SORRY,SORRY,SORRY, I Screwed Up And Posted The same Thing Twice, So Once Again, SORRY!!! JTG.
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James, you sweet, dear man. 
Your mash of words has become a highlight to my late hours, paragraphs be damned. 
I was blessed to get Dale into hospice in the end. Is that not an option? Those people are angels on earth. Most hospital staff are the same way, they just have to work with the equipment and the hospital's turn them into pill dispensers. Bizarre. We had stellar staff. I'm hoping you have the same. I know it's hard going there. I practically lived there before hospice. Slept every night in a chair, ran home in the morning to tend the garden and clean up and do it all again.
It was a long four months. I still can't believe I kept the grow and the daily journal updates going. I think that may have kept me sane. Dale died of kidney failure in the end. Again, I know where you are. The labs are rediculous. All that needless digging for veins everybody know they won't be able to find.
You'll survive this James. I'm living proof that one can not only survive it but do it with joy and passion. You're cut from the same cloth. I can feel that right through the digital field.
Your mash of words has become a highlight to my late hours, paragraphs be damned. I was blessed to get Dale into hospice in the end. Is that not an option? Those people are angels on earth. Most hospital staff are the same way, they just have to work with the equipment and the hospital's turn them into pill dispensers. Bizarre. We had stellar staff. I'm hoping you have the same. I know it's hard going there. I practically lived there before hospice. Slept every night in a chair, ran home in the morning to tend the garden and clean up and do it all again.
It was a long four months. I still can't believe I kept the grow and the daily journal updates going. I think that may have kept me sane. Dale died of kidney failure in the end. Again, I know where you are. The labs are rediculous. All that needless digging for veins everybody know they won't be able to find.
You'll survive this James. I'm living proof that one can not only survive it but do it with joy and passion. You're cut from the same cloth. I can feel that right through the digital field.
Heirloom that golden color reminds me so much of the spray paint and shellac my early teachers would have us do to make projects to take home. I am whipping up some STS soon. Will have to see what it does to the plants.
JTG words cannot express. I know it's going to be hard. Awesome people like Sue are great to have watching over you. My heart goes out to you in this impossible time.
JTG words cannot express. I know it's going to be hard. Awesome people like Sue are great to have watching over you. My heart goes out to you in this impossible time.
I don't know if any Aus sativas make it out your way but we got some nice unmolested ones up in the hills still. They those 25' sativas. Can get seeds called Mullumbimby Madness but I'm not sure of legitimacy, lots of wild bush weed up there...
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Shigg, your STS should do nothing from what I understand. It may slow growth for a week or two, but should not really stress or burn. My plants are gold color because of the CS and STS reacting on the leaf surface.
I'm not sure where you sourced your info/recipe or materials. There's plenty of info out there, most is regurgitated and wrong I'm sure. And you see it in their results, if they even ever follow up. But if you are using a recipe that calls for anhydrous sodium thiosulfate and you get pentahydrate, you need to adjust the ratio to account for the H2O (use 1.5 times more Na2S2O3-5H2O....a 6:1 ratio rather than 4:1). Don't assume that because you got a powder that it's anhydrous. Most is penta ground up from what I found. I'm positive this detail has been overlooked time and again and the results are never good. Burning, failure to reverse, pods with no pollen etc.
Which Na2S2O3 did you get? And what 'recipe' are you planning to use? How many applications are you planning and at what intervals?
I'm not sure where you sourced your info/recipe or materials. There's plenty of info out there, most is regurgitated and wrong I'm sure. And you see it in their results, if they even ever follow up. But if you are using a recipe that calls for anhydrous sodium thiosulfate and you get pentahydrate, you need to adjust the ratio to account for the H2O (use 1.5 times more Na2S2O3-5H2O....a 6:1 ratio rather than 4:1). Don't assume that because you got a powder that it's anhydrous. Most is penta ground up from what I found. I'm positive this detail has been overlooked time and again and the results are never good. Burning, failure to reverse, pods with no pollen etc.
Which Na2S2O3 did you get? And what 'recipe' are you planning to use? How many applications are you planning and at what intervals?
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Have a good night all.
Grizz, my thoughts are with you, your family and your friends family.
James, you too my friend.
