How To Make Concentrated Cannabis Oil

[Dave Groomer]

It never even occurred to me to start with a street purchase. If I was just experimenting, why would it be necessary to start with an ounce? Can anyone give me a good reason why it can't be done with a smaller volume of cannabis?

Considering you don't know the quality of what you are getting, you don't know how much oil you will get. It seems people get 3-5cc of oil from good bud. You may get less from unknown quality. You might have a hard time doing it with much less. Just my 2 cents.

 

[SweetSue]

Considering you don't know the quality of what you are getting, you don't know how much oil you will get. It seems people get 3-5cc of oil from good bud. You may get less from unknown quality. You might have a hard time doing it with much less. Just my 2 cents.

Wow! That was a serious Deja Vu moment. LOL!

If I can use a smaller amount to experiment with I'd use part of my harvest, so I'd be confident about the quality. I'm going to return the water distiller and switch it out for the essential oil model. This would be a small first run that would also give me the opportunity to see how effectively I could control the process with a small batch. I can envision any number of scenarios where a small emergency batch would be a blessing, so it seems to me this would be a valuable thing to learn.

Since I'm in good health to begin with it doesn't concern me that I'd be starting with a small batch and might run out before my first harvest. The reality is that if it works I still have enough on hand to do a full batch. I can't return my distiller for the upgrade until I get home anyway (hmmmm.... Call the daughter about that), so I'm a couple weeks out from trying a batch anyway. I'll be listening closely to the conversations on using the distiller and will have learned much more from the experiences of the team.

Given all those points, is there any good reason not to experiment with a smaller batch?

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Sue, I will be interested to see what is said on doing the smaller batches.
I hope the discussions on the oilers thread has been helpful with all of the distiller talk.

Altainta, I'm going to turn this over to John or Cajun or someone else on what happened there with no effects of the oil concentration. I don't want to pop onto things I'm not sure about. Let us know if your further decarbing did anything for it, for sure. And thanks for all the info you provided!

 

[420]

Just to let you all know, we added a link to the header text links for Concentrated Cannabis Oil under Medical Marijuana. This should make it a little easier for people to find it.

 

[SweetSue]

Sue, I will be interested to see what is said on doing the smaller batches.
I hope the discussions on the oilers thread has been helpful with all of the distiller talk.

Altainta, I'm going to turn this over to John or Cajun or someone else on what happened there with no effects of the oil concentration. I don't want to pop onto things I'm not sure about. Let us know if your further decarbing did anything for it, for sure. And thanks for all the info you provided!

I watched a video on making a small, one day supply using 7grams of plant material and a cup of isopropyl alcohol. It appeared very doable to me. I'm still waiting to hear what makes 99% isopropyl an unacceptable solvent.

I watched a lot of different videos today and came away impressed with the method we're refining here. I'm going to go back and review Tim's instructions now and think more about the process.

 

[SweetSue]

Just to let you all know, we added a link to the header text links for Concentrated Cannabis Oil under Medical Marijuana. This should make it a little easier for people to find it.

Thank you. Every little thing we can do to make this easier to get noticed benefits the community in a big way. It's a numbers game, like most everything else.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Sue, if you have a little reading time waiting on the ISO answer...type in ISO as a solvent or just ISO in the search thread box. You'll come up with a page full or more of comments on it. I know that's been answered here before. I've never used it for the oil.

Not saying you'll find the specific answer, but you might.

 

[SweetSue]

Sue, if you have a little reading time waiting on the ISO answer...type in ISO as a solvent or just ISO in the search thread box. You'll come up with a page full or more of comments on it. I know that's been answered here before. I've never used it for the oil.

Not saying you'll find the specific answer, but you might.

I went researching and pretty much answered my own question. Not appropriate for oral meds. I'm good with that. I'm still stuck with using something around 150-151 proof, since I won't be able to get anything stronger in PA.

So my next question would be why would using a lower proof solvent result in a less potent med? Is it related to the time needed to boil off the water? The implication I've come up with is that the additional time might be causing more degradation of cannabinoids? The science here escapes me. The reality of my situation, as a citizen of the great Commowealth of Penjsylvania, is that I have to deal with a government that wants to babysit me to the extreme. I can't purchase anything stronger in the state, nor can I have it shipped to me. So Everclear 151 is going to be the best I can get.

What does this mean for the potency of my oil? Can I overcome some of this by growing better cannabis with a higher concentration of trichomes?

 

[SweetSue]

I can't believe how often I forget that we have the "search thread" tool. Let me do a search for differences in proof of solvents and see what turns up.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

John answered that very question yesterday on the Oilers' thread, Sue:

2. More water in the alcohol (lower proof) will pull more than just the cannabinoids from the plant....forget it taking a few more minutes to boil off....you're missing the point, it produces a less pure oil. As alcohol proof varies, purity varies, and then dosing requirements vary.

