Hempy Headquarters

Was pondering the slow starts to my hempies yesterday, too. It is agonizing until roots hit that res below the hole. Was debating starting in smaller hempy buckets/solo cups to speed them up at first, then transplanting to final hempy home after the roots are more established.

My main problem with DWC was res temp, a fight I tapped out of.

Great topic, GS .

Exactly! there seems to be a perfect pot size out there. in my case with my background i might even get one more crop a year in with autos


Exactly the reason i was drawn to Hempy. Rez temps were challenging me when i was forced to move my last DWC grow from inside my house to the utilitie room in the garage early spring. I managed to finish, but i knew unless i changed something i wouldnt be able to do a grow in the summer. Fast forward to a new HVAC room. I recorded temps for 10 days early July and saw that i could keep the room under 85 F. Hempy fit the bill, and the bubble buckets were shelved.

After a couple seeds that failed to germ, i had an orphan seedling i threw into a bubble bucket and went for it.
Just kind of turned into an experiment.
 
How about a PVC pipe pot with multiple holes down the side. Plug the holes all the way up till the res is the appropriate height for the maturity of the plant. So week one the roots are allowed to touch the water. Week two pull the next plug and make them reach.Week three water, week fouur pull the plug and so on till you eventually get to what we use now?
Thoughts, Suggestions?
 
However i have a ton of space and the means to grow DWC so why wouldn't I?

Why wouldn't you? If you're wanting 8 to 12 (or more) ounces per plant?

But maybe you want to divide ^that^ space up into room for 8 to 12 (or more) strains? Seems like it'd be easier with small hempy pots, even with the hand-watering. You'd probably be mixing up several different nutrient formulations for that many different strains, anyway, so what's one more step, lol?

Then, too, some folks wish to use "organic" nutrients (I know, they all contain carbon, LMFAO - so they're all organic). That's not really a good idea with DWC, IMHO.

Sure there is electrical cost to run my air pump and nute costs etc.

I'd have to guess that those would be negligible, regardless of the method, when compared to the value of one's harvest.

But man watching these three growing side by side is agonizing. To see the potential of the one and the unfulfilled potential of the other two is like watching paint dry.

Switch your hempies to taller, much smaller area containers - such as two-liter bottles - and pack them in so that they're touching (or nearly so). Run vegetative light schedule just long enough to ensure rooting of the cuttings, then switch to flower. That ought to make up a lot on the mass of your harvest (at least when calculated "per day" of the total length of the grow). Speaking of which, some folks like to harvest a fraction of their crop every week instead of all at once. Another reason to go with a bunch of small hempies instead of one large DWC.

this early in the game i think i can germ/propagate and grow a couple girls DWC before the two i got in the hempy go amber.

I wouldn't expect it to increase the flowering time... And you can switch to flowering at any time after the plants reach sexual maturity (you just won't harvest as much - per plant - if you do so when the plants are small). That's with phototropic strains. IDK about mutant sports, lol.

Was pondering the slow starts to my hempies yesterday, too. It is agonizing until roots hit that res below the hole.

So tape/plug the hole shut and make another one, much higher. After the root system has grown, tape/plug the upper hole and reopen the lower one.

Or, alternately, temporarily seal off the hole just before watering, water enough to raise the level up to the root zone, and wait ten or fifteen minutes before unsealing the hole (remember that the vast majority of what you poured in earlier will immediately drain out at that point).

The above might actually be a reason to add a small air stone to one's hempy.

My main problem with DWC was res temp, a fight I tapped out of.

Ironically, I used DWC because of high temperatures. Give the roots mad amounts of dissolved oxygen, enough water so that the plant can transpire LOTS of moisture, and a good breeze to evaporate that moisture from the undersides of the leaves (along with proper room air extraction to remove the moisture so that humidity/mold doesn't become an issue) - and the plants will self-cool.

Were your air pumps in the grow room? If so, moving them out probably would have helped noticeably. Or tossing the air pumps and air stones, and replacing them with these:
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Whoops, wrong picture, lol. Let me try again...

