Have a good one hyena, the lab is looking good as always. Do you supercrop many fans when you do a tuck on a plant?
Hyena's Never-Ending Adventures In Growing
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Yes, especially when the plants are in the first 6-7 weeks. I only remove the few that can't be supercropped.
The large fan leaves survive just fine using this method, the last grow I experimented with this and the large fan leaves that were supercropped remained alive and I'm sure they continued to add food for the plant while not blocking out the branches.
Peace, Hyena
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Happy Tuesday!
Time for a
PROJECT 28 UPDATE!
How time flies when you're having fun...just back from four days in Northern Michigan and the girls are growing up very fast. I love that I can just live a normal life and only have to check in very occasionally on my grow lab, and everything just keeps right on cooking. Popped in there after the trip and it's a pleasant 70 degrees and sunny, all the little ladies just growing like weeds. Checked the reservoir...PH a perfect 5.8, exactly where I left it 4 days ago. Okay it isn't always quite that perfect but it does show the stability of reservoir chemistry that is achievable when one does not over-use liquid nutrients in hydroponic growing. Sure, it feels good to add nutes, it's like you're feeding your babies and giving them love. But adding nutes much beyond the basics they need for growth (which ain't much brothers and sisters) is the root of problems. So far in PROJECT 28 I have only added 1/4 of the manufacturer's recommended levels of nutrients, if that, and every leaf tip is absolutely perfect. That's really the only way I trust to judge the health of my plants because it's so revealing of every little problem. The tips will tell!
Everyone is hitting the scrog level now and we are starting to re-route the copious branches.
Right side:
Front and back girls are popping and perfect. Middle one which started a week later and was one of my three candidates for pollen mother is catching up fast. I think I have decided to let her be a part of the general grow and just leave her there. I can use her to work toward the center and fill the eventual gap that will be created when the pollen mother plant is removed.
Center row:
The girl in back is a monster. She is simply exploding for only being about 40 days into life. The two front girls are now vying to become the pollen mother. It's interesting how the center plant was a burned-up and dying sprout and now looks so amazingly vigorous. I still can't get over the resilience of the cannabis plant! It's almost like it should be the mother just because of the achievement of being alive, it just showed so much strength and regenerative power coming back from almost certain doom. So why not incorporate that into all Blue Hyena descendants?
The other factor is phenotypes...Almost all these 9 plants have looked identical so far, as far as I can tell. But now it appears we have two phenos, at least to me. The front plant in the middle has much wider leaves than the others, likely an indicator of two distinct versions. This is a more Indica-typical leaf shape so I'm quite curious where this is coming from and what it means.
Blue Hyena is a cross between Liberty Haze (G13 x ChemDawg 91) and Blue Dream (Blueberry Indica x Haze). So it's really a 3/4 Sativa-dominant super Haze. It got its strong structure and very tall shape from the Haze (Sativa) side and the Blue Dream blends just enough Blueberry (Indica) in to make it taste super fruity-licious and also be a very high yielder with very thick colas.
I'm not sure if a more obviously-Indica pheno is something worth using for the pollen mother though...this is another thing that makes me lean towards little Shorty in the center as the one Karma seems to be pointing to. I will see how this more-Indica plant progresses and how her buds and such compare to the others, to hopefully eventually determine for real whether this is indeed a different phenotype.
Left side:
Great growth from the twins in the front and the nice girl in back. The removed bucket gives more space for these to spread out and eventually fill the entire side. I kicked in the two Mars Hydro 300s on the left wall which augment the left side lighting nicely. I'm sure they will respond quite well, a lot of light on that side.
The two potential pollen mothers...yep, I think I'm 90% sure it will be the one in the center.
My supercropping of major fan leaves has again proved its value...there is nice branch exposure everywhere but I haven't had to remove very many big fans so they still hang there, less noticeable but all in there, still adding some nutrition but not blocking the light so much. You can see a couple of them in this picture where the stems have been supercropped:
More food is better. Everyone looks pretty well-fed so far. It's all good in the secret lab.
