How To Make Concentrated Cannabis Oil

[Dennise]

I can only speak as a type one diabetic and no amount would be acceptable IMO...

 

[SweetSue]

I find nothing but contrasting info.

After the toxicology stuff re-posted a page or two ago, it goes on to say something like......

'Iso is used widely in the pharmacological industry because of its low incidence of toxic residue.'​

Reconcile that with the ever-present :

Never ever, ever, ever make CCO with isopropyl alcohol!!! It's made toxic on purpose to prevent consumption.
Our bodies metabolize it into Acetone. It's impossible to remove 100% of any solvent from CCO.
How much Acetone in YOUR liver is acceptable?​

These are the two camps.

John, where was the second quote from?

 

[94xjjohn]

Part from the Linked article, part from the toxicological post a few pages back, part from Tim, and the last question was from me.

Ps. Compilation, not quote.

 

[panacea]

Well I will be looking for a better alternative for my extractions for sure. But in the meantime I will need to use the 99% iso. People need the medicine as we speak so until I see that the "Cure is worse the disease" I will continue to use the 99% for my extractions(properly produced) until I find a suitable substitute. I am by know means trying to justify the use of the ISO, But for how much someone would actually consume of the toxicity in a 3 month protocol would be minuscule to what you would receive from Radiation & Chemo if you could not get your hands on the CCO. Great BIG THANKS to everyone's prompt ,compassionate and sincere work on this truly wonderful medicine. BEST SITE IN THE WORLD! /l\ Stay Gold!

 

[Lady Cannafan]

I thank everyone as well. I know this has been tossed around many times in the past, but the distilling gave some newer thoughts, hopes, and questions on this. My mind is made up now. Oil done with the Everclear for internal, and the same for topicals. They are absorbed into the skin.

John, you saved me some time. I was concerned after reading the "notes about purity" in the end of that article.

Notes About Purity

Distilling denatured alcohol will remove enough impurities for may lab applications. Further purification steps could include passing the alcohol over activated carbon. This would be especially helpful if the point of the distillation is to obtain drinkable ethanol. Be very careful distilling ethanol to drink using denatured alcohol as a source. If the denaturing agent was simply an additive intended to make the alcohol bitter, this purification might be fine, but if toxic substances were added to the alcohol, a lesser degree of contamination may remain in the distilled product. This is especially likely if the contaminant had a boiling point close to that of the ethanol. You can reduce contamination by discarding the first bit of ethanol that is collected and the last portion. It also helps to tightly control the temperature of the distillation. Just be aware: distilled alcohol is not suddenly pure! Even commercially produced ethanol still contains traces of other chemicals.

Had planned a further reading today using some better keywords.

My oil would be for long term permanent use, I want to be sure it is as pure as I can make it.
Pay attention to later posts on what this may do to someone who is diabetic. Could it affect other diseases in this manner as well?

I'm going to bookmark this page, this question will certainly come up again...and again.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

I can only speak as a type one diabetic and no amount would be acceptable IMO...

Dennise makes a good point on the Diabetes patients in regards to acetone. The liver naturally handles some amounts of Acetone that is contained in Ketones on a regular basis, to a point.
Here's some reading if you want further information.

From healthline.com:

Every day, the body breaks down fats into organic molecules called ketones. Ketones contain acetone and travel through the bloodstream until your liver metabolizes them. Acetone poisoning can occur when there’s an abnormally high amount of ketones. This is a condition known as “ketoacidosis.”

Metabolic diseases, such as type 1 and type 2 diabetes, can result in ketoacidosis if glucose levels aren’t properly managed. In cases of prolonged starvation, the body’s carbohydrate stores are depleted and the body begins to break down its stored fats into ketones. The liver cannot process such high levels of ketones, and blood ketone levels grow dangerously high.

Here is a Toxicological report on Acetone from the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services.

https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp21.pdf

Pay particular attention to item 1.5, in regards to diabetics.

 

[Dennise]

Does anyone notice the word keytone in all of that.... If you toxify yourself with this you can cause a condition called ketoacidosis... It causes your body to be more acidic than it should be... The normal pH of the body is 7.4 and a very minimal deviation from that will and can cause death... It is much more prevalent in type 1 Diabetics and I personally have been in DKA more than once... It's a trip to ICU and I can assure you there is no fun involved... The government did do this on purpose and I personally would rather try and improve the proof of my solvent vs using one that I have any question that might be harmful... That just simply defeats the purpose of all of this.... I also want to say if you choose to use this that is your business but please be careful what you post up here for others to read.... You are being told this can be very dangerous and if you choose to ignore this warning so be it... But please post your comment responsibly.....

 

[panacea]

CDC - Immediately Dangerous to Life or Health Concentrations (IDLH): Isopropyl alcohol - NIOSH Publications and Products has some interesting info on the human trials they did with individuals consuming Isopropyl.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Reading that now Panacea.

