Heavens Shores - Bill's 2022 Grow: Come Meet Howie! Show Us Your Grow Too - Bring A Pic

[Bill284]

You're more experienced than I Bill, nonetheless, I'm so ^$@# gutted I have to do something, anything, so I'm gonna list in order what I'd do if I had no outside influence to steer me.

1.) Confirm, then double confirm it is in fact broad mites. Cannot overlook this one. Then, if affirmative

1.5) You could do the following before confirming ID, probably should: Separate plants into three groups, 1) no obvious mite activity 2) Mite activity with minimal damage, like only swirled new leaves or just a couple tips 3) Heavey damage plants.

2.) Distance groups as far from each other as possible, even if just a meter or two is all you've got. Favour no-mite damage group with most protection/distance.

3.) Boil water in tallest pot you have. Allow cool 5 mins. Then holding upside down as if to transplant, quickly dip each plant into the hot water. In and out. Tough on plants? Yeah, but desperate times.... you might choose not to do this with group #1, esp. seedlings in it, but I'd do all myself.

4) remove all affected leaves, all.

5.) Buy a systemic, chemical insecticide. "Avid", Forbid" "AgroMagen". Use as directed for BMs. Plants will be vegging a while, so plant has time to flush those out by the time you harvest. Sucks I know, but BMs are strategic-level opponents, not tactical ones. I mean Neam, sure, but these bastards are inside the plant. I would use Neam possibly as weekly, post-war, application.

6.) sketch out a weekly broadmite engagement/prevention tactical plan. Such as all these together:

Yeah, order those anti-mite er... mites. Even if an effective kill effort seems to clear the issue, broadmites still demand a weekly treatment until short time after flip/flowering. - Dust diatomacious earth on remaining dry leaves, pots, shelves in growspace, anywhere, everywhere. - Neam until flip, but it builds up and they can become resistant so maybe Neam every 10 days, not weekly.

If you know people with clones to give/sell, start calling.... I know one 'commercial' clone-raising consultancy that just 'happens' to come with free clones, primo too. Really hurting for ya, but there are ways to still make sure you can get your grow on.

Good morning R.D. you are correct in your research.

This is the only product that gets inside the cells of the plant and poisons them.
But the effects on humans aren't good.
Here are a couple.

I've got the product, water damaged from the fire but it's in my hands.
Ready to use but.
I'm making RSO, if I convert all of that to rso won't I be ingesting that poison.
I have a few seeds and I'll start looking for clones today.
I figure there won't be much left worth saving today.
That's why I said 24 hr.
If it's mites by end of today they will be sticks in dirt.
I figure instead of wasting a week trying to save sticks the week would be better used to start new seeds and move forward.
Thanks for the suggestions.
What's your opinion on the poison?
Is it worth the risk?
Or just get cracking and start over?

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Bill284]

Sorry to hear Bill.


Sending out some good vibes

Thank you my friend.
I'm a little heartbroken over this.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Bill284]

GWE has this posted for Broad mites

"Some growers will try to get rid of them by on small plants or clones by dunking the plants in hot water (105°F / 40°C) for 10-20 minutes. I’ve also heard of growers try to reduce their number by overheating the grow space to 115°F (46°C) for an hour. Be careful as this can be dangerous if you don’t take safety precautions, and any heat method strong enough to kill the mites will likely hurt your plants."

If I dink the babies in boiling water for 20 minutes I'd have such a mess.
Can you imagine trying to boil 25 girls in solo cups.
It's a logistical nightmare.
Let alone the results.
I'm pretty sure the last time I boiled a vegetable for 20 minutes it wasn't going to grow ever again .
Thank you my friend, I appreciate your time.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Bill284]

Oh no! I was just about to welcome you back to the action…..

Thanks DB I'm back in the action alright.
Just call me Billy the exterminator.
Oh yeah that's taken.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[ReservoirDog]

Looks like kill or be killed. It feels like you got mugged in the safest, most public, well known part of the city, not a dark alley someplace. Sadly your ounce of prevention really kicked your ass. Ironically awful. I hope that Howie and Stacy (?) being around keeps you from slipping into the blues. For me living alone is great until something happens that could really hurt comes along, then I have to be ultra vigilant over my psyche. I'm still in the hole I dug after smacking myself. Def. improving though. However, I got new internet service provider requiring a technician visit... ultimately req'd 5 different techs 5 whole days and a dozen unnecessary holes in the wall. "It will only take an hour..." No it won't I told him. By the end of it, today, I was basically hiding from them, unsure I'd be able to keep my anger in check. It wasn't the time so much as the total unprofessionalism, ok, and the time. Couldn't use my phone either. Really not in character for me, but was def enough hijinks to more than annoy anyone.

