Icemud LED Grow Featuring The All New Budmaster COB Technology - White Full Spectrum

[Icemud]

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IMHO the quality produced by the GOD is as good as it gets. With your green thumb, I'm certain you will be impressed with the dankness of the herbs.

You said before that the fire was a clone. Do you know if it was originally a seed from OGR? I believe he's credited for creating the strain (not 100% sure on that). I've got a pack of his fire og but have held off as there is rumored to be an extremely hi male to female ratio. Depending on your smoke report I may crack those babies anyways!

I actually don't know the source of the clone of the Fire OG. I got it from the same "clone hacks" that sold me a male area 51, 3 dead no root GDP's and a blue dream that popped pollen sacks in veg... so I'm really not to confident on the strain, the reliability or even the genetics. I do know its some type of OG by the growth structure and looks, but not even 100% sure its Fire OG because the source I got them from was such a mess. The strain fire OG though is very popular here, and has been used to breed into other genetics as of lately as there are a lot of fire og crosses locally.

 

[Icemud]

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Nice early frost you got there Ice. BM Lights appear to be beatin' it. Also looks like you have a runaway cola! Ya garden is pure joy to behold Ice. I'm up and running now,journal-wise You should check me out when you have a chance.

Stay Fristy,
CanEye

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[Icemud]

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Hey Ice,

The tents look great! I am blown away by your grows as usual. Other than the increased frostiness, can you tell any other benefits from using the BM over the Advanced? I am excited to see the results, but am curious as to the cost/benefit from using the Advanced compared to the BM. Thanks for being you and sharing all of this goodness with us.

Hey Bamalabrat!!!

Thanks for the big ups

I really at this time cant compare since the grow is young, and the panels are different wattages. (it wouldn't be a fair comparison).
Also since this is a sponsored journal, I'm not allowed to compare competing brands and sponsors here at 420 Mag, just part of my agreements to do these tests.

 

[Dr Bob]

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I do not think I will be showing my veg girls those lights anytime soon. They would be jealous for sure. Those budmasters are quite sweet.


Bob

 

[Hozona]

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Surfing through chewing some popcorn
I will be peeking in now and then

 

[drcannabi]

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I actually don't know the source of the clone of the Fire OG. I got it from the same "clone hacks" that sold me a male area 51, 3 dead no root GDP's and a blue dream that popped pollen sacks in veg... so I'm really not to confident on the strain, the reliability or even the genetics. I do know its some type of OG by the growth structure and looks, but not even 100% sure its Fire OG because the source I got them from was such a mess. The strain fire OG though is very popular here, and has been used to breed into other genetics as of lately as there are a lot of fire og crosses locally.

Thank you Ice Machine (that's what Mrs Cannabi calls you lol)! I'm so sorry you have to go through that BS bud. I can't wait for the day when we're able to get the real deal from the source in a usps package!

 

[Bamalabrat]

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Hey Bamalabrat!!!

Thanks for the big ups

I really at this time cant compare since the grow is young, and the panels are different wattages. (it wouldn't be a fair comparison).
Also since this is a sponsored journal, I'm not allowed to compare competing brands and sponsors here at 420 Mag, just part of my agreements to do these tests.

Thanks for the explanation Ice. I was not aware of the restrictions. Will you at the end of the grow post dry weight? That would then be useful as a comparison to a small degree. My thinking is; Grower skill being the single biggest factor in a grow, the second being the genetics, third would be the feed plan, and fourth is the equipment with the lights being the biggest factor of the equipment. I put environmental with grower skill and equipment. That is just my opinion. So in my estimate, you growing genetics that you have some familiarity with, and all other factors being equal, use a different light and get different outcomes is a pretty good indication of what the light source can provide. That is the only reason why I ask. I obviously would not want you to break any agreements or what not and would not ask you to. Thanks again for being you and for sharing your grows and insight with us. Keep being you!

 

[Icemud]

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Thank you Ice Machine (that's what Mrs Cannabi calls you lol)! I'm so sorry you have to go through that BS bud. I can't wait for the day when we're able to get the real deal from the source in a usps package!

Yea Ive ran into amazing clone suppliers and bad ones. The problem here is that most clone suppliers only want to do large quantity transactions, like 50-200 clones a purchase, so trying to get just 1 or 2 is not easy. I can't wait for the day where it can be ordered online, verified genetics and mailed next day that will be awesome

 

[Icemud]

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Thanks for the explanation Ice. I was not aware of the restrictions. Will you at the end of the grow post dry weight? That would then be useful as a comparison to a small degree. My thinking is; Grower skill being the single biggest factor in a grow, the second being the genetics, third would be the feed plan, and fourth is the equipment with the lights being the biggest factor of the equipment. I put environmental with grower skill and equipment. That is just my opinion. So in my estimate, you growing genetics that you have some familiarity with, and all other factors being equal, use a different light and get different outcomes is a pretty good indication of what the light source can provide. That is the only reason why I ask. I obviously would not want you to break any agreements or what not and would not ask you to. Thanks again for being you and for sharing your grows and insight with us. Keep being you!

Hey Bamalabrat!

