McLoadie have you seen any nute burn??????? If not I may increase the dosage I'm givin the girls
Nothing even close to burn at full dosage.
Harley's Airpot Grow - White Widow - Liberty Haze & Lucy Under LED
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Nothing even close to burn at full dosage.
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Good day Harley. Just getting caught up on everyones journals. Had company this weekend and they had never seen air pots before. Now they're going home to order some!- Thread starter
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I have topped my plants once and the three strains I have seem to have been affected pretty much the same except Lucy seems to have kept the larger leaves but the White Widow and Liberty Haze leaves have become smaller. So it does make sense the colas will be smaller. Well I still have a ways to go before I can harvest. May be on my next grow I will try growing a plant with one main cola and one that has been topped to see how they compare in regards to yield.
Thanks DP
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Far out Flower. Hope you had a great weekend with your friends
i agree, their is a lot to learn, when i first started this site i knew nothing, but i have tried pretty much everything and only pass on what i have learned myself, i have not grown hundreds of different strains so it does depend on strains,
i still have a lot to learn and the more i learn the more i can help others, one thing i tried and failed many times was grafting, its basically taking a cutting from one plant and making it grow on another plant, you take a cutting and make the end of the cutting like a V, then you remove a cutting from another female plant at the node, you have to sort of cut a V at the node so the new cutting fits in perfectly then tape it up and if you lucky the cutting attatches to the new plant and you end up with 2 strains growing off one stem.
if i could grow outdoors id love to try joining 3 or 4 strains together so you have 1 plant growing out the ground but have another 3 strains growing off the main stem, i failed many times to get the new cutting to graft onto the new plant but i finally managed to pull it off, it would be worth doing if a plant had a long veg time after grafting or if grown outdoors but i did not veg it long enough so did not get much of a yield of the cutting i grafted onto it, i was just giving it a try to see how it worked and if i could pull it off,
their is also another way to take clones, you can actually root a clone while its still growing on its mother plant, cant remember whats the exact name is but basically you pick the part you want to be a clone, then using sharp knife you cut around the stem so you cut through the first layer of the stem, you then do this 1cm down so you have 2 circles around the stem about 1cm apart, you then peel back the outer skin between these cuts and put rooting gel on it as you would if you cut the cutting off the plant, you then wrap it up in cheese cloth or even strong kitchen roll and wrap a plastic over around it so it dont dry out, after about a week to 10 days roots will start growing where you removed the skin around the stem, once the roots are big enough you can then cut that cutting off the plant and plant it like you would a normal cutting, but as its rooted on the plant you can put it strait in veg,
again it dont save much time or make cloning any easier but its best to be used with plants that are very difficult to clone, if you come across a strain thats difficult to clone then this method would guarantee (if done right) you have a viable clone,
i think its called air cloning or air grafting, let me check my grow book,
sorry if its off topic but though someone may be interested in these methods at some point, i never heard about them until i got hold of a european grow book,
i still have a lot to learn and the more i learn the more i can help others, one thing i tried and failed many times was grafting, its basically taking a cutting from one plant and making it grow on another plant, you take a cutting and make the end of the cutting like a V, then you remove a cutting from another female plant at the node, you have to sort of cut a V at the node so the new cutting fits in perfectly then tape it up and if you lucky the cutting attatches to the new plant and you end up with 2 strains growing off one stem.