How are you and yours doing? Gonna be OK? You put a lot of work at great physical and financial cost, it's normal to be really feeling it. I know I am. 20 seeds, virtually nothing to show. A few scabby moms one day, maybe. Last 5 were 100% my fault, I made a willow tea for the rooting hormone but really I made it as a concentrate, and applied it as a watered down tea. Oops. Sizzle. Stuff measured 3400 ppm. Oops. Sizzle. I even used a hypodermic to get it all down with the roots (were in med.-large seedling bags holding 2-3 cups coco-perlite). Oops. Sizzle. No money for more seeds. Oops. Sizzle.

I ordered an organic miticide/fertilizer from the Philippines about 6-8 weeks ago and forgot all about it until today. Was some new-fangled biotech... well I mean, really just plant-parts ground up, as usual, but the idea is that it's an organic, systemic miticide that has strong fertilization benefit. The mechanism was interesting and I'm trying to find the damn receipt/website.... I'll keep trying.

 

[Danishoes21]

Thank you my friend.
I'm a little heartbroken over this.

Stay safe
Bill

I would be too. I feel you.

I have been there losing all my plants. Hopefully you got it in ya to pull out a couple for the rest of the summer

 

[Bill284]

Looks like kill or be killed. It feels like you got mugged in the safest, most public, well known part of the city, not a dark alley someplace. Sadly your ounce of prevention really kicked your ass. Ironically awful. I hope that Howie and Stacy (?) being around keeps you from slipping into the blues. For me living alone is great until something happens that could really hurt comes along, then I have to be ultra vigilant over my psyche. I'm still in the hole I dug after smacking myself. Def. improving though. However, I got new internet service provider requiring a technician visit... ultimately req'd 5 different techs 5 whole days and a dozen unnecessary holes in the wall. "It will only take an hour..." No it won't I told him. By the end of it, today, I was basically hiding from them, unsure I'd be able to keep my anger in check. It wasn't the time so much as the total unprofessionalism, ok, and the time. Couldn't use my phone either. Really not in character for me, but was def enough hijinks to more than annoy anyone.

How are you and yours doing? Gonna be OK? You put a lot of work at great physical and financial cost, it's normal to be really feeling it. I know I am. 20 seeds, virtually nothing to show. A few scabby moms one day, maybe. Last 5 were 100% my fault, I made a willow tea for the rooting hormone but really I made it as a concentrate, and applied it as a watered down tea. Oops. Sizzle. Stuff measured 3400 ppm. Oops. Sizzle. I even used a hypodermic to get it all down with the roots (were in med.-large seedling bags holding 2-3 cups coco-perlite). Oops. Sizzle. No money for more seeds. Oops. Sizzle.

I ordered an organic miticide/fertilizer from the Philippines about 6-8 weeks ago and forgot all about it until today. Was some new-fangled biotech... well I mean, really just plant-parts ground up, as usual, but the idea is that it's an organic, systemic miticide that has strong fertilization benefit. The mechanism was interesting and I'm trying to find the damn receipt/website.... I'll keep trying.

My head is about to fall off.
Probably the best thing for it.
Stacey and Howie are brilliant support thanks.
Don't know how you do it my friend.
I'd be lost with out them.
Howie saved me loosing my sanity over the winter.
Sorry about your tea.
And the internet people yeiks.
Common sense isn't as common as it used to be.
I'm trying to stay positive as the alternative isn't an option.
No blues right, positive thoughts only.
Thanks again.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Bill284]

I would be too. I feel you.

I have been there losing all my plants. Hopefully you got it in ya to pull out a couple for the rest of the summer

I've got a few seeds left.
I only used 4 of the 5 in some packs, just incase I lost the liniage.
So I'll have a little something to grow.
4 crops in a row ,kinda kicks you in the boo boo.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[ReservoirDog]

Good morning R.D. you are correct in your research.

This is the only product that gets inside the cells of the plant and poisons them.
But the effects on humans aren't good.
Here are a couple.