Feel free to vent, rant, share or ramble.
Leaving these on the table. They better not be here when I wake up.
I'll start the first one
Grizz, my thoughts are with you, your family and your friends family.
James, you too my friend.
Feel free to vent, rant, share or ramble.
Leaving these on the table. They better not be here when I wake up.
I'll start the first one
Taken & Thankyou , don't mind if I do
Shigg, your STS should do nothing from what I understand. It may slow growth for a week or two, but should not really stress or burn. My plants are gold color because of the CS and STS reacting on the leaf surface.
I'm not sure where you sourced your info/recipe or materials. There's plenty of info out there, most is regurgitated and wrong I'm sure. And you see it in their results, if they even ever follow up. But if you are using a recipe that calls for anhydrous sodium thiosulfate and you get pentahydrate, you need to adjust the ratio to account for the H2O (use 1.5 times more Na2S2O3-5H2O....a 6:1 ratio rather than 4:1). Don't assume that because you got a powder that it's anhydrous. Most is penta ground up from what I found. I'm positive this detail has been overlooked time and again and the results are never good. Burning, failure to reverse, pods with no pollen etc.
Which Na2S2O3 did you get? And what 'recipe' are you planning to use? How many applications are you planning and at what intervals?
I did get the pentahydrate because it was much cheaper. I was reading that you must adjust the amount of sodium thiosulfate by 1.56.
"Prepare a 0.1 M Sodium Thiosulfate (STS) stock solution by dissolving 1.58 g of Sodium Thiosulphate into 100 ml of water. Prepare a 0.1 M Silver Nitrate stock solution by dissolving 1.7 g of Silver Nitrate into 100 ml of water. Store the stock solutions in the dark until needed to prepare the STS.
In general, the STS is prepared with a molar ratio between silver and thiosulfate of 1:4, respectively. Nearly all of the silver present in the solution is in the form of
[Ag(S2O3)2]3-, the active complex for ethylene effect inhibition.
Prepare a 0.02 M STS by slowly pouring 20 ml of 0.1 M silver nitrate stock solution into 80 ml of 0.1 M sodium thiosulfate stock solution. The STS can be stored in the refrigerator for up to a month. However, preparation of the STS just prior to use is recommended.
Either sodium thiosulfate anhydrous or sodium thiosulfate pentahydrate can be used but if using sodium thiosulfate pentahydrate it is less concentrated than sodium thiosulfate anhydrous and you need to use 1.56x more."
I was going to give a first spray 2 weeks before flowering the girls but have been trying to find a good schedule. Do you have one you would recommend?
Me Too HL, Me Too!!! I Am A Hoarder And A Librarian And A Aficionado Of Herb As Well, As You Are As Well Too, As ALL That Subscribe To This Site Are, I Imagine
!!! I Have A Herb Library Of Strains, But I Think It Has Been So Long Since I Have Used Many Of Them(REMEMBER I COULD ONLY GROW 25 AT A TIME, AND HAVE NOT REALLY GROWN MY VERY OWN JAMES' AND YARROW'S GARDEN, IN SEVERAL, PROBABLY AT LEAST 3 SEASONS NOW. I Made This Cross, The Last Garden That My "OH IT'S THE RIGHT THING FOR US TO DO, TO HELP YOU", Or So Sayeth My Land Lords, Instead, They Charged Me 10 Grand, For Just His Work Alone, Which Was Mixing The Containers, Adding The Amendments, And Transplanting The Females I Chose For Him To Transplant, He Was Supposed To Keep Them Watered And Fertilized As Well, But From May Till The Middle Of August I Did ALL The Work, Caging, Staking, Tying Off, ETC., He Took Over For Those Few Weeks In August And September For Me, Me Thinking He Was Doing It Out Of The Kindness Of His Heart(BOY WAS I WRONG). Anyways He Is Also Like A Freaking Weasel, He Harvested All The Herb Before I Returned Home From The