Soon we will use these two chemicals to attempt sex reversal on the chosen plant. I'm excited to try this and hopefully give birth to a new variety. I have been reading copiously about this and it seems pretty simple really. So maybe even I can do it...
Peace, Hyena
Time for a
PROJECT 28 UPDATE!
How time flies when you're having fun...just back from four days in Northern Michigan and the girls are growing up very fast. I love that I can just live a normal life and only have to check in very occasionally on my grow lab, and everything just keeps right on cooking. Popped in there after the trip and it's a pleasant 70 degrees and sunny, all the little ladies just growing like weeds. Checked the reservoir...PH a perfect 5.8, exactly where I left it 4 days ago. Okay it isn't always quite that perfect but it does show the stability of reservoir chemistry that is achievable when one does not over-use liquid nutrients in hydroponic growing. Sure, it feels good to add nutes, it's like you're feeding your babies and giving them love. But adding nutes much beyond the basics they need for growth (which ain't much brothers and sisters) is the root of problems. So far in PROJECT 28 I have only added 1/4 of the manufacturer's recommended levels of nutrients, if that, and every leaf tip is absolutely perfect. That's really the only way I trust to judge the health of my plants because it's so revealing of every little problem. The tips will tell!
Everyone is hitting the scrog level now and we are starting to re-route the copious branches.
Right side:
Front and back girls are popping and perfect. Middle one which started a week later and was one of my three candidates for pollen mother is catching up fast. I think I have decided to let her be a part of the general grow and just leave her there. I can use her to work toward the center and fill the eventual gap that will be created when the pollen mother plant is removed.
Center row:
The girl in back is a monster. She is simply exploding for only being about 40 days into life. The two front girls are now vying to become the pollen mother. It's interesting how the center plant was a burned-up and dying sprout and now looks so amazingly vigorous. I still can't get over the resilience of the cannabis plant! It's almost like it should be the mother just because of the achievement of being alive, it just showed so much strength and regenerative power coming back from almost certain doom. So why not incorporate that into all Blue Hyena descendants?
The other factor is phenotypes...Almost all these 9 plants have looked identical so far, as far as I can tell. But now it appears we have two phenos, at least to me. The front plant in the middle has much wider leaves than the others, likely an indicator of two distinct versions. This is a more Indica-typical leaf shape so I'm quite curious where this is coming from and what it means.
Blue Hyena is a cross between Liberty Haze (G13 x ChemDawg 91) and Blue Dream (Blueberry Indica x Haze). So it's really a 3/4 Sativa-dominant super Haze. It got its strong structure and very tall shape from the Haze (Sativa) side and the Blue Dream blends just enough Blueberry (Indica) in to make it taste super fruity-licious and also be a very high yielder with very thick colas.
I'm not sure if a more obviously-Indica pheno is something worth using for the pollen mother though...this is another thing that makes me lean towards little Shorty in the center as the one Karma seems to be pointing to. I will see how this more-Indica plant progresses and how her buds and such compare to the others, to hopefully eventually determine for real whether this is indeed a different phenotype.
Left side:
Great growth from the twins in the front and the nice girl in back. The removed bucket gives more space for these to spread out and eventually fill the entire side. I kicked in the two Mars Hydro 300s on the left wall which augment the left side lighting nicely. I'm sure they will respond quite well, a lot of light on that side.
The two potential pollen mothers...yep, I think I'm 90% sure it will be the one in the center.
My supercropping of major fan leaves has again proved its value...there is nice branch exposure everywhere but I haven't had to remove very many big fans so they still hang there, less noticeable but all in there, still adding some nutrition but not blocking the light so much. You can see a couple of them in this picture where the stems have been supercropped:
More food is better. Everyone looks pretty well-fed so far. It's all good in the secret lab.
Soon we will use these two chemicals to attempt sex reversal on the chosen plant. I'm excited to try this and hopefully give birth to a new variety. I have been reading copiously about this and it seems pretty simple really. So maybe even I can do it...