I've got the product, water damaged from the fire but it's in my hands.
Ready to use but.
I'm making RSO, if I convert all of that to rso won't I be ingesting that poison.
I have a few seeds and I'll start looking for clones today.
I figure there won't be much left worth saving today.
That's why I said 24 hr.
If it's mites by end of today they will be sticks in dirt.
I figure instead of wasting a week trying to save sticks the week would be better used to start new seeds and move forward.
Thanks for the suggestions.
What's your opinion on the poison?
Is it worth the risk?
Or just get cracking and start over?

Stay safe
Bill

Srry, for some reason I missed all of the text on this post until just now. Lately I can't see what I'm looking for if it's optimally presented. I'm slippin' dude.

That's the mild version ya got there I think. I was reading up on the 1.5 EC version and yeah, not a decision to be taken lightly. Truthfully I think the greater chunk of risk takes place during mix/application to both you and your local, sensitive and very dynamic environment. Nonetheless you have an ideal structure for spraying. Cucumbers are rated harvest-ready and consumable a mere two days after application of EC1.5. RSO would likely concentrate the poison if there were any remaining but I'm not convinced that this is a larger issue than the dangers associated with spraying itself, which I know you can handle. Fer krissakes keep it out of that river and away from the bees and their preferred haunts. But on a tarp you'll later dispose of responsibly, inside your lux spray booth, you'll have better control than 98% people who use the stuff.

Look, I hate pesticides. But I hate pain and suffering and grief and death and... ya know. I know my potential openness to this won't be popular, but opinions, when its not your crop, are pretty fungible. Just make sure that if you do give it a whirl that its not on a whim or.... you know, get prepped. Get protected. Know your wind/weather. Keep everyone in the house. If you could save some plants with a single application and followup PMT, which is possible, I'd def. consider an attempt worthwhile.

 

[Nine Toed Hippie]

Sorry to hear this Bill. Head up and move forward.

NTH

 

[Azimuth]

Bill,

Sorry to hear of your troubles with mites. If you are at the 'kitchen sink' stage of addressing the issue you might give the old Clackamas Coot idea a try. He recommends adding three meals to your organic mix; crustacean, neem, and karanja.

The crustacean works like your frass in that it encourages the microbes that feed on the chitin found in the shells of ocean creatures like crab, lobster and shrimp, etc., but also makes up the exoskeleton of bugs.

The other two, however, are supposed to work as a systemic, working from the inside out.

I used to have a mite and thrip issue on my plants literally every time I up-potted, though mostly thrips for me. I'd see them about a week or two after. EVERY FEKING TIME! I think they must have come in with my fresh worm castings, but since I added the meals to my growing mix I've had no issues.

Could certainly be a coincidence, but for me it was like magic. And, @Stunger noted in his recent outdoor balcony grow that he had much less bug pressure after incorporating some of them into his mix as well. So, pretty small sample size (n=3) but one of them (Coot) is an absolute legend in the organic soil community.

Hope you get it sorted. The borg is the worst.

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EDIT: I should add that, since your soil is already mixed up, adding them as a top dress and maybe making them into a tea might help whatever positive effects are to be had get started a bit sooner.

 

[Jon]

"Huston we have a problem "

I think I have Broad Mites !!​

Classic Mite Damage

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Every girl is infected overnight
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EVERYTHING

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IS GOING

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IN THE

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GARBAGE

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I Noticed a couple spots I thought were abnormal.
After spraying with regular bug Spray this is the result.
It did kill anything.
But does wash them down to the edges where the bug Spray evaporates.
Congregating them at those points and feken spreading them everywhere.
By spraying the couple infected ones I spread them on everyone.
Thus wiping out my entire grow.
If anyone has a different opinion please chime in.
24 hr and they are going in the garbage.

Stay safe
Bill

Well this wasn’t the news I wanted to start the week with. DAMN. Ouch. You okay? Shot 4 in a row…feeling a little cursed? Sorry Sensei. Perhaps veg them indoors a while?

Look at it this way - it was earlyish. Didn’t cost you a ton of coin just yet. You have replacement seeds. You’re a master at this (4 ouches in a row notwithstanding). You’ll bounce back. Besides, those were too stretchy anyway. Lmao.

 

[gwhunran]

That's rough Bill. We go through hard times don't we. When I'm going through trouble nothing anybody says makes me feel better, but upon reflection, I see that they went to the trouble to try and comfort me.
About all we can do is get up, dust ourselves off, and get back on the bike. We will still be aching for awhile but little by little, start to smile and laugh again.
Sending good vibes.

