Heavenly Hybrid 2nd Grow: Blackberry Kush, Coco Grow, LED450

[MrSauga]

I feel we let you down

 

[Dutchman1990]

Hey Prof Happy to see ya!
I have tried the wire rack treatment recently, I only have one, so I did put them back on the trivet after it didn’t seem to help. I also have perlite to help aerate at the bottom. I do know what you’re taking about with the pooling though. After I water them, I tip them sideways and really help the water drain out well. Last night I moved the lights up some more again and I changed the oscillating fan in case the one I had was too strong. This morning, the #2’s were drooping again. The pH runoff is too high at varying rates for almost all of them. I’ve been watering with lower range pH for a week or so, but it’s not remedying it enough. I’m using organic nutrients, so they don’t follow the same pH guideline as synthetic nutes in coco would, but it’s still too high. I haven’t quite got it figured it out, but my next mission is to get the root zone pH down. (sigh) it’s quite frustrating sometimes, but I’ll get it figured out. I won’t stop trying!!


I miss her too! I’ve asked her on Instagram and she’s tried helping too. Maybe I’ll run everything by her again if getting the root ph down doesn’t fix it. I’m really hoping it does though! Cross fingers and toes everyone, I need some good mojo

Hey HH! Just getting caught up! I know what’s it’s like to have A droopy lady lol but fear not you will figure it out and get through it! It’s all a learning curve and look at how much you’ve accomplished so far! This is just a small stepping stone on your big adventure!

 

[Amy Gardner]

Hey heavenly - it sounds like you have them back to being straight on the tray - no rack (except maybe 1).

How long did you use the rack befor you thought it wasn’t doing anything? Could take a bit to sort itself out.

I really think until you get them off the floor a bit, permanently, you might have this problem - and at the very least it will complicate the trouble shooting if it turns out to keep happening. It’s the first thing many folks will notice I reckon.

If it were me, I’d get a trivet under all of them, just to eliminate the possibility. Then, if it’s still an issue you can chase it knowing that “wet feet” isn’t the problem.

 

[Heavenly Hybrid]

I feel we let you down

Aww Sauga, you big ol softie!
You take too much responsibility my friend!! I appreciate you all trying so hard to help!

Hey heavenly - it sounds like you have them back to being straight on the tray - no rack (except maybe 1).

How long did you use the rack befor you thought it wasn’t doing anything? Could take a bit to sort itself out.

I really think until you get them off the floor a bit, permanently, you might have this problem - and at the very least it will complicate the trouble shooting if it turns out to keep happening. It’s the first thing many folks will notice I reckon.

If it were me, I’d get a trivet under all of them, just to eliminate the possibility. Then, if it’s still an issue you can chase it knowing that “wet feet” isn’t the problem.

I did take the rack away pretty quickly. I was trying to avoid spending any money for the new racks, but I may not have a choice anymore. Hmmm, maybe I can make a diy set up from something we have already?
I bumped up the lights a little more again. The bad side of that is that it’s getting colder and colder as I raise the lights. The last 24 hours the high/low was 72/60°F do you think that could that be a contributing factor too?

 

[MrSauga]

What type of floor is underneath the tent? I read that cold floors will suck the life out of roots. I raised my tent off my concrete floor and put a blanket between the tent and the raised section for that reason.
Just thinking out loud again.

 

[Amy Gardner]

high/low was 72/60°F do you think that could that be a contributing factor too?

Yes - that’s not an extreme low, but it’s lower than ideal I think, although folks have differring perspectives there. I try for no colder than 65ºF, others say anything below 68º is too low and others still will let things go into the low 60s high 50s and still have a surviving plant. It won’t thrive with those temp though - and growth will slow a lot.

What type of floor is underneath the tent? I read that cold floors will suck the life out of roots. I raised my tent off my concrete floor and put a blanket between the tent and the raised section for that reason.
Just thinking out loud again.