Hospital, Would Not Let Me See It, Nor Give Me A Key To His Garage, So I Could See It, He Came To My Home While They Were Finishing Up On The Last Plants, And Wanted Money To Pay His Wife For Helping, As Well As The Two Out Of State Vagabonds That He Hired (I WOUND UP SCREWED THERE AS WELL, AS I WOUND UP PAYING FOR THEM TOO!!!) So On Top Of The 10 He Came To My House To Fumingly Demand In Front Of My Sick Wife, Who At This Time Was Confined To Her Hospital Bed In The Living Room, When He Came In With His Wife Ranting And Raving, Because I Had Gone Up To See My Plants, Apparently He Was Golfing, And Mysteriously She Did Not Have A Garage Key?!?! He Used This To Come To My Home And Fly Off The Handle, But In Truth, I Just Wanted Him Out Of My Home, Because My Wife Did Not Deserve To See And Hear His Totally Uncouth Rage He Went Into About $$$$. Us Having Just Arrived Home From A 7 Hour Car Ride From Stanford Medical Center, One Of The Only Places That Has Actually Treated Her Several Times, The Head Bariatric Surgeon There, Is A Good Man, But I Pick Up On Things Pretty Quickly, And I Could Sense, That For God Knows What Reason, I Make Him Nervous, Why I Do Not Not Know, I Am A Clean Shaven High And Tight Flat Top Wearer, Sometimes I Let My Hair Go For Several Months, Like 2-4, And Look At How My Hair Grows Out, And When My Hair Says Cut Me, I Try To Obey, By This Time I Am Usually Wanting My Hair Cut, But It Really Disturbs Me That I Make This Man Nervous, He Literally Stutters, Has A Hard Time Looking Into My Eyes, Always Asks Where My Wife's Mom Is, Then During The Entire Time He Speaks To Yarrow And I, He Figets, And I Know That My Mere Presence, Makes Him Edgy Which Makes Me Edgy, Because I Think He Is Gay, And I Look The Way I Do, Like A Regular Backwoods Mountain Guy!!! I Think He Feels Like I Want To Hurt Him, But In Truth I Really Admire The Way He Dresses, His Glasses, The Rims Match Color Wise With Whatever He Is Wearing, If It Is A Purple So Are They, If He Wears Yellow, He'll Be Wearing Yellow Rims. But I Make Him Nervous, And That Makes Me Feel Bad, Because I Could Care Less What His Sexual Orientation Is, I Have No Interest In That, Just The Part About Being The Head Bariatric Surgeon At Stanford Is What Concerns Me, And I Respect Him For His Knowkedge And Really Trying To Help Yarrow, But Yeah, WEIRD!!! , WE Were In The Worst Slow Moving Traffic, It Really Sucked, Yarrow Was So Ill When We Got Home Around 2-2:30PM, I Believe It Was Around That Time, And My Land Lord Accosted Me, So To Get Him The Hell Out Of The House I Just Said OK, Whats The Damage, And Ruefully Paid Him Off, The Frigging A.shole!!! , He Also Had Me Pay The Workers As Well, All Told Another $8,000 Dollars!!! I Have Never Been Charged Like That For Anything Before. In My Mind, I Was Gonna Give Him Several Pounds Of Medicine, As That Is All He Deserved, And In Truth He Did Not Even Deserve This. So He Held My Herb Hostage Till I Payed Him, And Then It Was VERY Obvious That All Of My Main Kolas Were Not Included In What He Basically Stacked On My Doorstep, In Bins, Not Fully Dried, And Just About Every Bud Was A Third Largest Bud On The Plant Type, As You Go From Main Kolas, Secondary Kolas, Then You Reach What I Call Middle Herb, Not The Size Of The Main Kolas Obviously, Or The Secondary Kolas Even. No He Threw(LITERALLY, On My Front Porch, All Mixed Up, And No Longer Divided Into Their Strains) Half Dried Herb, And It Was All The Least Buds, Of The Buds. He Must Think I Am F.king Stupid Or Something, But You Guys, The Strains I Had Him Growing Were All Large Producing Kushes, My Heirloom Kush, My Highland Kush, My Mazari-Shareef(NOT A KUSH AN AFGHANI), Orange Krush(ALSO NOT A KUSH, BUT, A SATIVA,INDICA CROSS, LEANING MORE TO THE INDICA SIDE IN SOME, THE SATIVA SIDE IN OTHERS, ITS ALL GOOD REGARDLESS. I