Here's some more:

ISO is listed on the Right to Know Hazardous Substance List, because it is cited by OSHA, ACGIH, DOT, NIOSH, DEP, IARC, NFPA, and EPA. It is on the Special Health Hazard Substance List.

Helluva list there.....

And here's some more reading:

https://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1076.pdf

 

[94xjjohn]

Thank you for this. I'm feeling more confident about it. It's widely used and obviously produces curative oil - your testimony covers that quite nicely. Properly purged oil shouldn't be a concern for problematic residue levels.

Yes, it is! Distilling iso may well concentrate the toxins by boiling away the 'clean' alcohol.

We can try distilling the iso FIRST and then using the 'cleaner' stuff, but the toxins may well distill with the alcohol.

Distill something 151 proof and edible. Problem solved.

I'll have a hydrometer on monday, so I'll see what proof we can easily take 151 proof to.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Yes, it is! Distilling iso may well concentrate the toxins by boiling away the 'clean' alcohol.

We can try distilling the iso FIRST and then using the 'cleaner' stuff, but the toxins may well distill with the alcohol.

Distill something 151 proof and edible. Problem solved.

I'll have a hydrometer on monday, so I'll see what proof we can easily take 151 proof to.

Looking forward to that report Johnnycake.

 

[Dennise]

Really guys we have to be very careful what we post here... People will look at a couple of post and think it is OK to do this and it clearly is not... Please... please be responsible in what you are posting and remember we are talking about peoples health and wellbeing and none of that should be taken lightly by posting any kind of info that a toxin may be safe enough... How safe is safe enough? Not enough for myself... People come to this site thinking they are reading from experienced knowledgeable sources.... We have a responsibility to those people and to be very careful about topics that are possibly and in this case are toxic.....

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Right-o Dennise,

After everything I've read and uncovered since this topic started...that stuff is not going into my oil OR my topicals.
Done deal.

 

[wildjim]

Being a diabetic myself, I wouldn't make oil with ISO or any other non-food chemical. And diabetes is the least of my problems. Some might think that if it is used for a short period of time, it might be ok. If someone is fighting cancer or HCV or HIV with the oil, stressing the liver and kidneys, as acetone will do, can be more dangerous than one might think. It can be deadly to an already compromised liver and kidneys. If any caregiver is using isopropyl alcohol or whatever dangerous chemical to make oil for an uninformed patient, please make sure to give the patient all the information about the negative effects of ingesting isopropyl alcohol, the chemicals added to make it undrinkable or it's byproducts. As a patient, I want to know about any danger in any of the medicine I take. I want to be the one who decides what they take. FDA approved or not. And there are many new "approved" pharmaceuticals that I have refused for their "possible" side effects. I want to know if it will kill my boner or give me Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma. I need to know as much as I can to make an informed decision about what I take. And that includes pesticides and fungicides that might have been used during growth to harvest of the plant.

That's just how I feel. That's why I grow my own medicine. I know what's in it. IMHO naturally.

WJ

 

[Dennise]

Exactly........

 

[94xjjohn]

IDK. What if....you were close to death and the oil (made w/iso) could save you. As a last resort? I'd rather die later.

In all normal circumstances:

NEVER make CCO with isopropyl alcohol !!!
Or isopropanol, or any other iso or methyl alcohol.
They are poisonous.​

Johnnyit'sthatsimpleOilseed

Ps. Denatured (strange name...remove nature) ethyl alcohol is what we drink relatively safely...then poisoned (numerous ways) so we won't drink it (because it's not taxed extra {sin tax} to drink!). I DON'T THINK this can be made safe...probably not. Alcoholics would have found a way because, without that sin tax, it's cheap!

 

[Mighty Mouse]

Good news, my hydrometer came a day early. Bad news, my distilled 90 proof vodka only went up to 115 proof. I believe I should have turned it off sooner as I supect I started distilling water when it started dripping much slower. Will distill a new bottle tomorrow and pull it when the dripping slows down to see if it makes a difference.

 

[Curly Beaver]

Good news, my hydrometer came a day early. Bad news, my distilled 90 proof vodka only went up to 115 proof. I believe I should have turned it off sooner as I supect I started distilling water when it started dripping much slower. Will distill a new bottle tomorrow and pull it when the dripping slows down to see if it makes a difference.

Not bad news at all M.M.
That is the first report out that I have seen (and I have been anxiously waiting for those numbers)..... and I like them.
+reps

 

[94xjjohn]

With an alcohol still or a mod-ed temp control job, the proof will increase even more....I betchya!

Good job strong rodent.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Thanks strong rodent....er Mighty Mouse!
It did get higher in proof, that's a very good thing. Now we'll wait and see on your next one.