if i could grow outdoors id love to try joining 3 or 4 strains together so you have 1 plant growing out the ground but have another 3 strains growing off the main stem, i failed many times to get the new cutting to graft onto the new plant but i finally managed to pull it off, it would be worth doing if a plant had a long veg time after grafting or if grown outdoors but i did not veg it long enough so did not get much of a yield of the cutting i grafted onto it, i was just giving it a try to see how it worked and if i could pull it off,
their is also another way to take clones, you can actually root a clone while its still growing on its mother plant, cant remember whats the exact name is but basically you pick the part you want to be a clone, then using sharp knife you cut around the stem so you cut through the first layer of the stem, you then do this 1cm down so you have 2 circles around the stem about 1cm apart, you then peel back the outer skin between these cuts and put rooting gel on it as you would if you cut the cutting off the plant, you then wrap it up in cheese cloth or even strong kitchen roll and wrap a plastic over around it so it dont dry out, after about a week to 10 days roots will start growing where you removed the skin around the stem, once the roots are big enough you can then cut that cutting off the plant and plant it like you would a normal cutting, but as its rooted on the plant you can put it strait in veg,
again it dont save much time or make cloning any easier but its best to be used with plants that are very difficult to clone, if you come across a strain thats difficult to clone then this method would guarantee (if done right) you have a viable clone,
i think its called air cloning or air grafting, let me check my grow book,
sorry if its off topic but though someone may be interested in these methods at some point, i never heard about them until i got hold of a european grow book,
Just keep doing what you are doing Harley You have some might good help from DP. 
Hey Harley! good weed to you my friend
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And good weed to you Fish
It's called air layering, it will take three weeks to a month for the cannabis to take root using this method. At 14 days I had bumps and decided it wasn't a viable method for me since I was planting clones out of the aerocloner in ten days consistently. Another method is called soil layering, a branch is scraped to the cambium just as in air layering, but the cut is buried in soil til it roots, then severed from the cultivar and becomes it's own plant....LOL....I have never found a plant that I couldn't clone in the aerocloner, but I'm still a baby!
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Here are some pictures taken today
Nice node spacing. going to have a bumper crop come harvest time Harley
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Thanks Fish I'm about to pee my pants waiting lol got 8 more weeks at least. I'm thinkin I need another light to cover an additional 9 sq. ft. The girls are getting crowded and I would like to spread em' out some I've got the room just the money part. Oh well weed will get you through times of no money better than money getting you through times of no weed. lol
well my furry freak brother maybe a few CFL's to help supplement your grow could be a cheaper way out.
I dig being low on the cabbage tho. there are so many things I would like to have for my grow but I just seem to find something else to donate my cabbage too LOL.
maybe a light mover instead of another light. it would save on electricity and help cover the empty light spaces
I dig being low on the cabbage tho. there are so many things I would like to have for my grow but I just seem to find something else to donate my cabbage too LOL.
maybe a light mover instead of another light. it would save on electricity and help cover the empty light spaces
Thanks Fish I'm about to pee my pants waiting lol got 8 more weeks at least. I'm thinkin I need another light to cover an additional 9 sq. ft. The girls are getting crowded and I would like to spread em' out some I've got the room just the money part. Oh well weed will get you through times of no money better than money getting you through times of no weed. lol
nice pics, plants look really healthy and node spacing is perfect,
have you ever tried some low stress training to open the plants up and get more light into all nodes and bud sites, what i do is use them bendy pipe cleaners and poke holes all the way around the top of my plant pot, i then attatch pipe cleaners to each branch and pull them down to open the whole plant up, this helps loads with light penetration,
fish cake is spot on with the cfls, their dirt cheap and i started growing using cfls and had some brilliant results, very comparable to hps, you just need more of them, cfls can be within an inch of the plant so i used to have several above the plants then i would hang other cfls down the sides of the plants, this ensures lower branches are getting full light at the same time as the canopy, plus cfls can be pretty much touching the plant, id get them as close as an inch to the plants, the best lumin to watt ratios was the 23 watt cfls,
so you have many options open to try, but its your grow and just do what you think is best, that way you know what you have tried and what works best,
one way i increase bud size is to remove all lower growth thats not getting any light, i use a 400watt dual spectrum hps and it does me ok for a few plants, but when i have a plant with many node and branches i cut off and either clone or throw away any branches and shoots that are not getting much light, these shoots are using up energy and nutrients that the plant could be using for the main buds,
sent you some reps for the nice healthy plants,
have you ever tried some low stress training to open the plants up and get more light into all nodes and bud sites, what i do is use them bendy pipe cleaners and poke holes all the way around the top of my plant pot, i then attatch pipe cleaners to each branch and pull them down to open the whole plant up, this helps loads with light penetration,
fish cake is spot on with the cfls, their dirt cheap and i started growing using cfls and had some brilliant results, very comparable to hps, you just need more of them, cfls can be within an inch of the plant so i used to have several above the plants then i would hang other cfls down the sides of the plants, this ensures lower branches are getting full light at the same time as the canopy, plus cfls can be pretty much touching the plant, id get them as close as an inch to the plants, the best lumin to watt ratios was the 23 watt cfls,
so you have many options open to try, but its your grow and just do what you think is best, that way you know what you have tried and what works best,
one way i increase bud size is to remove all lower growth thats not getting any light, i use a 400watt dual spectrum hps and it does me ok for a few plants, but when i have a plant with many node and branches i cut off and either clone or throw away any branches and shoots that are not getting much light, these shoots are using up energy and nutrients that the plant could be using for the main buds,
sent you some reps for the nice healthy plants,
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Thanks DP for the reps. I don't have any Bud sites yet and I am waiting to flower before I prune any more or should I do it now? 