CANNOT REMEMBER EVERYTHING ELSE WE GREW THAT YEAR, BUT I SEEDED ONE OF MY HEIRLOOM KUSHES WITH GREEN MARTIAN, AND HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW IT MYSELF YET.) Can Anyone Give Me The True FYI On The Green Martian??? Momma Grew One Plant Of It Last Year, But She Grew It As An After Thought, So It Was Placed In Her garden, In The Area That Has The Least Light, Plus It Was Started Late For Her, As She Had Bought A Bunch Of Clones, Called Something Like Blue Royale, And Royale, Was The Main Ones She Purchased, Unfortunately For Momma, Because She Would Not Listen To Me(ONCE AGAIN), About Buying Clones In February And Taking Them Outside With Out Extra Lighting To Keep Them From Flowering, She Wasted About $1,000 Dollars This Way, If She Would Ever Hear Me, This Would Not Happen, And Another Thing, I Told Her That, Yeah Clones Can Get Big And Nice And Have Heavy Yields When Done Properly, But We Have ALWAYS Been Seed Growers. So The Green Martian X Heirloom Kush, Even Started Late For Her, Got Placed In The Worst Garden Spot She Had, But It Still Yielded Her(LATE START AND ALL, About 1.5 Pounds Of Dynamite Smoke. So If Anyone Knows Of This Strain(GREEN MARTIAN), Please Tell Me A Lot About It, It Was Just A Very Nice Looking Male, That I Collected Pollen And Flowers From, And Made My Crosses With My Heirloom Kush. Thank You All For The Love!!!Commander Of The 420 Knights Watch, JamesTheGreen!!!
!!! I Have A Herb Library Of Strains, But I Think It Has Been So Long Since I Have Used Many Of Them(REMEMBER I COULD ONLY GROW 25 AT A TIME, AND HAVE NOT REALLY GROWN MY VERY OWN JAMES' AND YARROW'S GARDEN, IN SEVERAL, PROBABLY AT LEAST 3 SEASONS NOW. I Made This Cross, The Last Garden That My "OH IT'S THE RIGHT THING FOR US TO DO, TO HELP YOU", Or So Sayeth My Land Lords, Instead, They Charged Me 10 Grand, For Just His Work Alone, Which Was Mixing The Containers, Adding The Amendments, And Transplanting The Females I Chose For Him To Transplant, He Was Supposed To Keep Them Watered And Fertilized As Well, But From May Till The Middle Of August I Did ALL The Work, Caging, Staking, Tying Off, ETC., He Took Over For Those Few Weeks In August And September For Me, Me Thinking He Was Doing It Out Of The Kindness Of His Heart(BOY WAS I WRONG). Anyways He Is Also Like A Freaking Weasel, He Harvested All The Herb Before I Returned Home From The Hospital, Would Not Let Me See It, Nor Give Me A Key To His Garage, So I Could See It, He Came To My Home While They Were Finishing Up On The Last Plants, And Wanted Money To Pay His Wife For Helping, As Well As The Two Out Of State Vagabonds That He Hired (I WOUND UP SCREWED THERE AS WELL, AS I WOUND UP PAYING FOR THEM TOO!!!) So On Top Of The 10 He Came To My House To Fumingly Demand In Front Of My Sick Wife, Who At This Time Was Confined To Her Hospital Bed In The Living Room, When He Came In With His Wife Ranting And Raving, Because I Had Gone Up To See My Plants, Apparently He Was Golfing, And Mysteriously She Did Not Have A Garage Key?!?! He Used This To Come To My Home And Fly Off The Handle, But In Truth, I Just Wanted Him Out Of My Home, Because My Wife Did Not Deserve To See And Hear His Totally Uncouth Rage He Went Into About $$$$. Us Having Just Arrived Home From A 7 Hour Car Ride From Stanford Medical Center, One Of The Only Places That Has Actually Treated Her Several Times, The Head Bariatric Surgeon There, Is A Good Man, But I Pick Up On Things Pretty Quickly, And I Could Sense, That For God Knows What Reason, I Make Him Nervous, Why I Do Not Not Know, I Am A Clean Shaven High And Tight Flat Top Wearer, Sometimes I Let My Hair Go For Several Months, Like 2-4, And Look At How My Hair Grows Out, And When My Hair Says Cut Me, I Try To Obey, By This Time I Am Usually Wanting My Hair Cut, But It Really Disturbs