 

[Rexer]

Good morning Rex.
I've battled this particular demon before.
In order to rid your garden of this, byou remove effected leaves and spray 5he rest.
If a plant has 6 leaves and you remove the effected 4 leaves and spray the other 2 what do you have left.
A sick plant with 2 leaves left.
I can ordered predatory mites and lady bugs or what ever else is available, but
In 24 hr they have damaged half the leaves.
In 3 or 4 days when they arrive there will be nothing left to save.
Tried neem oil, Dr Doom, Diatomaceous earth, sulfer and every other product available.
Literally everything I could find.
Ravenous beasts, lay the eggs inside the plant.
There is no way to kill the eggs.
The mites are microscopic, impossible to see.
And even harder to kill.
Ive tried spraying every other day for 3 weeks, spent hundreds of dollars on every thing imaginable.
In the end I ended up dumping 40 plants and starting over again.
Lost hundreds of dollars in sprays and 3 weeks worth of growing time.
Seeing as there is virtually no leaves left to save and no time left to waste I'll start over.
The seeds I had put away for you, I may borrow half of them.
It's mid June not optimal but doable.
There is no time left to battle bugs, summer is disappearing fast.
I'll start over.
Or just teken pack it in and take up knitting.
This is the 4th crop in a row I've completely lost.
First was the 50 plants I gave away when we decided to move.Gone.
Then the Fire wiped out all the girls I had left. 2nd Gone.
Then the Chronic Thunder team from my winter grow, 31c in window ledge. 3rd Gone.
Then my summer grow, mites. 4 th Gone?
4 in a row.
Thanks Rex.

Stay safe
Bill

Damn Bill, I'm sorry. Should known you'd know those tricks, I had really thought a sulfur burn would be just the trick.

Well my friend, they're your seeds- pop 'em cause you got em . And don't worry about me- my permit paperwork got screwed up, so all my growing beyond the 4 rec ones are on hold.
So I've got two outdoor Photoperiods growing right now, and I'll pop two more for outdoors, probably autos (I don't want to do a 2 plant indoor grow). I've got more than enough seeds to get me through. I say this because...

The offer for you to snip a cutting is still there. I'd offer you a rooted clone- but damn me I keep killing my clones before or just as they start rooting ....I know you'll be able to get them rooting. She already has a wonderful pungent smell- and you can grab a big cutting to get a jump start.
Wish I could do or offer more- but here they are if you'd like a snip (two different strains- so a bonus for you there).
Glad I went to take this pic this morning- looks like I need to water one of them

You've gone through burning hell and back my friend- ain't no little demon bugs gonna keep you down.
But that first harvest in your new digs is going to be sweet- and you will get there- you got this

 

[HashGirl]

I'm so sorry to see that your summer grow has come to a halt due to f@#*cking bugs. I hate bugs. It sounds like you've experienced them before so I'm sure you will choose the solution that works best for you.

If you want any Dark Devil auto seeds, let me know.

 

[Skunksta]

I am a firm believer in burn them.
Only one up side bill.
As you said you could of spent a lot of money fighting the war.
To have a sub par harvest.
Your be up and running again in days.
New location new issues as a man with your know how.
Ready knows and dont need me telling him again.

 

[Krissi Carbone]

Oh Bill

I have no words and unfortunately no advice as I have YET to have these pest issues. This is what scares me so much about outdoor grows-you can't control the environment! I would be lost and out of my mind crying in the greenhouse like I was in my tent last winter when I had my hermies.

I don't understand why things like this happen to the BEST OF PEOPLE!!

YOU KEEP YOUR HEAD UP! That lady and that pup and me way over here, are behind you 150%. I wish I could do something. This made me so sad, it's not fair who these bugs seek out and the happiness they destroy.

I know you'll be back and with a vengeance, right? We are not stopping here???!!!!

 

[Bill284]

I decided to spray them with something.
I'm not sure how it will work
But it seems to have given them speckles.

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But seriously.
I did spray them with something.
It will kill everything.
I'll let them live a couple days and see what happens.
I may not want to make anything from what lives.
Especially R.S.O.
In the meantime I dropped half the seeds I have.
I'm going to take a day with Howie.
Thank you all for your concern.
I'll post a couple pics tomorrow.

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Stay safe
Bill

 

[Krissi Carbone]

I decided to spray them with something.
I'm not sure how it will work
But it seems to have given them speckles. ​

I like freckles

 

[Rexer]

I decided to spray them with something.
I'm not sure how it will work
But it seems to have given them speckles. ​

Dude, that was too funny. Made me laugh and smile.
Nice pan fry...yum!!