I will let him expound on that further if needed.

 

[SweetSue]

I'm not at all happy with the direction this is going.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

I'm not at all happy with the direction this is going.

You mean the alcohol proofs available to you being so restrictive?
That's a stumbling block for many, especially in other countries. That's why the ISO comes up so much.

Edit: AND why we are so interested in the reclaiming process in many ways.

 

[Dennise]

Well there's that ridge running state thing again.... just sayin'........

 

[SweetSue]

You mean the alcohol proofs available to you being so restrictive?
That's a stumbling block for many, especially in other countries. That's why the ISO comes up so much.

I now understand why so many of the videos show it being used as a matter of course. At least in this early stage I think we can deal with the reduced proof for my daughter and I. Her medicinal needs far exceed my own, of course, but even in her case we're not dealing with anything as drastic as cancer or some dibilitating disease. So the reduced extraction due to reduced proof of the solvent might not be such a bad thing, especially if her mother can live up to her own expectations as a cultivator.

God, this makes me so frustrated I could scream, but I refuse to let it get to me like that. I have to stay focused here and make the best of it.

I found myself wondering if the Barney's Critical Cure Cajun recommended might work for her in the edible olive oil extraction? True, it's an edible, which is a challenge from the bioavailibility standpoint, but given excellent plant material - and I mean the best I can possibly grow - and incorporating every trick we can to increase bioavailibity, this might actually be a viable option. It would also keep the monoterpenes more intact. I may have to try this. I'll have to try both extractions. I'm beginning to suspect that a combination of both might give us a more well-rounded response anyway.

I live by the rule that everything happens for a reason. I also believe without any doubt that when one door closes there's a more wounderous door opening right next to you, if you only allow yourself to see it.

There, I feel much better now. Looking for that door.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Well there's that ridge running state thing again.... just sayin'........

As soon as the roads are guaranteed clear, I'm making a run for it. Provided I'm back to work by then.

 

[SweetSue]

Edit: AND why we are so interested in the reclaiming process in many ways.

One of the first things I'm going to try is running some Everclear 151 through and checking the proof of what comes out. forgot to place that order for the meter today.

Well there's that ridge running state thing again.... just sayin'........

If I had a vehicle Dennise, I'd be traveling out to visit supergroomer next weekend and stopping at some stores. My friend has suggested I pick up a bottle here if I can find it and pack it in my checked suitcase. That feels like the kind of risk that would make my daughter sick when she found out. She has a hard time with this risk-taking mother of hers.

 

[Mighty Mouse]

I now understand why so many of the videos show it being used as a matter of course. At least in this early stage I think we can deal with the reduced proof for my daughter and I. Her medicinal needs far exceed my own, of course, but even in her case we're not dealing with anything as drastic as cancer or some dibilitating disease. So the reduced extraction due to reduced proof of the solvent might not be such a bad thing, especially if her mother can live up to her own expectations as a cultivator.

God, this makes me so frustrated I could scream, but I refuse to let it get to me like that. I have to stay focused here and make the best of it.

I found myself wondering if the Barney's Critical Cure Cajun recommended might work for her in the edible olive oil extraction? True, it's an edible, which is a challenge from the bioavailibility standpoint, but given excellent plant material - and I mean the best I can possibly grow - and incorporating every trick we can to increase bioavailibity, this might actually be a viable option. It would also keep the monoterpenes more intact. I may have to try this. I'll have to try both extractions. I'm beginning to suspect that a combination of both might give us a more well-rounded response anyway.

I live by the rule that everything happens for a reason. I also believe without any doubt that when one door closes there's a more wounderous door opening right next to you, if you only allow yourself to see it.

There, I feel much better now. Looking for that door.

I am at this very moment distilling 100 proof vodka in my oil distiller. I have a stop watch on it to time it. My Proof & Tralle Hydrometer will not be here until Monday. I will report the results then. Because this is the oil distiller rather than the water distiller, it took a while to start dripping. I have a very powerful range hood fan so am doing it indoors with the fan on full blast. I am checking it every 10 minutes. If I detect high fumes, I will put it out on my covered deck, but so far so good.
Keep the faith SweetSue, there is more than one way to pop a bean.

 

[Radogast]

Okay guys so i need a damn good help here technically...