I definitely will post yield results at the end of the grow. I use this for a somewhat comparison of my growing efficiency, however since I don't have a set feeding schedule, and a lot of variables change, its only really a meer reference. A lot of the time what I personally do, is I will pull up my old journals and open a few of them to my current grow time, and compare the strains photos. It gives me a nice visual comparison as well of different light sources, at equal time in the grow, on a particular strain. Its really hard to compare though because I don't have a "dialed in" way of doing things, for instance sometimes I top the plants, sometimes I top them alot, sometimes I may flower a plant that is 2 months old, sometimes a plant that is 6 months to a year old. I don't have a set feeding schedule either so grow to grow it changes slightly as well. It really hard in my personal setup to compare grows just because of the differences with each grow, which is why my gram/watt comparisons really are just a reference and personal goal, but not accurate data.

I wish I had a better way to actually compare, and I guess the only way in my setup would be side by side trials. The reason I don't do this is my flowering space is also where my meds are produced, and side by sides I wouldn't be able to train or top my plants which would most likely lower my yield resulting in less meds. I wish I had more space to actually have another tent or 2 so I could do side by sides, as I would love to, but just don't have the space to do them, and also have good yields.

I will try though to figure out a way for the future that maybe comparisons can be made, really i need an integrated sphere, spectrometer, and a photogonio meter and then I could produce actual data on luminous effiency, PPF and more.

 

[CaneyeBus]

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So I was doing a little reading today and was curious about different plant hormones and I think I may have struck gold.. well not quite yet, but I found something that may have some possibility to it... jasmonic acid or Methyl Jasmonate. Its a natural plant hormone that is triggered during insect attacts or infestation that has shown to cause an increase in VOC, terpenes and tricomes, and when added with Gibberrelic acid they even saw a 93% increase in trichome formation...very interesting


So then I was looking for natural sources of jasmonic acid... and just so happened to be making some oolong tea, when suddenly I came across some information that methyl jasmonate is typically used with oolong tea for the flavors....hmmmmm should I pour some tea into my foliar spray and nutrient tea.... hmmmm well what does it hurt haha

So I ended up putting some oolong tea into my compost tea as well as adding some to my compost tea foliar feeding and sprayed my plants. Not sure if it will do anything or not, but hey, cant really hurt I guess either... so now my plants smell nicely of mint oolong cannabis hahah

I was reading that another source of the jasmonic acid is in sage brush, and that even sage brush growing in the same reletive area can effect the nearby plants through their sensing of the VOC's the sage brush releases, in the forms of Methyl Jasmonate...its basically putting out a warning scent that other plants pick up and makes them prepare for insect attack, raising the terpenes, oils, trichome counts and other processes in a stress repsonse..... very interesting stuff... so maybe even planting a small jasmine plant or sage brush in my tent might influence the plants.. or just putting one in the grow area during certain parts of flowering. I found on another forum that people have used a spray version on their plants and definitely noticed more trichomes as well as a better flavor/smell... since its natural I wonder how it would work for cannabis and enhancing the potency

I find this interesting,as I am always experimenting(only small clone/s out of the cloner & into as small as a 16oz cup up to 2ltr pop bottle). Looks like I've found yet another thing to "try" thanks. I have some reading to do now. The sage intrigues me as well. I wonder if the sage releases the VOCs if they are manipulated, or is it just an natural occurance, being that it would be in tent with no "threat".

Goodness grief, thanks a lot Icemud!

 

[Icemud]

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Hey Everyone...

So today makes day 29 of flowering and things are coming along quite nicely as the girls continue to get frostier and the buds slowly are getting larger and more full. Still quite some time to go

So today I decided to check some Brix readings to see where the plants were at.


Taking the measurements was at hour 5 of the daylight period which is typically when I try to take my readings, at the point of highest metabolism which would be my plants 11am hour..noon.

I took a sample where I always do, about 4-5 nodes down from the top, a fully developed leaf, and usually I take one that is covering another budsite so removing it serves 2 purposes

Here are the results:


Tangie #3: 14 brix
Ogiesel: 15-16 brix
Tangie #5: 15-16 brix
Tangie #6 (purple pheno): 17-18 brix
Fire OG: 18 Brix:
Black Diamond OG: 15-16 Brix
Tangie #8: 17-18 brix

I also noticed that many of these tests were not completely a defined line but more of a gradual shading which is supposed to mean more TDS.

Photos are in the same order as the test... Leaf first, then brix reading, starting at Tangie #3.

 

[Icemud]

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I find this interesting,as I am always experimenting(only small clone/s out of the cloner & into as small as a 16oz cup up to 2ltr pop bottle). Looks like I've found yet another thing to "try" thanks. I have some reading to do now. The sage intrigues me as well. I wonder if the sage releases the VOCs if they are manipulated, or is it just an natural occurance, being that it would be in tent with no "threat".

Goodness grief, thanks a lot Icemud!

 

[Graytail]

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Stellar Brix readings, Ice!

I noticed all the purple petioles. Doc always said that was a sign of lower Brix, but apparently not in this case. I notice because I usually have some red and purple in mine too, during a time when the leaves look very robust - been puzzling me.