Peace, Hyena
I love your lab girls 
They thrive
They thrive
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Hey Hyena,
Very nice progress. Your ladies are looking gorgeous. But then, they always do. You do have a very nice system that works for you. Cheers!
I tried some sodium thiosulfate one time. I think I messed up the mixing amounts. My scale didn't seem to work right, so I didn't get any seeds. May try again after I get some new scales. Good luck for you!!
Very nice progress. Your ladies are looking gorgeous. But then, they always do. You do have a very nice system that works for you. Cheers!
I tried some sodium thiosulfate one time. I think I messed up the mixing amounts. My scale didn't seem to work right, so I didn't get any seeds. May try again after I get some new scales. Good luck for you!!
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Thanks Bode.
I have done a lot of research and found consensus methodology that I believe will produce results in most varieties of cannabis. Not all, though. It's a small concern on the distant horizon that my strain might be one of the small number that are resistant to chemically-induced reversal, for whatever reason. Hope not.
Peace, Hyena
Looking like your on cruise control for a bit. Your girls are looking fine. Funny how different phenos grow out, halfway through you might like a certain one, then by the end that's changed, and then after you burn a sample you might like a different girl. I grew the dark energy x OG from a local breeder, it was supposed to have 30% thc, and I think I found the phenom after I stopped growing them. Turn out the last girl i done, which took 15 weeks to flower (maybe could have went more) is loaded with thc. Think this one is the 30% thc.
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Happy Thursday!
Time once again for a mid-week
PROJECT 28 UPDATE!
Well, the ol' secret lab is humming now...these girls are growing almost an inch a day. I love this time once everybody is established and happy, just filling out so nicely day by day. And just starting to exude the first hints of nature's finest fragrance.
Growing is soooo easy when your plants are healthy and balanced. Those are two different, but symbiotic things. This grow I am trying to pass on some of my techniques and fundamentals, hopefully for the benefit of those who may be newer to growing and looking to advance their knowledge and results. So my advanced friends, please bear with me here.
"Healthy" is a product of healthy genetics (since sadly a lot of strains just have built-in problems) and an optimal environment (the grow room has to be right). "Balanced" refers to the nutrition provided TO a healthy plant in an optimal environment. My experience has shown too much nutrient supplementation can be as bad as, or even worse than, too little. Plants only take what they need from the soil or solution they are in, through osmosis, and too-high levels of supplemental additives can cause chemical imbalances which create osmotic difficulties and can actually block the uptake of some nutrients. So ironically, the effort to comprehensively feed one's plants can often be the root cause of them becoming malnourished.
My "less is more" opinion on this is hard-won...it almost seems the less I feed my plants the better they grow. An example is this grow. So far, I have only used a total of less than one red solo cup of nutrients for this entire 6-week project. Just a couple splashes of GROW, MICRO, and a couple shots of cal-mag. This is about 10% of the amounts recommended on the bottles for my size reservoir. WTF??
Look at the leaf tips:
I always say whether you're a grower or a waiter....the tips will tell!
Seriously, the leaf tip is the equivalent of a stethoscope to a doctor...it's the thing that tells you what's happening inside. That, plus the color, structure, and overall vigor give you everything you need to know to determine if your plants are healthy and balanced. You can see these girls are not starving. Fact is, the plant only takes a very trace amount of each nutrient from the water, just what is needed to fuel the processes of the plant and no more. Nearly 100% of what it uptakes and transpires every day is just water. The plants use such trace amounts that even the tiny supplementation I have given is still mostly in the water! So adding and adding as if everything was consumed leads to over-saturation and eventual imbalance, even nutrient lockout as levels get unsuitably high. If you end up with a grainy nutrient sludge on the bottom of your reservoir at the end of a project (as I have several times) all you are looking at is wasted nutes. Stop it. Plus, the chemical taste towards the end which necessitates flushing is greatly reduced...I don't really flush in the classic sense, only transition from almost-no-nutes to pure water in the last week but my weed tastes great. Grows in the past where I used a ton of nutes and didn't aggressively flush definitely had a taste to them that was the result of chemical content, and burned differently too. My best point is it's an avoidable issue if you really lower the nutes. Try it.
