Hubba Hubba! Bubba Hash & The Bright Lights Of Redemption: Amy's Indoor v2.0 With DBHBB

[Agemon]

RH and temps are the biggest threats to growing in the desert, but it can be done with the right cultivar... sativas do poorly in arid climate though, but you can grow a top-notch indica bud... I have a precious strain bred in Santa Clarita valley, so IDC much about the heat

Outdoor weed will always be the best. The problem is people often butcher outdoor plants growing them like you’re not supposed to do... and yeah the wrong climate makes it much harder, so I should’ve said sungrown weed grown properly will always be better... I’ve been trying many tricks personally, but I just can’t match my outdoor stuff, it’s next to impossible imo.

Indica's in the heat you say?

Northern Lights

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• Agemon
• Jul 22, 2019

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[Amy Gardner]

problem is people often butcher outdoor plants growing them like you’re not supposed to do...

Could you say a little more about this please. What kinds of things would classify as “not supposed to”?

 

[Smokeyfromoz]

Ya, humid and rainy happens here around drying time too. And cold, which you might not get so much of, depending how far inland you are. Man I’m envious of your ability to finish things outside though. Higher latitude than me. Mould and rot resistance is necessary for me too. I’m already getting fired up about this years’ outdoor grow

Hi Amy,
Yes, pretty close to the coast, though in winter can get cold out here, mornings as tiny range that blocks the light, have areas in the yard that stay wet in due, but summer its a different story. Summer the mornings are not cold around 19+c during summer months for mins.

I looked at indoors but looked expensive, so decide to try the first grow outdoors,, then decided to stay outdoors, though this time will give them light inside so they get 18/6 for the first 2/3 weeks then outdoors.

Awesome , so you will be trying outdoors , i used bbqs with the tops cut off so can wheel in if needed.

Your plants are looking lovely and healthy, not any sign of brown on the leave tips which i seem to get, new soil maybe not this time

 

[InTheShed]

so they get 18/6 for the first 2/3 weeks then outdoors.

Best thing you can do if you're starting plants inside to put out later is grow them from sprout at the day/night interval that is the same as the expected move date. A lot of plants will go into flower when moved from 18/6 to say 14/10 or whatever you have that time of year. Then they have to reveg and it slows the whole growth process down.

 

[Smokeyfromoz]

Best thing you can do if you're starting plants inside to put out later is grow them from sprout at the day/night interval that is the same as the expected move date. A lot of plants will go into flower when moved from 18/6 to say 14/10 or whatever you have that time of year. Then they have to reveg and it slows the whole growth process down.

Hello InTheShed, thank you for the reply and help
They will be autos, the photos will be outdoors once its spring. Autos will be in final pots. With Autos i dont want any set backs, seen it in grow 2, and its not good. I read photos can reveg, so for them outdoors when the season is right.

 

[InTheShed]

I'd run the autos at 24/0 as the more light the better the vegetative growth. When they're outside they'll just have to live with the sun. Be sure to harden them off when you transition them to outside though...they'll burn otherwise.

 

[Smokeyfromoz]

Thank you InTheShed . Morning Sun inside , to harden them up, then slowly increase sun hours outdoors, also have to adjust to the cooler temperatures though wil be warming as August is the last month of winter and its not uncommon for a few warm to very warm days near of the end of the month.

 

[Amy Gardner]

so you will be trying outdoors

I am primarily an outdoor grower (my first journal is an outdoor season). I’m only just learning how to grow indoors and this is my second indoor run.

 

[Conradino23]

Could you say a little more about this please. What kinds of things would classify as “not supposed to”?

Overfeeding seems to be the biggest mistake... let's take NorCal growers, they've been producing 10 pound monsters for ages just to satisfy East Coast market... the problem is you have to push nutes daily for that kind of yield and what you get in the end hardly resembles what this plant really should've been. People often think that loving these plants to death is the way to go, but try to smoke this bud later and there's no quality to speak of.

Another thing is growing cultivars, that don't do well in your climate just because there's a demand for them. Unfortunately outdoor growing is a fine combination of art and science, where cultivar comes first and everything else second. You can't just pick whatever you like and put it in the ground. It takes knowledge and expertise and often years of trial runs.