Me That I Make This Man Nervous, He Literally Stutters, Has A Hard Time Looking Into My Eyes, Always Asks Where My Wife's Mom Is, Then During The Entire Time He Speaks To Yarrow And I, He Figets, And I Know That My Mere Presence, Makes Him Edgy Which Makes Me Edgy, Because I Think He Is Gay, And I Look The Way I Do, Like A Regular Backwoods Mountain Guy!!! I Think He Feels Like I Want To Hurt Him, But In Truth I Really Admire The Way He Dresses, His Glasses, The Rims Match Color Wise With Whatever He Is Wearing, If It Is A Purple So Are They, If He Wears Yellow, He'll Be Wearing Yellow Rims. But I Make Him Nervous, And That Makes Me Feel Bad, Because I Could Care Less What His Sexual Orientation Is, I Have No Interest In That, Just The Part About Being The Head Bariatric Surgeon At Stanford Is What Concerns Me, And I Respect Him For His Knowkedge And Really Trying To Help Yarrow, But Yeah, WEIRD!!! , WE Were In The Worst Slow Moving Traffic, It Really Sucked, Yarrow Was So Ill When We Got Home Around 2-2:30PM, I Believe It Was Around That Time, And My Land Lord Accosted Me, So To Get Him The Hell Out Of The House I Just Said OK, Whats The Damage, And Ruefully Paid Him Off, The Frigging A.shole!!! , He Also Had Me Pay The Workers As Well, All Told Another $8,000 Dollars!!! I Have Never Been Charged Like That For Anything Before. In My Mind, I Was Gonna Give Him Several Pounds Of Medicine, As That Is All He Deserved, And In Truth He Did Not Even Deserve This. So He Held My Herb Hostage Till I Payed Him, And Then It Was VERY Obvious That All Of My Main Kolas Were Not Included In What He Basically Stacked On My Doorstep, In Bins, Not Fully Dried, And Just About Every Bud Was A Third Largest Bud On The Plant Type, As You Go From Main Kolas, Secondary Kolas, Then You Reach What I Call Middle Herb, Not The Size Of The Main Kolas Obviously, Or The Secondary Kolas Even. No He Threw(LITERALLY, On My Front Porch, All Mixed Up, And No Longer Divided Into Their Strains) Half Dried Herb, And It Was All The Least Buds, Of The Buds. He Must Think I Am F.king Stupid Or Something, But You Guys, The Strains I Had Him Growing Were All Large Producing Kushes, My Heirloom Kush, My Highland Kush, My Mazari-Shareef(NOT A KUSH AN AFGHANI), Orange Krush(ALSO NOT A KUSH, BUT, A SATIVA,INDICA CROSS, LEANING MORE TO THE INDICA SIDE IN SOME, THE SATIVA SIDE IN OTHERS, ITS ALL GOOD REGARDLESS. I CANNOT REMEMBER EVERYTHING ELSE WE GREW THAT YEAR, BUT I SEEDED ONE OF MY HEIRLOOM KUSHES WITH GREEN MARTIAN, AND HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW IT MYSELF YET.) Can Anyone Give Me The True FYI On The Green Martian??? Momma Grew One Plant Of It Last Year, But She Grew It As An After Thought, So It Was Placed In Her garden, In The Area That Has The Least Light, Plus It Was Started Late For Her, As She Had Bought A Bunch Of Clones, Called Something Like Blue Royale, And Royale, Was The Main Ones She Purchased, Unfortunately For Momma, Because She Would Not Listen To Me(ONCE AGAIN), About Buying Clones In February And Taking Them Outside With Out Extra Lighting To Keep Them From Flowering, She Wasted About $1,000 Dollars This Way, If She Would Ever Hear Me, This Would Not Happen, And Another Thing, I Told Her That, Yeah Clones Can Get Big And Nice And Have Heavy Yields When Done Properly, But We Have ALWAYS Been Seed Growers. So The Green Martian X Heirloom Kush, Even Started Late For Her, Got Placed In The Worst Garden Spot She Had, But It Still Yielded Her(LATE START AND ALL, About 1.5 Pounds Of Dynamite Smoke. So If Anyone Knows Of This Strain(GREEN MARTIAN), Please Tell Me A Lot About It, It Was Just A Very Nice Looking Male, That I Collected Pollen And Flowers From, And Made My Crosses With My Heirloom Kush. Thank You All For The Love!!!Commander Of The 420 Knights Watch, JamesTheGreen!!!