What Sauga said!

If the floor is cold, definitely get things off it, if you can.

I’m not sure the cold is contributing to the drop though, but it could be. That kind of droop is nearly always wet feet. Nearly always.

I have used old oven racks to keep things off the floor... sometimes propped up on blocks of timber for stability and strength. If you don’t have anything like that handy and can get to a thrift shop or some such, you might find something cheap. It never ends you know... this continual adjusting of the grow space

Today it’s Blue Dream

 

[Heavenly Hybrid]

What type of floor is underneath the tent? I read that cold floors will suck the life out of roots. I raised my tent off my concrete floor and put a blanket between the tent and the raised section for that reason.
Just thinking out loud again.

So I’ve got the cold concrete floor, then I added a layer of workout/gym mat (probably a 1/4” thick) then I have a mars hydro tent with the thicker material. I don’t know if that makes a difference, but I did try to insulate it a little. I think I have enough mat to add another layer of needed, I just didn’t want it to be too cushy, if that’s possible.

Yes - that’s not an extreme low, but it’s lower than ideal I think, although folks have differring perspectives there. I try for no colder than 65ºF, others say anything below 68º is too low and others still will let things go into the low 60s high 50s and still have a surviving plant. It won’t thrive with those temp though - and growth will slow a lot.


What Sauga said!

If the floor is cold, definitely get things off it, if you can.

I’m not sure the cold is contributing to the drop though, but it could be. That kind of droop is nearly always wet feet. Nearly always.

I have used old oven racks to keep things off the floor... sometimes propped up on blocks of timber for stability and strength. If you don’t have anything like that handy and can get to a thrift shop or some such, you might find something cheap. It never ends you know... this continual adjusting of the grow space

Today it’s Blue Dream

Nice! I’ve been smoking some blue dream too!!
It was in the 75-65 range at first, but light stress has been a possible culprit, so I’ve been bumping them up. Sorry, I think I already said that before.
I just ran everything by Newty and she suggested the root ph as the next thing attempt too. I’ll see what I can do about the racks, they will only improve airflow and no down side, so I’ll make that a priority too.

Thanks for helping me make a plan everyone! I’ve been trying to stay calm about it, but there’s definitely some anxiety creeping around.

 

[Amy Gardner]

It’s gonna be fine. It can be very stressful, so I fully sympathise/empathise! Things get worked out and even plants having trouble often finish well. It always keeps getting better

 

[Heavenly Hybrid]

It’s gonna be fine. It can be very stressful, so I fully sympathise/empathise! Things get worked out and even plants having trouble often finish well. It always keeps getting better

Aw man, I just looked again and it was blue magoo. Still blue together tho!
Aaaaaand I got everyone up on a makeshift rack! We had some old closet shelving that I zip tied together. I’ll get some pics up tomorrow. I’m pretty happy to put those to use, I’ve been nagging Mr. Hybrid to get rid of them. Now I’m glad he ignored me!
Thanks for sparking my creativity @Amy Gardner, you little muse, you.

 

[MrSauga]

So I’ve got the cold concrete floor, then I added a layer of workout/gym mat (probably a 1/4” thick) then I have a mars hydro tent with the thicker material. I don’t know if that makes a difference, but I did try to insulate it a little. I think I have enough mat to add another layer of needed, I just didn’t want it to be too cushy, if that’s possible.

On your next run, when the tent is empty, I'd try and get a little more beffer in between. The 1/4" gym mat will help but it's not really an insulator, and will only hold and transfer the cold. If you or your hubby can build you a small frame that fits under the tent and lifts it off about 3-4" then it's ideal. The frame has a piece of plywood on top making it very firm.
You can then fit pieces of styrofoam in the framework between the floor for added insulation if you need.

As Amy said, it may not be the problem, but you never want the pots cold to touch underneath. A quick way to check is put a thermometer between the tent floor and the pot and see what readout you get.