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Aquarium power heads didn't seem to heat my reservoirs up. If so, it wasn't significant in my environment - but, at the time, seeing 100°F+ in my grow room was very rare and tended to mean an a/c failure, lol; and, even then, I still had healthy white roots and healthy plants. Because they were in DWC. They sure used large amounts of water (7 to 13 gallons/plant, IIRC) on those extreme days, though. And growing sativas probably helped in regards to heat-tolerance.
 
TS,
Appreciate you advice and knowledge. You have made me re-consider things. I probably did not make myself clear. I was basing my assumption on an Auto flowering strain with a seed to harvest time of 65-80 days and the ability to run up to 6 Bubble buckets. I am still curious to see how this grow goes and am happy i am growing hempy and part of this awesome community.
 
How about a PVC pipe pot with multiple holes down the side. Plug the holes all the way up till the res is the appropriate height for the maturity of the plant. So week one the roots are allowed to touch the water. Week two pull the next plug and make them reach.Week three water, week fouur pull the plug and so on till you eventually get to what we use now?
Thoughts, Suggestions?

My thought is that this won't allow for the planned runoff, which I'm assuming is in part intended to wash away any residual salts to control buildup.

But the idea could be adapted to plug those holes, fill to saturate the roots, and then open them to the lowest one. A modified fill to drain, if you will.

The thing is, the water wicks up the perlite, so the roots have access to moist, nutrient-rich medium all the way up as far as it'll wick, which is somewhere between 8-12." If you have a plant in a deeper container it'll grow those roots because of the wicking action of water and perlite. If I were growing in something deeper I'd be transplanting in. I'm finding I like the progression from hempy solo cup to either 2 liter or a vinegar bottle, and then potentially into something deeper. Look at the roots I have growing from my Carnival, recently transplanted into 3 gallons.

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This girl's serious. She anchored into that pot. Lol! She's at day 72, 11 days into the flip, 39" off the surface of the perlite and still stretching. :laughtwo:

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This girl's serious. She anchored into that pot. Lol! She's at day 72, 11 days into the flip, 39" off the surface of the perlite and still stretching. :laughtwo:

No kidding!

Fess up; you put chocolate on the ceiling to make her reach for it. Didn't you?
 
See, i am ass backwards. Im thinking DWC, make the roots stretch to the water and Hempy the water rises (wick) to the roots. In both systems the roots follow the water.

Amazing Lady you got there. BIG!

The wonderful thing about the perlite is how efficiently it brings the water to the roots and fills the entire medium, up to a certain level, with balanced hydration. The roots are surrounded with nutrient-rich water, with plenty of open space for air movement. Believe me, the roots fill every available space by harvest. :laughtwo:
 
The wonderful thing about the perlite is how efficiently it brings the water to the roots and fills the entire medium, up to a certain level, with balanced hydration. The roots are surrounded with nutrient-rich water, with plenty of open space for air movement. Believe me, the roots fill every available space by harvest. :laughtwo:
So, just so I've got this correctly, you put your seedling in a plug in the hempy and the water will wick up to it, so that you don't need to water it regularly until the roots reach the rez? I was under the impression that you had to water the plug diligently for days while the roots grew.
 
Was pondering the slow starts to my hempies yesterday, too. It is agonizing until roots hit that res below the hole. Was debating starting in smaller hempy buckets/solo cups to speed them up at first, then transplanting to final hempy home after the roots are more established.

My main problem with DWC was res temp, a fight I tapped out of.

Great topic, GS .

Now you have me thinking... Just put this one in a 5 gal hempy, think she was too small? Will I need to water more frequently?

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Looks like I may have my 1st no show seed, Critical Kush...1st outa about 25. I'll give her a few more days but she isn't moving...

Gunna try a few things

The Purple Kush is Gunna go in a 2l jug in a week ish. I'll do her with Osmo+

The Siberian Haze Auto will go into a 3gal bucket and also use Osmo+

I'm Gunna push the PK into flower as soon as she is topped. I also have new strains I ordered today which I will also test this process.

Fun fun fun
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Good lord man... ya turn ur head for 5 minutes around here and shit just gets crazy busy.... plus a random gator photo!!!
Hang on... this is gonna take a minute.