And last but not least using soilless outdoor, which most of the growers call soil and that creates a lot of confusion. If you grow outdoor using native soil is a must for high quality produce. If you don't do it, then you can as well grow your plants indoor. It's local soil that gives the weed real character. It's how final produce reflects local terroir and it's how your produce excels.

Any grower, who doesn't stick to these three conditions, will always struggle to produce anything above average imo.

 

[Agemon]

Well sometimes you just get lucky!!!! Thanks again for your insights CD23. I was just at the RQS site checking out recommended strains for warmer climates. Northern Lights is second on the list! Guess I'll be keeping that strain around for a while. I bet Maui Waui would do well too.

 

[Amy Gardner]

push nutes daily for that kind of yield and what you get in the end hardly resembles what this plant really should've been

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growing cultivars, that don't do well in your climate just because there's a demand for them

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using soilless outdoor... it’s local soil that gives the weed real character

Thanks C!

I have about 50% local “dirt” in the soil for my raised bed. I’m yet to test it on its own tho. Very acidic AFAIK, and it’s definitley more dirt than soil.

bet Maui Waui would do well too

I’m not sure that an authentic version of Maui Wowie can be found... much to my disappointment.

I’m thinking northern lights will go well here too. Not hot like you get, Age, not at all. It can get that way at times tho. I’m still auditioning cultivars for outside. So far I have only grown one or 2 that seemed to really love it here and not get any rot at the end. One of those had NL in the cross. I have a few NL x DDA that I’m hoping to ‘audition’ this year, and a Sensi Northern Lights too (also have some of the Dope NL).

I have been optimistic that Purple Satellite was a potential winner for me here. Some info Tropics (the breeder) has shared recently though about light hours and it’s transition to flower has made me a bit nervous. Once I’ve got a plants in the raised bed there’s not much trouble shooting I can do with out effecting both plants - and Cat drenching can get trick timing wise. I was hoping PS and a Lilly (Delicatessen) might go well in there together but if the PS doesn’t get what it needs in terms of light-hours and transition, it could be a royal cock-up! So to speak I’m reconsidering what I’ll grow in the raised bed now. I may grow a PS in a pot, just to see how it responds to the light change, in terms of flowering start etc, before committing one to the raised bed...

 

[InTheShed]

about light hours and it’s transition to flower

if the PS doesn’t get what it needs in terms of light-hours and transition

just to see how it responds to the light change

Has this strain been so seriously adapted to indoor grow that it no longer knows how to go into flower outside? Or is it just a very slow transition and long flowering time that concerns you?

 

[Agemon]

Amy, I'm more than happy with the results of the NL inside as well. The link is in my sig, I know you popped over to give that a read. I grew it for most of our winter in Southern California but indoors. Temps would fluctuate depending on tent and that's when I got the QB's too. I think you'll be more than happy with Northern Lights, I'm growing the strain from Dope Seeds. You'll enjoy it especially considering some of the physical reasons you've mentioned. When I wrote the report about her rapid growth it was in cooler temperatures. But now that I see what she can do outside I'm really blown away! What a tremendous plant/ strain etc! Either way you grow it you'll like it!

 

[Amy Gardner]

It’s high on the list. Just a matter of when and whether i run the Sensi or the Dope Seeds. Sensi could be special so i want to run it straight away, but for the same reason I wonder about waiting until I am set up to clone, and keep clones. Don’t know when that will be tho. Can’t see it right now.

Has this strain been so seriously adapted to indoor grow that it no longer knows how to go into flower outside? Or is it just a very slow transition and long flowering time that concerns you?

No neither of those actually. I chose it becasue it’s been bred outside and has short flowering, for a sativa. And all the initial info about it suggested it would be quite perfect for me. Recently Tropics noted something that is particular to it being bred in such northern latitudes wher the early summer, pre-solstice light hours are high. That means it needs long light hours in veg to then make a smooth transition into flower when the light begins to change.

