Homer's Legal 4-Plant Max Perpetual Minimalist Garden In Ontario

My two Sensi Seeds Northern Lights clones that I am doing the Cal/Mag experiment on despite doing well had to be tied up because they are starting to flop over already which is not a bad sign.
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I have finally reached the point in my flowering where I usually start getting considerable amounts of lower leaves turning yellow then dying and this plant is no exception. Both the plant that is getting just MegaCrop and the one that is getting MegaCrop and Cal/Mag lost considerable leaves since I plucked the last time six days ago but the one without the Cal/Mag seems to be losing more.

Looking at the leaves and buds, the leaves on the plant that is getting the Cal/Mag do seem slightly greener which makes sense because there is some nitrogen in my Cal/Mag solution. Also, the buds look slightly whiter on the plant that is getting the Cal/Mag but they don’t seem any bigger or stickier or pungent so at this point although my leaves may be slightly healthier on the plant that is getting the Cal/Mag I really don’t think it’s having any effect on my bud size or quality so unless things change I don’t really think it is worthwhile.

And to whom it may concern, LOL; I am just plucking leaves that are yellowing and look sick that can be removed with just a slight tug so basically I am just taking the ones that are soon to fall off naturally. I wouldn’t normally be removing them but by doing so periodically it makes it much easier to gauge the rate of decline in my leaf health for my experiment.

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My plants in the veg room are doing okay but it has been a wild ride. The Dr. Seeds was the late slow bloomer but now it is substantially bigger than the pre-98. I was afraid the Dr. Seeds was going to be extremely tall and gangly because as a seedling it got so tall it flopped over and needed support but now it’s a nice sized strong plant with a good thick trunk.

The Pre-98 shot up like crazy until I decapitated her after the fourth node with inter-nodal lengths of a couple inches so I was sure it would be a crazy tall plant but now that I have the two main branches trained pretty much to go horizontal the inter-nodal length on them is nice and short which is just ideal because now it’s nice and tall to water under but it looks like it is going to be a nice stout plant for indoor growing. Unless that totally changes, who knows?

It also suddenly developed pretty severe leaf curl shortly after one of my watering’s so I figured I increased the nute concentration too quickly but after a couple watering’s of diluted nutes it started showing signs of deficiencies so that wasn’t causing my leaf problem so I upped the nutes again and I still have the crazy leaf curl but it seems healthy. I figure it might be that the plant is a little susceptible to humidity because it is only around 30% right now in the basement. I am monkeying with some kind of a home humidifier system without great success. I really don’t want to buy one. Funny because my Dr. Seeds is under the exact same conditions and has no sign of leaf curl. I suspect some genetic susceptibility?

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I had my last dose of radiation on Wednesday and the side effects, minor as they were, are fading away already so it looks like for now thankfully I have my life back. Yippie!
:party: I have a 50% chance of recurrence within a decade so I’m pretty optimistic and just happy to have that behind me for now. I really appreciate how kind and supportive everyone was out here throughout my ordeal. Thanks to all. :high-five: :hugs:
 
Homer Simpson said:
I had my last dose of radiation on Wednesday and the side effects, minor as they were, are fading away already so it looks like for now thankfully I have my life back. Yippie!
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Great news Homer! That's a 50% chance of it not recurring!! :party:
 
The NL plants look terrific! Gonna be some great meds when they come down. And could the P98 be more sensitive to the light? It's hard to tell but it looked like the lowers didn't have the same curl as the uppers.

I feel like I read something somewhere about making sure your plants don't get too much nitrogen in flower anyway, so I don't think losing the lower leaves is a bad thing, whenever they come off. As long as you aren't seeing cal-mag deficiencies in the non-cal-mag one, I don't think the extra N is doing anything worthwhile.
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And to whom it may concern,
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:ciao:
 
InTheShed said:
The NL plants look terrific! Gonna be some great meds when they come down. And could the P98 be more sensitive to the light? It's hard to tell but it looked like the lowers didn't have the same curl as the uppers.

I feel like I read something somewhere about making sure your plants don't get too much nitrogen in flower anyway, so I don't think losing the lower leaves is a bad thing, whenever they come off. As long as you aren't seeing cal-mag deficiencies in the non-cal-mag one, I don't think the extra N is doing anything worthwhile.

:ciao:
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Yes, so far so good with the NL, thanks. I suspected it might be a light sensitivity but I kind of doubted that because I have learned to keep my light about 24 inches away and I don’t have a problem with other plants at that distance but since that is one of the main culprits from what I read of leaf curl I moved the light up to 30 inches for a couple of days and it didn’t seem to make any difference so I don’t think that is the issue. Good guess though.

I didn’t want to be adding more nitrogen with my Cal/Mag because I like to test one variable at a time so I was disappointed to find out when I looked at the label a couple of days ago that my Cal/Mag does have some nitrogen in it. If that is true about what you feel you read about keeping nitrogen low in flower it doesn’t really make sense for them to add it to Cal/Mag because I think most people need that in flower.

I did a lot of reading about leaves falling off as the end of flowering nears and it really seems to be a split decision between people that think it’s good to try to keep leaves green and healthy to the end and those that think it’s just part of the natural aging process of the plant. So if I don’t get any increase in bud yield I think you’re right I don’t see any problem with having yellow leaves and I won’t use Cal/Mag anymore.