I'm a big fan of my KIS Nutrient Pack for my mix.

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I'm not sure this would be a good choice of nutrients for any hydro grow. I hope it does, but the various 'meal' bits worry me. Such things can lead to bad growth in the res.


I have coco and hydroton on hand. Must I purchase perlite? Can I just make do and set up a hempy bucket with what I have?

FlowerNose... what a cutsie name!
I might use the hydroton as a res in the bottom... or just pass on it all together. Coco has been used many times. It can be a little 'twitchy'. Unlike other neutral mediums, it does have some sort of bio-activity at a minimal level. This can lead to some fluctuations that other mediums don't suffer from, but it's not a big deal at all. It might not make the best candidate for an Osmocote fed hempy.


I just made a bucket mixed about 50/50 with hydroton and perlite. Good to see it in action

Seems like the hydroton will have a tendency to fall to the bottom over time. 2cents and all.


Perlite from bottom to hole, small later of hydroton for drain hole, then mixed all the way to top, and finished with 3" layer of perlite.
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Got res growth once in a HD bucket. Wrap it in tape or spraypaint it. They're super thin and let lots of light thru.
Go ahead and fill 'em to the top... unless you actually want a smaller plant. The bigger the medium mass, the larger the plant will grow. There will be some rise as the roots grow, but very little. I'd give a 5gal 2" from the top.


As with all styles of growing each has its drawbacks and advantages. I am starting to see the advantages to hempy and see where it can be not such a good fit for me as well. I have three of the same strain growing two in hempy and one in DWC. The DWC is nearly 5x's larger at the same time period already.
No startling Data here, its what we all would expect to find. However i have a ton of space and the means to grow DWC so why wouldn't I?
Sure there is electrical cost to run my air pump and nute costs etc. But man watching these three growing side by side is agonizing. To see the potential of the one and the unfulfilled potential of the other two is like watching paint dry.
True i am feeding the DWC and the hempy the same nute's and this is the first time i am growing in the hempy style so i may be butchering theses seedlings, but thats just another factor in what and how a person should decide how to grow, experience.
I grow for for quantity and quality.
If i can speed up both with auto's and DWC i think maybe thats for Me! I am going to squat hold what I got for a while and see where this takes me, but this early in the game i think i can germ/propagate and grow a couple girls DWC before the two i got in the hempy go amber.

Coments? Suggestions?

The variables that can make up one's particular growing world are just too numerous to shake a stick at. It literally boggles my mind and I can't wrap my head around 1/2 of it.

I've seen a few folks do hybrid combo sorts of grows with autowatering systems that pump water thru several times a day. This, of course, can provide some increased speed. Tead's too damn lazy. I saw a res adjustment technique mentioned later in the thread... with holes and plugs at various levels. Fun ideas I can't wait to try.



Yep, I notice the slow start too. Even the solos will be slower until the roots make their way to the res, at least in comparison to what I saw with my coco grow.

I see it as speed comparable to a soil grow until the roots hit the res... then it speeds up to hydro speeds.



What the hell?!?! Did I leave my back yard gate open again?
Really damp in da swamps these days.
Luvin all your words.
 
Now you have me thinking... Just put this one in a 5 gal hempy, think she was too small? Will I need to water more frequently?

I'll defer to Sue's and Tead's words here. .

Perlite surprised me with it's ability to retain and wick moisture (good call Sue!). The "soil" start to "hydro" boom is a description I've heard Tead give before, spot on in my novice experience.

Already some excellent ideas bouncing around to speed that slow start. I think I'll be copying the solo cup start method in the future. .
 
I probably did not make myself clear. I was basing my assumption on an Auto flowering strain

I went back and reread the post I quoted. You stated something about "autos and DWC," and - in my hurried reading - I somehow misread it to be "autos and photos." The fault was mine.
 
"Ironically, I used DWC because of high temperatures. Give the roots mad amounts of dissolved oxygen, enough water so that the plant can transpire LOTS of moisture, and a good breeze to evaporate that moisture from the undersides of the leaves (along with proper room air extraction to remove the moisture so that humidity/mold doesn't become an issue) - and the plants will self-cool.

