hear that you enjoyed it!!! Thanks for reading it and for the luv! respect!

 

[Icemud]

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Oohhhhhhh so excited!!!!!!!


Sweet news coming shortly!!!!

 

[Icemud]

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There Here!!!

 

[Icemud]

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[drcannabi]

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Early Christmas!

NICE!!!

 

[Icemud]

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Early Christmas!

NICE!!!

I'm super stoked, It was something that was totally unexpected and then about a week ago, Paul at Budmaster decided that he wanted to offer me the GOD panels to run!!! I was completely ecstatic! Very awesome Christmas Gift Budmaster!!!!

 

[Light Addict]

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Happy daze my friend!

 

[420Brother]

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