Soooo, the time has come to make the choice for the mother of the entire Blue Hyena strain and all future generations and derivatives. I'm a little nervous because this choice is going to determine how strong, healthy and stable the plants will be for thousands of growers worldwide who might choose to plant them. It's a big responsibility. Though I may never know any of them, I still don't want to have anyone out there ever cursing me for selling them shitty beans!
It's between these two:
I have thought about whether the trauma little wrong-way (top) went through might affect her ability to be a good pollen mother and I can't really see how it would...it just made it a lot harder to root with a burned-off growing tip but she certainly proved she could overcome being dropped on her head as a baby because look at her vigor...she's a beauty.
Plus, the other one just looks slightly different...wider leaf structure, more of an Indica trait and as you can see just a wee bit different from everybody else. I am 99% sure I have not mixed up any beans, but still, I won't take the chance that she might be an imposter trying to intrude into a royal blood line. No, she must go. To the Tower with her!
Long live Queen Wrong Way!
The modular nature of my system allows me to easily swap them around. No fuss, no mess.
The new Queen will take the place of honor in the front center, and continue to grow as she awaits the attempt to transform her into her own brother. It will be genetic manipulation on a cosmic scale...Frankenstinian meddling with the very laws of nature...
I agree with the big guy. Always knew he had to be a toker.
Topped our newly-crowned sovereign...
Now it's just autopilot for a little while. Just tucking and weaving as the branch matrix grows.
I simply check the variables now and then such as PH and reservoir temperature. Actually, the reservoir stays at the exact temperature I want which is 68 degrees F because I have a nifty controller that I can actually set the exact temp I want and it maintains it automatically.
Since it's 26 degrees outside and my attic is unheated, the ambient water temp in my reservoir stays in the upper-50s even though the air temp in the lab is closer to 70. I have found that reservoir water that is that cold actually reduces growth. So keeping the reservoir water closer to 70 degrees is best. This setup uses the controller connected to an aquarium heater that I suspend in my reservoir. I just make sure it can't touch the side of the reservoir since it gets plenty hot and would melt a nice little hole in my dreams if it could.
So, back to the real world. I'm thinking about how to infuse my favorite things with marijuana. Like beef.
It could work. Yum!
Peace, Hyena
Time once again for a mid-week
PROJECT 28 UPDATE!
Well, the ol' secret lab is humming now...these girls are growing almost an inch a day. I love this time once everybody is established and happy, just filling out so nicely day by day. And just starting to exude the first hints of nature's finest fragrance.
Growing is soooo easy when your plants are healthy and balanced. Those are two different, but symbiotic things. This grow I am trying to pass on some of my techniques and fundamentals, hopefully for the benefit of those who may be newer to growing and looking to advance their knowledge and results. So my advanced friends, please bear with me here.
"Healthy" is a product of healthy genetics (since sadly a lot of strains just have built-in problems) and an optimal environment (the grow room has to be right). "Balanced" refers to the nutrition provided TO a healthy plant in an optimal environment. My experience has shown too much nutrient supplementation can be as bad as, or even worse than, too little. Plants only take what they need from the soil or solution they are in, through osmosis, and too-high levels of supplemental additives can cause chemical imbalances which create osmotic difficulties and can actually block the uptake of some nutrients. So ironically, the effort to comprehensively feed one's plants can often be the root cause of them becoming malnourished.
My "less is more" opinion on this is hard-won...it almost seems the less I feed my plants the better they grow. An example is this grow. So far, I have only used a total of less than one red solo cup of nutrients for this entire 6-week project. Just a couple splashes of GROW, MICRO, and a couple shots of cal-mag. This is about 10% of the amounts recommended on the bottles for my size reservoir. WTF??