Were your air pumps in the grow room? If so, moving them out probably would have helped noticeably. Or tossing the air pumps and air stones, and replacing them with these:
Aligator_Gar_1.jpg


Whoops, wrong picture, lol. Let me try again..."

*What's the story here!? lol Awesome

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* I did have my all black air pumps in the tent UNDER the lights, they were always hot. I'm having a duh moment after reading your question...

"Aquarium power heads didn't seem to heat my reservoirs up. If so, it wasn't significant in my environment - but, at the time, seeing 100°F+ in my grow room was very rare and tended to mean an a/c failure, lol; and, even then, I still had healthy white roots and healthy plants. Because they were in DWC. They sure used large amounts of water (7 to 13 gallons/plant, IIRC) on those extreme days, though. And growing sativas probably helped in regards to heat-tolerance."


*Man, I gave up DWC so quick! Still have all the equipment, but I'm getting comfy in the hempy world.

Excellent post, top to bottom. .
 
Thanks for the advice Tead. Don't mind smaller. Just experimenting for the most part. Transplanted from Aerogarden today, been a few hours, looking droopy... Need more water??

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Did you water her in well? Give her a complete watering evenly covering the surface so that she gets watered all around. Make sure you get some runoff out the hempy hole.
Looks like heat, water, or maybe just transplant shock as she gets used to her new world.
 
Already some excellent ideas bouncing around to speed that slow start. I think I'll be copying the solo cup start method in the future. .

My clones are loving the solos with a res to feed them. :blushsmile: I tried using a drill bit for the first hempy solo, but it just tears up the thin plastic of the cup. A hot knife was sitting in the tool bag and was perfect for the job - nice clean cut and super easy.
 
How about a PVC pipe pot with multiple holes down the side. Plug the holes all the way up till the res is the appropriate height for the maturity of the plant. So week one the roots are allowed to touch the water. Week two pull the next plug and make them reach.Week three water, week fouur pull the plug and so on till you eventually get to what we use now?

Now doggone it, lol. I had a joint of S&D pipe and four or five caps. Had them for years. Gave them away a month ago after the 420,000th time I tripped over the pipe. I could have made several little hempy pots out of them. That'll teach me to (ever) get rid of something. Hoarders aren't mental after all - they're just stockpiling against future need ;) .

Looks like I may have my 1st no show seed, Critical Kush.

Barney's Farm? I had one of their Critical Kush seeds fail to germinate. Was a single-seed pack, shaped like one of those plastic plant identification things that are stuck in garden (etc.) plants at the store, only this was cardstock or some kind of coated paper.

Now you've got me wondering if the other one I have is a dud, too. I probably won't know until Autumn, 2018.

The Siberian Haze Auto will go into a 3gal bucket and also use Osmo+

I did some (very light) skimming and got the impression that Osmocote Plus wasn't the most highly recommended nutrient for auto-flowering strains. I'd really like to use it for a few (autos). This is a little embarrassing to admit, but it's the only nutrient I have that isn't 4+ years old (some are even older :( ). I bought a bottle of it on a whim last Autumn for something like $1.99 (clearance-priced) before I realized that Osmocote is a Scotts Miracle-Gro Monster product. AND... I also bought a sack (pouch?) of the stuff at about the same time to use on Mom's "bucket" tomato plants. BtW, her two five-gallon bucket tomato plants seem to like it, although I might look in the shed to see if I have any triple super phosphate left and, if so, spike them a little.

Good lord man... ya turn ur head for 5 minutes around here and shit just gets crazy busy.

I've noticed this forum is a LOT busier than it was eight years ago - and SweetSue's threads always seem to have high levels of participation. I almost think she could create a thread solely to complain about a bunion or something, and end up getting 30 or 40 replies in a week.

plus a random gator photo!!!

Lol. I like to post that once a year or so. There's just something very appealing about alligator gar - the fish that you are advised to use a shotgun on as soon as you get it into your boat so it doesn't have a chance to thrash around and break several of your bones (apparently, merely unloading your pistol into one doesn't kill the primitive beasts quickly enough, LMAO).