A fair while ago I bought some of Greenleaf’s Bud Explosion and Sweet Candy but never really tested them properly so I think in the generation after my one in veg I will take two cuttings of P 98 and try one of them in an experiment on one plant. I was looking at Greenleaf’s site and they have a Cal/Mag product now but they say if you have mega crop as your base nutrient you probably won’t need it which I think my experiment will verify.

That whom could have been anybody... :p
 
MrSauga said:
I can verify GLN's Calmag at 13% N will kill your plants in a week with continued use :)
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I appreciate the heads-up about the nitrogen from an expert like you Dr. Nute. :) I am disappointed that this has 2.3% considering that it only has 1.29% of magnesium but the label on the front says nothing about nitrogen and only mentions calcium and magnesium. So that makes 17% crazy time.

Do you think that Greenleaf’s additives that I have are worth it? It’s starting to look like MegaCrop might be pretty complete in itself and my leaf yellowing is just natural.
 
Homer Simpson said:
I appreciate the heads-up about the nitrogen from an expert like you Dr. Nute. :) I am disappointed that this has 2.3% considering that it only has 1.29% of magnesium but the label on the front says nothing about nitrogen and only mentions calcium and magnesium. So that makes 17% crazy time.

Do you think that Greenleaf’s additives that I have are worth it? It’s starting to look like MegaCrop might be pretty complete in itself and my leaf yellowing is just natural.
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Look on the back of the label... it'll say 13% N.

IMHO, no the supplements do not help. You can add 1g max of BE during the second week of bloom but you have to watch the plants carefully. If you add both SC and BE then it changes everything cause you're creating quite a toxic mix down under.
 
MrSauga said:
Look on the back of the label... it'll say 13% N.

IMHO, no the supplements do not help. You can add 1g max of BE during the second week of bloom but you have to watch the plants carefully. If you add both SC and BE then it changes everything cause you're creating quite a toxic mix down under.
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Sorry, I misquoted you, I said 17% instead of 13%, my bad.

From what I remembered from some of your posts I figured a toxic mix might be the result. I think after my experiment I will just stick with good old MC. Thanks for the info. :thumb:
 
It will be good to have an example of what GLN's cal/mag does to a plant when used as directed. There are a lot of unbelievers out there.
 
@West Hippie has pics of that. If he doesn't see this I'll find them for you later today.
 
My saga with P98 is so tragic it has entered the realm of absurd comedy. If I weren’t laughing I would have to cry. My first 2 seeds didn’t even come up and now my third seed after a vigorous start has stalled in growth and has severely curled leaves. Funny thing is I have put many strains through the same growing process with good results? The Dr. Seeds that dwarfs the Pre 98 was started at the same time and for the first weeks was actually smaller.

I have tested the 2 most common causes; lights too close and nutes too strong to no avail. It is disappointing because I want to experience this strain's potency but I have come to terms with the fact it is not meant to be. Three strikes and you’re out.

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If it's only the top leaves it still could be the light. Don't raise it, try hanging some window screen under the area over the P98. That will cut the intensity.
 
InTheShed said:
If it's only the top leaves it still could be the light. Don't raise it, try hanging some window screen under the area over the P98. That will cut the intensity.
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Unfortunately, it is not only the top leaves as a few of the lowest are just as bad and I did try and raise my blurples to no avail. It is a disappointment but it still may make it to the end and in the overall scheme of things it isn't a big deal. Thanks for the input anyway.
 
I was going to wait till my P98 was harvested to post my time-lapse of it but since it isn't doing so well I am not sure I will be going to the bother of making a finished vid of it so I thought I would put up the raw footage I have so far in case anyone would like to look.

It was very vigorous when it first started well ahead of the Dr. Seeds plant beside it but now it's pretty sluggish in growth and it doesn't move nearly as much as the other plant. Katsu seems to think it might be overwatering and I'm not giving it any more than any other plant but there may be some validity to that because it acted very violently when I gave it a good full pot watering for the first time and that seemed to coincide with the appearance of the leaf curl.

I thought the problem was probably too high of a nutrition concentration too early but when I cut back it acted like it had deficiencies so now I'm thinking maybe it doesn't like to be watered a lot at once so I'm going to be watering it more often with less volume of water. Not good for root growth in veg but that might be the problem.

Here is the footage if anyone wants to check it out
 
Homer Simpson said:
I was going to wait till my P98 was harvested to post my time-lapse of it but since it isn't doing so well I am not sure I will be going to the bother of making a finished vid of it so I thought I would put up the raw footage I have so far in case anyone would like to look.

It was very vigorous when it first started well ahead of the Dr. Seeds plant beside it but now it's pretty sluggish in growth and it doesn't move nearly as much as the other plant. Katsu seems to think it might be overwatering and I'm not giving it any more than any other plant but there may be some validity to that because it acted very violently when I gave it a good full pot watering for the first time and that seemed to coincide with the appearance of the leaf curl.

I thought the problem was probably too high of a nutrition concentration too early but when I cut back it acted like it had deficiencies so now I'm thinking maybe it doesn't like to be watered a lot at once so I'm going to be watering it more often with less volume of water. Not good for root growth in veg but that might be the problem.

Here is the footage if anyone wants to check it out
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I think thats so cool. Id love to see a start of flower to finish one. Of all the videos people post, this type of thing gets my fullest attention.
 
The leaf curl started as early at 1:14 so it's been there from a very young age.
 
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