Karma is a b**ch James. I certainly wouldn't want that man's karma. I'm distressed that someone would take such advantage of you and Yarrow. No good can come of it for them.
Those are some luscious strains listed there. You're still a young man. You'll grow again and make up for lost time. I know it's got to be tough not growing. I took two months off over the holidays and it was painful. Lol! Someday I want an outdoor garden.
Those are some luscious strains listed there. You're still a young man. You'll grow again and make up for lost time. I know it's got to be tough not growing. I took two months off over the holidays and it was painful. Lol! Someday I want an outdoor garden.
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Shigg-
Honestly, what do I know, lol? I out smarted myself getting true colloidal silver rather than ionic silver, which is what the CS method ACTUALLY needs.
All I know so far in the silver adventure is:
-Ionic Silver is needed. Colloidal Silver, which has a complete outer electron shell, does not work. Most 'Colloidal Silver' products are actually ionic silver, including DIY made CS.
-When using pentahydrate in STS use 1.56 times more than anhydrous.
-The correct mixed ratio is 4:1 Sodium Thiosulfate:Silver Nitrate.
-The silver component is light sensitive
What I believe, or questionable info I am working off of:
-The solution should not burn or really damage the plant. It may be unhappy for a few days, it may slow or even stunt growth to some extent.
-The STS has a working life of roughly 3 weeks, meaning sometime around 21 days after application (probably strain specific) it will stop blocking ethylene and the plant will be stuck sort of in limbo. Problems range from no sacks to empty sacks (lol) to 'hollow' or non viable pollen resulting in pistil die back but no seed.
-First application should be in the evening before the first night of flower/flip. Before then it should not matter since the plant is not in flower and thus the ethylene does not need to be blocked.
-A second application to extend the ethylene block through peak ovulation time and ensure viable pollen should be applied 14 days after the first application. Some longer strains (never ending sativas) might need a third dose in 10-14 days after the second. I believe the ethylene needs to be blocked all the way through and past what would be peak flower ovulation, which is of course strain specific. I think peak ovulation starts at about 21 days for most of the 8-10wk strains, to maybe day 28-36 for longer strains.
This is the mix I used:
1g Silver Nitrate mixed into 60ml RO
6G Sodium Thiosulfate mixed into 240ml RO (Pentahydrate)
Mix the 300ml into 600ml RO for a total of 900ml
I made the 60ml and 240ml solutions, but mixed smaller quantities of each, plus the RO water to come out with 200ml final volume of working mixture. Same mix, just scaled down so I didn't waste any. I saved the remainder of part A and B in pyrex bottles a light tight box in my shop fridge for future use.
Ah...I knew I saw your mix somewhere. This is from another forum, where the cannabis is international. Thread title is "Side by side STS recipe experiment".
Later in that thread GET MO reports that the first two recipes were a bust. However the third recipe was apparently a success, though I have not actually seen the results. He/she MAY have had better luck timing the second application with recipes #1 and #2 at 2 weeks rather than 1.....IMHO.
Shigg, please feel free to cross post your results here too. I'm not going to make a recommendation you do anything other than what you feel is the way to go. I was just wondering where your reading led you.
Maybe together we can get this licked and provide proof positive results. I know a couple people who would love to test some beans, lol.
Honestly, what do I know, lol? I out smarted myself getting true colloidal silver rather than ionic silver, which is what the CS method ACTUALLY needs.
All I know so far in the silver adventure is:
-Ionic Silver is needed. Colloidal Silver, which has a complete outer electron shell, does not work. Most 'Colloidal Silver' products are actually ionic silver, including DIY made CS.
-When using pentahydrate in STS use 1.56 times more than anhydrous.
-The correct mixed ratio is 4:1 Sodium Thiosulfate:Silver Nitrate.
-The silver component is light sensitive
What I believe, or questionable info I am working off of:
-The solution should not burn or really damage the plant. It may be unhappy for a few days, it may slow or even stunt growth to some extent.