Seems like it's about the most... sporting fish for all those sport fishermen(/women) to go after. Kind of like the water-based version of going wild boar hunting with a crossbow (better not miss that first shot :rofl: ) .

I had completely forgotten that you live in THE state for those things.

Hang on... this is gonna take a minute.

Don't forget to flush, lol.

I'm not sure this would be a good choice of nutrients for any hydro grow. I hope it does, but the various 'meal' bits worry me. Such things can lead to bad growth in the res.

Hmm... Minimizing light transmission (opaquing the container) would prevent photosynthetic (I tried "photosynthic," thinking that photosynthetic sounded like an artificial photograph - but Firefox thought that was a misspelling. IDK...) stuff. Not sure what one would do to prevent the other types. With non-"organic" nutrients, I'll just supplement with H₂O₂ - both for the obvious reason and because it releases O₂ as it decomposes. But it'd tend to kill the good microbial life that a person running that type of nutrient requires in order to predigest(?) the nutrients.

I've always avoided those things in hydroponic setups, because the act of constantly adding mad amounts of DO to the reservoirs seems like it could cause a runaway microbial growth situation. But that's just my guess (IDK).

Might be okay for hempy use, since oxygen supplementation generally isn't used. Again, IDK. Maybe someone who is curious will call a company such as EarthJuice? Well... SHOOT. I seem to have lost the file that had every nutrient/etc. contact name and telephone number in it. That's something I'll probably never be able to replace. Back up your data, everyone! Let me do a five-second web search...

Nope, all I could find is a fax number ( (530) 895-9270) or Contact. Oh, wait, they have a FAQ. And it's lengthy, too - 53 questions/answers.

Earth Juice / Hydro-Organics said:
2. Can the Earth Juice Original Grow & Bloom Liquid Fertilizers be used in automated hydroponic systems?

Earth Juice® Original Grow & Bloom Liquid Fertilizers are recommended for hand-feeding only. Please visit the Earth Juice Products by Hydro-Organics Products section for the specific products.

3. What Earth Juice nutrient lines do you recommend for hydroponics?

Sugar Peak, Hi-Brix Grow & Bloom, Sweet & Heavy, and Elements are all excellent choices. They are also superb choices for hand-feeding applications.

Looks like, if you want to run their line in a hydroponic setup, they WANT you to do the hand-watered thing. So... hempy food, lol?
Frequently Asked Questions | Earth Juice

Coco has been used many times. It can be a little 'twitchy'. Unlike other neutral mediums, it does have some sort of bio-activity at a minimal level. This can lead to some fluctuations that other mediums don't suffer from, but it's not a big deal at all. It might not make the best candidate for an Osmocote fed hempy.

Are you referring to its tendency to hold onto calcium/magnesium and to dump phosphate if it is not properly pre-treated? Or some sort of actual microbial life in it? If the latter, I did not know this.

Seems like the hydroton will have a tendency to fall to the bottom over time. 2cents and all.

I sure wish that stuff came in a little jar like popcorn does, lol (throw a handful in a hot pot, cover, wait for it to push the lid onto the floor...). Then I could consider ordering some for delivery. I'd guess that the shipping on a 50-liter sack would be twice what the actual product costs - and the nearest place I know of that carries it is 53 miles away (which is too far for me to walk).

Got res growth once in a HD bucket. Wrap it in tape or spraypaint it. They're super thin and let lots of light thru.

Can you get green buckets? I did some growing in (unpainted) Mountain Dew bottles a while back and never saw any algal growth. Maybe I just got lucky, but... I'm not especially known for good luck in the grow room ;) .

I've seen a few folks do hybrid combo sorts of grows with autowatering systems that pump water thru several times a day.

IDK if that really follows the spirit of "hempy." And I wouldn't think it would really be necessary unless someone is doing it in (for example) Texas.

I see it as speed comparable to a soil grow until the roots hit the res... then it speeds up to hydro speeds.

That's how I've always looked at it. Slower overall than other forms of hydroponics - but still quicker growth than with soil.

And, speaking of Texas:
Transplanted from Aerogarden today, been a few hours, looking droopy... Need more water??