 

[Itibitiguy]

Get a 2 inch piece of foam under your tent, and maybe elevate your pots an inch or two so the air circulation get underneath. I've had cold "feet" on some girls, really stunts them.

 

[Amy Gardner]

had some old closet shelving that I zip tied together

I’m glad the hubby ignored your requests as well! Yay for repurposing

 

[Heavenly Hybrid]

Hey Heavenly, what did you fiddle with in the tent today?

Well, I added a heater in front of the intake fan. Its happily hanging in the mid 70’s now. Especially lately, we’ve been having some steep evening temperature drops, I’m hoping to help stop any slow down that might be happening. These girls are struggling enough already. I also got them all up on racks of some sort and I added a little temp/Rh thing underneath the rack, so I can try to see if the concrete floor is making them too cold. I also looked again and the mat is 1/2”. No clue if that means anything or not, but it is thicker than I had said before.
And the slow wait to water them all again with lower ph. I looked at my notebook and the ph runoff situation is a problem for all of them to varying degrees. Patience is my new friend.

 

[MrSauga]

I also looked again and the mat is 1/2”. No clue if that means anything or not, but it is thicker than I had said before.

I would think a 1/2" would be fine, but again it's not really an insulator. Although it probably feels cold, not likely to effect the roots, especially now if you have them on racks.
Nice job HH!

 

[Heavenly Hybrid]

I would think a 1/2" would be fine, but again it's not really an insulator. Although it probably feels cold, not likely to effect the roots, especially now if you have them on racks.
Nice job HH!

Thanks Mr. S, I’m trying anything anyone can think of to help these sad babies. My biggest hope is that I can fix up this ph mess I’ve made. I’m thinking up on racks and warmer —> dry out faster —> water with lower ph —> all fixed. Lol, I hope and dream.
Ha, after this grow, I’ll be worrying about it being too hot in there during summer. I’ve been looking on amazon for some garage door insulators. I’m wondering if that would help enough. We also have this little grated opening at the top of the garage. I’ve consodered covering it up somehow, but I figure they built it into the house for a reason so I’m a little scared to cover it.

 

[Dutchman1990]

Portable AC??

 

[Heavenly Hybrid]

Portable AC??

Quite possibly. Lol, I’m procrastinating on that issue until it gets here. I need to discuss it with Mr. Hybrid, but we have central heating/cooling; if I could get the intake hose to bring in the air from inside the house to the tent, it would ideally solve all the seasonal problems. It would mean cutting a hole through the walls for the hose. Not sure if he’ll go for that or not...

 

[MrSauga]

Show him the Grand Canyon, then show him the little itty bitty tiny hole you want to carve out.
I learned the hard way in the winter, not to vent warm air into the garage. I have mold that needs cleaning come spring. I thought it was a great idea at the time, but with my garage closed all winter it was nice and cosy for the mold.
AC is good but could get expensive

 

[Heavenly Hybrid]

Show him the Grand Canyon, then show him the little itty bitty tiny hole you want to carve out.
I learned the hard way in the winter, not to vent warm air into the garage. I have mold that needs cleaning come spring. I thought it was a great idea at the time, but with my garage closed all winter it was nice and cosy for the mold.
AC is good but could get expensive

Lol, good exercise in perspective there Mr. S!
OMG, I read about your garage in your thread, it totally scared me! I’m venting up into the attic and now in the garage too. Should I worry about that too? Yikes

 

[MrSauga]

Lol, good exercise in perspective there Mr. S!
OMG, I read about your garage in your thread, it totally scared me! I’m venting up into the attic and now in the garage too. Should I worry about that too? Yikes

lol, I'm not sure tbh. Only part of my garage is moldy. Any part of the garage that is an exterior wall has no insulation, and has the mold. The parts of the garage that have insulation, attached to the interior of the house, are not touched. It's only on the walls that are cold, since condensation forms and with the warm air it reacted like a perfect storm.