It also means that anyone growing it indoors will need to step down th light schedule as a sudden drop from 18//6 or 16/8 down to 12/12 or 11/13 can induce hermaphroditism or full male expression.

Here’s Tropics’ recent post about this aspect.

They really need long light hours especially important from veg through flower.

Elaborating on that...

The Nepali in the cross allows P.S. to be finished very early in the northern latitudes where the light hours during peak solstice is about 16 hours and even at that the Nepali has been grow and adapted over many generations even further north in Denmark I believe, where they probably peak out at 20 hours of daylight so lesser daylight hours triggers flower faster because they sense winter is coming. Bringing them to finish by early to late September outdoors in the northern latitude here 42 degrees N
So being so adapted to such long hours of light to much of a cut acts as a stresser to the plant and she will react in self preservation by throwing out male flowers or hermaphrodites. Now keep in mind I have grown hundreds of PS under correct conditions and never have seen them sport a single male lower on a female.
But I have seen male flowers on every plant put right into a 12/12 day light cycle.
So if you grow PS indoors it can be done but you need to mimmic the slower graduation of declining daylight to do her correctly.

The Nepali typically doesn't like sharp changes in light cycle. they start flowering at 16 hours of outdoor light starting mid July here.

I don’t actually have the long hours of light he’s talking about, because I’m 35ºSouth, not North. I didn’t know about this aspect before I went on a mission to get some seeds

That second post I’ve quoted is more about adapting it to indoors. What he said to me directly (the first quote) was just that he hopes I will have enough light (before the solstice). I guess that means it’s possible the P.S. might just start to flower as soon as it’s mature if it perceives lower light hours than it’s ‘programmed for’. Maybe I should plan to gaslight it for a little while around the time it will be maturing. But that exactly the kind of screw around I need to be avoiding really.

 

[InTheShed]

Well that's an interesting kettle of fish! Would it just not get all that big with shorter solstice hours than they recommend? It's not like it's going into flower while the days are getting longer just because they're less than 16 hour peak, is it?

 

[Amy Gardner]

? It's not like it's going into flower while the days are getting longer just because they're less than 16 hour peak, is it?

Well it’s possibly exactly that issue I need to be mindful of. That’s precisely what I have some concerns about.

 

[Amy Gardner]

And also why I wonder if I should rehearse it in a pot first, this season before potentially bringing myself a nightmare in the raised bed. Been there, done that! Trying to learn from past experience

I really had thought my days in pots outside were over. It’s actually quite a hassle, so far. I may come up wth some other dastardly plan to try I suppose. Just need more watering than in the ground and some days that’s not possible...

 

[Amy Gardner]

Is this Powdery Mildew?
Hey folks, bit of diagnosis assistance please! This appeared on Bubba Hash literally overnight. I’ve never had Powdery Mildew but it’s the only thing I can think of that it might be. All the other plants are fine, no sign of this. Only Bubba.

For the record. The environment in the tent is really stable. Temps are 77-83ºF lights on with humidity usually in the high 50s, sometimes in the 60s and only once over 65% (68% and not for long). And the humidity doesn’t rise too much at all at lights off. Humidity remains under 65% lights-off. And lights-off temps are 68-72ºF.

It literally appeared overnight.

I thought about giving a leaf wash as its about time for one, or a “weaponised” DeStress. But then realised it was about to be lights of and if it is PM then that’s the last ting I’d want to do.

I tried to wipe some off with a soft damp cloth but when the leaf dried, the spots were still there. If it’s PM, there is a milk thing I can do right? Hopefully someone will know what mix I should make. I have full cream milk only in the house.

Then, maybe its not PM, maybe it’s something else. Better find out before I do anything.

Hopefully someone can confirm or deny PM for me.

 

[Amy Gardner]

And before someone suggests i get a sulphur burner for the PM (if thats’s what it is), that wont be an option for me. For so many reasons, that can’t be done

 

[Heavenly Hybrid]

Wait for a more knowledgeable opinion than mine, but just from the little reading I’ve done, it looks like it’s something else to me? I believe wpm wipes away and looks more like flour. Yours looks more like a splattered pattern to me?