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Maybe more water, more root mass, and a more gradual ramp-up from indoor plant to outdoor plant? Is there a nice root system on that plant, yet? Was the aerogarden outside, too, or was it indoors and this is the first day the plant has been under the merciless sun? And how wet is the bulk of your medium?

OOPS, looks like Tead has addressed the same things I was wondering about while I was farting around instead of posting all this quickly.

*What's the story here!? lol Awesome

Second-largest fish native to US freshwater. Ugly as sin, but I always thought they were kind of awesome. BtW, what's up with "ugly as sin," anyway? I've seen some pretty gorgeous... sins. (Thus the fully-white beard ;) . ) They seem to be happy to slay Asian carp left and right. Hmm... Do you suppose they'd be good at digesting all the other worthless Chinese garbage that's blighting our country, lol?

Wikipedia said:
Alligator gar (Atractosteus spatula) are ray-finned euryhaline fish related to bowfin in the infraclass Holostei (ho'-las-te-i). The fossil record traces their existence to the Early Cretaceous over a hundred million years ago. They are the largest species in the gar family, and among the largest freshwater fishes in North America. Gars are often referred to as "primitive fishes", or "living fossils" because they have retained some morphological characteristics of their earliest ancestors, such as a spiral valve intestine which is also common to the digestive system of sharks, and the ability to breathe both air and water. Their common name was derived from their resemblance to American alligator, particularly their broad snout and long sharp teeth. Anecdotal evidence in several scientific reports suggest that an alligator gar can grow up to 10 ft (3.0 m) in length and weigh as much as 300 lb (140 kg); however in 2011 the largest alligator gar ever caught and officially recorded was 8 ft 5 1⁄4 in (2.572 m) long, weighed 327 lb (148 kg), and was 47 in (120 cm) around the girth.
Alligator gar - Wikipedia

* I did have my all black air pumps in the tent UNDER the lights, they were always hot. I'm having a duh moment after reading your question...

Err... Did you have them on the floor, too, so that if they failed, they could end up siphoning the entire (liquid) contents of your reservoir out, lol? I remember reading that they're supposed to be kept above the reservoir, just in case.

We've all had plenty of <DOH!> moments - and we all will have more, if we are lucky enough to live long enough. Speaking of <DOH!> moments, why have I been sitting here beside the air conditioner, sweating, ever since I got home from helping Mom today? Because I forgot it was there...

I am guessing that just about any kind of air pump will heat the air somewhat. Not like an air compressor will, when it fills/pressurizes a completely empty 60- or 120-gallon tank, but maybe a little. But if the next room is, IDK, ten or fifteen degrees cooler than the grow room, and you only need a little tiny hole through each wall surface - which can be patched with spackling or even toothpaste (or wet toilet paper, lol) and painted afterwards, so it should even be feasible for rentals - then that's where I'd put it. Keeping the lines as short as you can, of course.

*Man, I gave up DWC so quick! Still have all the equipment, but I'm getting comfy in the hempy world.

I (think I) forgot to state that when temperatures get extremely hot, the plants are going to stop growing, regardless. But they'll do the same outside if it gets hot enough. Keep the root zone healthy and add enough DO (contstantly), and they should remain healthy, though, and get back to growing when the temps become at least bearable again.

BtW, that aquarium powerhead I pictured? One of the few products I'd recommend a person purchase at their local ChinaMart if they are financially-challenged. I think they cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $22 these days. Actually, you could probably get them cheaper if you search, and not have to enrich the WalMart empire in the process...

I tried using a drill bit for the first hempy solo, but it just tears up the thin plastic of the cup. A hot knife was sitting in the tool bag and was perfect for the job - nice clean cut and super easy.

I hate drilling holes in thin plastic. When I was doing the DWC thing, I used big red Solo cups (24-ounce size, IIRC) and placed as many ¼" holes in the bottom halves and bottoms as possible. One day, I got fed up and just took the cups, drill bit, and a pair of vice grips to the kitchen stove, lol. I loved those Solo cups. Filled them with the expanded clay balls and the plants always destroyed them pretty quick from root growth into the reservoirs. But WAY cheaper than those net cup things, especially if I found the Solo cups on sale in 100-packs.
 
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