1 ounce material (STREET MATERIAL) - 30 GRAMS to be exact used 88% alcohol abt 500ml due to washing and stuff..(FIRST TIME MISTAKES)

Stage 1 - filtered product which was kept in fridge for like 1-2 weeks
Stage 2 - Evaporating alcohol
Stage 3 - Decarb

IT STINKS VERY VERY BAD WHEN DECARBING (STAGE 3) !!!!! IT WAS A HUGE LET DOWN FOR ME !!! DUE TO NEIGHBOURS... But there was no problem.
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So i as per my unerstanding i didn't crossed 250 F mark in any stage
was closly monitoring.

1 ounce material - 30 GRAMS to be exact used 88% alcohol abt 500ml due to washing and stuff..(FIRST TIME MISTAKES)

As you can see to remove the oil properly from the 1st vessel (stage 1). i have to add a little alcohol. That is why you see the decarbing process contain more oil that it is actually is. As i started decarbing i went till 180 - 250 F or below. It was smelling HORRIBLE ! The Smell was so dense that i got a headache instantly. The smell was roaming around outside my place on the road... The activity of the bubble completely stopped 30hr before and still i was giving heat. I guess it was completed under 210 F mark still i went for 250 F ?

In the end the oil came out very low. The thin layer was like TAR litterly TAR..
I used the Metal spoon (other plain side as in the image) to scrape it off from the bottom of the small vessel of decarbing.
it feels like it was like burned and sticked to the bottom... It was stinking so much that i panicked and i thought to stop it all...and i was not able to collect it...

So while heating i added OLIVE OIL half the amt of the cannabis oil that is 1:2 ration 1 - olive oil 2 is for cannabis oil...
Still nada the SYRINGE got blocked due to it.. and the oil stuck in the mouth of the syringe...

So what i did is heated coconut oil and @ 250 F mark i added it. 1:1 ration of the oil

So there is more coconut and olive oil than cannabis... i.e 1:3 - 1 part cannabis oil and 3 part for other oil



Question


1) How to avoid the stage 3 stinking cannbis burning smell !!!!! and still evaporate the residual alcohol.
2) So can anyone comment ? Can i use this oil for TOPICAL ALSO INGESTING ? if yes than how should i start with lowest amt ? 1:3 ratio oil...
3) What should be done next time to get the HARD TAR LIKE OIL FROM THE SAUCE PAN ?
4) I guess decarbing in my case was completed under 210 F mark still i went for 250 F is it okay ? or shall i avoid it ?
5) ANY MORE SUGGESTION WILL BE HELPFULLL


I know i can't use this for taking... But how to use it please suggest.
This was a test.. I will test more as mistakes always come in first time but i learn from them..

Did we ever help out altainta on these question?

(I say we because I don't know how to help.)

OK. I will take a stab at #3

1) How to avoid the stage 3 stinking cannbis burning smell !!!!! and still evaporate the residual alcohol.
2) So can anyone comment ? Can i use this oil for TOPICAL ALSO INGESTING ? if yes than how should i start with lowest amt ? 1:3 ratio oil...
3) What should be done next time to get the HARD TAR LIKE OIL FROM THE SAUCE PAN ?Next time, add drinking alcohol again as a solvent
4) I guess decarbing in my case was completed under 210 F mark still i went for 250 F is it okay ? or shall i avoid it ?

Now that I type this, maybe altainta was answered on another thread

 

[SweetSue]

I am at this very moment distilling 100 proof vodka in my oil distiller. I have a stop watch on it to time it. My Proof & Tralle Hydrometer will not be here until Monday. I will report the results then. Because this is the oil distiller rather than the water distiller, it took a while to start dripping. I have a very powerful range hood fan so am doing it indoors with the fan on full blast. I am checking it every 10 minutes. If I detect high fumes, I will put it out on my covered deck, but so far so good.
Keep the faith SweetSue, there is more than one way to pop a bean.

Bless you Mighty Mouse. I'll be upgrading mine to an oil distiller as soon as I get home. My daughter tells me it's weighty. Gonna cost me a pretty penny to return it I guess, but I'd rather have the oil one and I'm willing to pay the price to get the one I want.

 

[panacea]

I watched a video on making a small, one day supply using 7grams of plant material and a cup of isopropyl alcohol. It appeared very doable to me. I'm still waiting to hear what makes 99% isopropyl an unacceptable solvent.

I watched a lot of different videos today and came away impressed with the method we're refining here. I'm going to go back and review Tim's instructions now and think more about the process.

99% iso is all I can get in my area and have been using it for over a year in my extractions. I have over a dozen people use my oil for Cancer, dementia(83 yr old lady), ptsd, pain, insomnia, blood pressure etc... and I have not have anyone have a negative reaction to it. The oil has a nice Amber color and everyone swears by it. I also use LABRAT's extraction method(slow & cold). I am sure I will hear plenty of negative feed back from other's, but I am seeing these results first-hand not hear say.