Look at the leaf tips:
I always say whether you're a grower or a waiter....the tips will tell!
Seriously, the leaf tip is the equivalent of a stethoscope to a doctor...it's the thing that tells you what's happening inside. That, plus the color, structure, and overall vigor give you everything you need to know to determine if your plants are healthy and balanced. You can see these girls are not starving. Fact is, the plant only takes a very trace amount of each nutrient from the water, just what is needed to fuel the processes of the plant and no more. Nearly 100% of what it uptakes and transpires every day is just water. The plants use such trace amounts that even the tiny supplementation I have given is still mostly in the water! So adding and adding as if everything was consumed leads to over-saturation and eventual imbalance, even nutrient lockout as levels get unsuitably high. If you end up with a grainy nutrient sludge on the bottom of your reservoir at the end of a project (as I have several times) all you are looking at is wasted nutes. Stop it. Plus, the chemical taste towards the end which necessitates flushing is greatly reduced...I don't really flush in the classic sense, only transition from almost-no-nutes to pure water in the last week but my weed tastes great. Grows in the past where I used a ton of nutes and didn't aggressively flush definitely had a taste to them that was the result of chemical content, and burned differently too. My best point is it's an avoidable issue if you really lower the nutes. Try it.
Soooo, the time has come to make the choice for the mother of the entire Blue Hyena strain and all future generations and derivatives. I'm a little nervous because this choice is going to determine how strong, healthy and stable the plants will be for thousands of growers worldwide who might choose to plant them. It's a big responsibility. Though I may never know any of them, I still don't want to have anyone out there ever cursing me for selling them shitty beans!
It's between these two:
I have thought about whether the trauma little wrong-way (top) went through might affect her ability to be a good pollen mother and I can't really see how it would...it just made it a lot harder to root with a burned-off growing tip but she certainly proved she could overcome being dropped on her head as a baby because look at her vigor...she's a beauty.
Plus, the other one just looks slightly different...wider leaf structure, more of an Indica trait and as you can see just a wee bit different from everybody else. I am 99% sure I have not mixed up any beans, but still, I won't take the chance that she might be an imposter trying to intrude into a royal blood line. No, she must go. To the Tower with her!
Long live Queen Wrong Way!
The modular nature of my system allows me to easily swap them around. No fuss, no mess.
The new Queen will take the place of honor in the front center, and continue to grow as she awaits the attempt to transform her into her own brother. It will be genetic manipulation on a cosmic scale...Frankenstinian meddling with the very laws of nature...
I agree with the big guy. Always knew he had to be a toker.
Topped our newly-crowned sovereign...
Now it's just autopilot for a little while. Just tucking and weaving as the branch matrix grows.
I simply check the variables now and then such as PH and reservoir temperature. Actually, the reservoir stays at the exact temperature I want which is 68 degrees F because I have a nifty controller that I can actually set the exact temp I want and it maintains it automatically.
Since it's 26 degrees outside and my attic is unheated, the ambient water temp in my reservoir stays in the upper-50s even though the air temp in the lab is closer to 70. I have found that reservoir water that is that cold actually reduces growth. So keeping the reservoir water closer to 70 degrees is best. This setup uses the controller connected to an aquarium heater that I suspend in my reservoir. I just make sure it can't touch the side of the reservoir since it gets plenty hot and would melt a nice little hole in my dreams if it could.
So, back to the real world. I'm thinking about how to infuse my favorite things with marijuana. Like beef.
It could work. Yum!
Peace, Hyena
A sous vide machine does good for infusions. There's also various smoke infusions you can do with meats. I think a roast done with a thc brine would be yummy.
Your plants and room look great as always.
Your plants and room look great as always.
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A sous vide machine does good for infusions. There's also various smoke infusions you can do with meats. I think a roast done with a thc brine would be yummy.
Your plants and room look great as always.
Thanks, Turbo!
Awwww, I was just making a joke really... I usually infuse most things I eat with THC the easy way...by smoking a fatty right before I eat them.