-The STS has a working life of roughly 3 weeks, meaning sometime around 21 days after application (probably strain specific) it will stop blocking ethylene and the plant will be stuck sort of in limbo. Problems range from no sacks to empty sacks (lol) to 'hollow' or non viable pollen resulting in pistil die back but no seed.
-First application should be in the evening before the first night of flower/flip. Before then it should not matter since the plant is not in flower and thus the ethylene does not need to be blocked.
-A second application to extend the ethylene block through peak ovulation time and ensure viable pollen should be applied 14 days after the first application. Some longer strains (never ending sativas) might need a third dose in 10-14 days after the second. I believe the ethylene needs to be blocked all the way through and past what would be peak flower ovulation, which is of course strain specific. I think peak ovulation starts at about 21 days for most of the 8-10wk strains, to maybe day 28-36 for longer strains.
This is the mix I used:
1g Silver Nitrate mixed into 60ml RO
6G Sodium Thiosulfate mixed into 240ml RO (Pentahydrate)
Mix the 300ml into 600ml RO for a total of 900ml
I made the 60ml and 240ml solutions, but mixed smaller quantities of each, plus the RO water to come out with 200ml final volume of working mixture. Same mix, just scaled down so I didn't waste any. I saved the remainder of part A and B in pyrex bottles a light tight box in my shop fridge for future use.
Ah...I knew I saw your mix somewhere. This is from another forum, where the cannabis is international. Thread title is "Side by side STS recipe experiment".
GET MO said:
Later in that thread GET MO reports that the first two recipes were a bust. However the third recipe was apparently a success, though I have not actually seen the results. He/she MAY have had better luck timing the second application with recipes #1 and #2 at 2 weeks rather than 1.....IMHO.
Shigg, please feel free to cross post your results here too. I'm not going to make a recommendation you do anything other than what you feel is the way to go. I was just wondering where your reading led you.
Maybe together we can get this licked and provide proof positive results. I know a couple people who would love to test some beans, lol.
That is some great info there Heirloom. I thank you for it as I had not found that while thread. Together let's get a solid working protocol for all to use.
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I'm glad to have you as a fellow tester (or test subject? lol) of STS.
And yes, upon success we should start a thread, and/or add our data and results to the thread we already have...
How To Reverse Sex Using Silver Thiosulfate Solution
That info is a direct copy from another site....I think all the way back to 2001. It is that original info (plus updated info by the original poster I found posted some 5 years later) PLUS the above thread (by GET MO) from last year that I am basing my plan off of. Everything else out there is cut and paste bastardized by faulty info and conjecture....IMHO
Can't tell you how tired I am of reading....
"Dude, you can't do that, you'll just make hermies. I just light stress mine".....
And in so doing they are selecting the weakest genetics, fulfilling their own prophecy.
And yes, upon success we should start a thread, and/or add our data and results to the thread we already have...
How To Reverse Sex Using Silver Thiosulfate Solution
That info is a direct copy from another site....I think all the way back to 2001. It is that original info (plus updated info by the original poster I found posted some 5 years later) PLUS the above thread (by GET MO) from last year that I am basing my plan off of. Everything else out there is cut and paste bastardized by faulty info and conjecture....IMHO
Can't tell you how tired I am of reading....
"Dude, you can't do that, you'll just make hermies. I just light stress mine".....
And in so doing they are selecting the weakest genetics, fulfilling their own prophecy.
There's a few threads dedicated to how to use colloidal silver to create female pollen.. Bid had some dedicated to it, one was how to make it.. Use a 40ppm silver, spray plant three times a day just as it starts to show after flip, collect pollen, throw away plant or do little of plant, collect pollen and throw away surrounding area of that plant, anywhere there was a chance of spray hitting it.. It all depends on how much pollen you want and how far you going with your breeding.. An idea, Once you get your strongest female, clone, veg for week or so, then hit that whole plant with it, won't be like you want some for a smoke and your not chancing contaminated smoke...
I hope I'm talking about the same thing here, I forgot to read... Oops... Sorry...
I hope I'm talking about the same thing here, I forgot to read... Oops... Sorry...
I feel I've missed something's... What's going on here, how many pages back to catch up or another thread...