I'm also getting very high readings at harvest. I thought it might be whitefly honey, but I've even tested buds after the wash, and I can still get readings over 20.

 

[Icemud]

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Stellar Brix readings, Ice!

I noticed all the purple petioles. Doc always said that was a sign of lower Brix, but apparently not in this case. I notice because I usually have some red and purple in mine too, during a time when the leaves look very robust - been puzzling me.

I'm also getting very high readings at harvest. I thought it might be whitefly honey, but I've even tested buds after the wash, and I can still get readings over 20.

Thanks Graytail! Not too shabby for bottle feeding them and not really following my high brix regiments

I honestly don't really know about the purple petioles. I think on most of my grows I usually have them by mid flowering and I've read so many things about possible causes ranging from normal to deficiency in P or Mg, but none of it has really been solid sources of information so I'm clueless too. My thoughts were that because my plants are always under pretty intense lighting, it could be a build up of anthocyanins to act as a sunscreen, but I don't really know and that just my guess. The reason I think it may be true though is that the purple petiloes are darkest purple closest to the lights and as you gradually move down the main stem, each node gets slightly lighter and greener than the last, and near the middle and bottom of the plant all the petioles are green. So I thought maybe it could be a type of sunscreen for higher irradiance levels of light. Not sure though.

Wow, 20 is really good! I think that my OG might hit 20 in a few weeks as she matures as its just shy of it right now

I will look into the purple petiole thing when I get some time this week and we will see if I can maybe dig up some answers for us

 

[Icemud]

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Today makes day 29 of flowering (from the flip) and the ladies are progressing nicely. Yesterday I gave them a feeding of some earthjuice tea with added hydrolyzed fish and doubled the amount of water volume so I will be waiting for a couple extra days to feed them again as the soil will take slightly longer to dry. Other than that not much else to report on today... so here are some pics !!

 

[millertm]

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Great looking flowers, were close in time too so it's great to compare to my grow. You'll have some killer Kolas in no time.

Cheers

 

[Fuzzy Duck]

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Ye been awhile so i best pop in for a nosey.

GOD looks amazing with health 'n' frost, COB ah those girls must be around 10 weeks at best from last count roughly ??? but i'm pleased to see the def thing looks to be reasonable tame & more likely would of agreed with Mg perhaps a ph issue or lack of nutrients or may be that just ol leds may create Ca / Mg issues, who knows ?


I don't PH correct nutrients & never have done !

I'm firm believer that the soil PH value is the most single important value to under stand some where between PH 6 & 7 should be just fine for most macro nutrients to work & that micro nutrients are often a chelated form not sure about organic nutrients tho ? which make em work over a wider range of PH.

Organic & chelated, i'm not sure if that works to organic standards ? as it appears some bonding of what ever perhaps a chemical process to make micro nutrients available over a larger range is at play ?

Yes i use to use organic bottled stuff but know use the more chemical salt based nutrients, i don't or never PH correct either of em ! doing just fine even tho i have checked tap water which holds an average PH of 6.5 & 500 ppm for around a few years of soil growing.


Also i'm aware the soil is self buffering by nature & general returns to ambient levels with in 24 hours after feeding /watering !


Just going to point this out, PH up or down are acids in the acidic or alkaline range which can come in different % strengths & that most nutrients are acidic in nature, we are also looking at PH range of water used to what we use.

Knowing that PH up/down has more likely got a PH value & i'm pretty sure most peeps calibrate their PH pen in PH solution once in awhile will click on to this... but do these PH up/downs sit in the soil altering PH over time & that is the question !

 

[CaneyeBus]

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Thanks Graytail! Not too shabby for bottle feeding them and not really following my high brix regiments

I honestly don't really know about the purple petioles. I think on most of my grows I usually have them by mid flowering and I've read so many things about possible causes ranging from normal to deficiency in P or Mg, but none of it has really been solid sources of information so I'm clueless too. My thoughts were that because my plants are always under pretty intense lighting, it could be a build up of anthocyanins to act as a sunscreen, but I don't really know and that just my guess. The reason I think it may be true though is that the purple petiloes are darkest purple closest to the lights and as you gradually move down the main stem, each node gets slightly lighter and greener than the last, and near the middle and bottom of the plant all the petioles are green. So I thought maybe it could be a type of sunscreen for higher irradiance levels of light. Not sure though.

Wow, 20 is really good! I think that my OG might hit 20 in a few weeks as she matures as its just shy of it right now

I will look into the purple petiole thing when I get some time this week and we will see if I can maybe dig up some answers for us

Icemud, Conrandino asked me about me petioles or made note of them on my green crack. I had the same thought as you"sunscreen" just not as eloquently put.

Stay Frosty,
canEyeBus.

 

[CaneyeBus]

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Thank you for this. Looks like i'll be sourcing some MJ.

Stay Frosty,
CanEyeBus

 

[Icemud]

Re: Icemud LED Grow Featuring The All New Budmaster COB Technology - White Full Spect

Great looking flowers, were close in time too so it's great to compare to my grow. You'll have some killer Kolas in no time.

Cheers

Thanks Millertm! I can't wait until these babies are done