Peace, Hyena
One man's punchline is another's meal ticket. Haha
Ladies seems to do well under the temps and if I could slap you with reps for your super post, I would.
The weed eating beef.... Good experiment to try, unless he flyyyyyyyyys to high, so you can't catch him... Lol
I imagine you in your lab... Are you wearing a white robe too?
The weed eating beef.... Good experiment to try, unless he flyyyyyyyyys to high, so you can't catch him... LolI imagine you in your lab... Are you wearing a white robe too?
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Ladies seems to do well under the temps and if I could slap you with reps for your super post, I would.
I imagine you in your lab... Are you wearing a white robe too?
I am ALWAYS naked when in my lab.
Under my clothes.
Peace, Hyena
Very informative update, HM. Well done. It's fun wandering along the thought process you have. I always learn when in your journal.
I was picturing feeding a cow bud and shake mixed in with their alfalfa. Brings lots of rabbit trails to mind - Does it affect milk, any buzz from the ribeye, does the cow gain weight, etc. Thanks for that! lol
Yes, I picked the same one you did, leaning sativa. More of a 50/50 hybrid, I think. Fun following along.
I was picturing feeding a cow bud and shake mixed in with their alfalfa. Brings lots of rabbit trails to mind - Does it affect milk, any buzz from the ribeye, does the cow gain weight, etc. Thanks for that! lol
Yes, I picked the same one you did, leaning sativa. More of a 50/50 hybrid, I think. Fun following along.
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Edibles confuse me...
Peace, Hyena
Peace, Hyena
Want to try one??
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Ha ha ha, thanks Birdie...
I must confess, edibles aren't for me. I've had some bad experiences.
I feel a funny story coming on. The first time I tried "edibles"...
It was the summer between junior and senior year of high school and me and my best friend were working as pizza delivery drivers for a local chain, 4-5 evenings a week. It was a pretty fun job...got to smoke weed, drive around, and make money at the same time. With so many of my friends suffering through shitty summer employment like landscaping and construction, I felt like a brilliant business genius and at the time I guess I was. So one night towards the end of our Friday evening shift my buddy pulls out a quarter-ounce of weed and says, "I put a pizza back so we could cook it...let's put this herb on there." So we put the entire bag on the pizza, finely ground and covered with mounds of cheese and handfuls of pepperoni. The ovens were still warm enough to cook the pie while we cleaned the dishes and mopped out the restaurant. Fortunately our manager was a ditz and didn't notice. Finally we boxed it and got in my car. I was always the guy who drove everyone because I had a 1969 Ford LTD, a cavernous vehicle which could hold eight high school kids in relative comfort. It also had plenty of room for two hungry guys to eat dinner in palatial comfort, so after cranking the tunes and smoking the obligatory joint, we devoured the king-size marijuana pie. The added weed was a little gritty but not bad, in fact the pizza was amazingly delicious and we finished it. Then we rolled over to a buddy's house nearby. It was about 45 minute before the weed in that pizza hit both of us like a truck! I remember getting so high, so suddenly, I wondered if I was having a heart attack. AC/DC was blasting and I swear to God during the hours that followed I literally had sex with that music. It was a semi-hallucinogenic experience, my friend and I were drooling and crawling on the floor at times, laughing hysterically, then crying, then laughing again. We couldn't even stand up, and we honestly had never imagined cannabis could be so powerful in edible form. Only after about three hours were we able to pull it together and get a hold on our consciousness. In the end we had eaten over 1/8 oz of top-shelf pot...each...and obviously absorbed every bit of it. I thought it would be fun but it was simply a very scary experience that neither of us had any desire to ever repeat.
I have never made a Jamaican pizza again mon. And I never will.
Peace, Hyena
That is what I call a serious overdose!
All of the edibles are supposed to be eaten in small doses.
I got od.ed too once and it was awful.
All of the edibles are supposed to be eaten in small doses.
I got od.ed too once and it was awful.