if your hell bent for leather to prune. try and wait for day 21 of flower unless the leaf is just in the way and you cant move it that said a leaf here and there never caused me any guff
that said a leaf here and there never caused me any guff
Thanks DP for the reps. I don't have any Bud sites yet and I am waiting to flower before I prune any more or should I do it now?
no worries,
no i usually wait till their a couple of weeks into flower, 2 or weeks or their abouts, then i remove anything thats going to end up as tiny popcorn buds or any small branches that are stretching due to them not getting much light at the bottom of plant or in the middle of the plants, sounds like you got a good idea of what your doing so im sure you will do ok,
usually anything on the first node of each branch i remove, just do it all in one go so the plant is only getting stressed once, removing a few shoots every few days just prolongs the stress and stunts growth,
then i check again after another couple of weeks and any new growth at the lower nodes i just cut off to prevent anything growing,
i usually wait till i can see which buds are getting light and which are struggling, doing it before leaves you guessing but you can usually tell by where the light is reaching, i use pipe cleaners and open the plant up and this makes all the growth at the nodes grow upwards which makes the usual popcorn buds a bit bigger, i usually do that then cut off anything not getting light, makes good clones and keeps the plant focussing its growth on the main buds,
its why lollypopping produces huge buds, when i first started growing i felt bad cutting off all the lower growth but i grew a 2tr dec hempie and a grower called TeSmp kept telling me to cut off all the side growth and just have the main stem, i finally did it and left the main stem and the 2 lowest branches on the plant, all the rest was cut off, the plant really packed on weight and when it was finished the main bud was the exact same size as a 2ltr pop bottle, i have not lollypopped since but i just planted a fem seed so will be doing another 2ltr dwc hempie so will lollypop that as and when needed,
ill put it all in my journal, i got as much off that 1 bud than i did off some of my smaller plants i flowered, so getting the plant to focus the growth on the main buds really does help increase yield and bud size, its why i now remove all lower growth and anything below the canopy when i use lst,
but sounds like you got a good idea of what your doing and your plants look great so cant wait to seee how these end up when their well into flower, i will try air pots at some point as they seem to help with root development and stop the plants getting root bound as much, it will be a better method for revegging plants as the roots can continue to grow without getting to out of control,
no i usually wait till their a couple of weeks into flower, 2 or weeks or their abouts, then i remove anything thats going to end up as tiny popcorn buds or any small branches that are stretching due to them not getting much light at the bottom of plant or in the middle of the plants, sounds like you got a good idea of what your doing so im sure you will do ok,
usually anything on the first node of each branch i remove, just do it all in one go so the plant is only getting stressed once, removing a few shoots every few days just prolongs the stress and stunts growth,
then i check again after another couple of weeks and any new growth at the lower nodes i just cut off to prevent anything growing,
i usually wait till i can see which buds are getting light and which are struggling, doing it before leaves you guessing but you can usually tell by where the light is reaching, i use pipe cleaners and open the plant up and this makes all the growth at the nodes grow upwards which makes the usual popcorn buds a bit bigger, i usually do that then cut off anything not getting light, makes good clones and keeps the plant focussing its growth on the main buds,
its why lollypopping produces huge buds, when i first started growing i felt bad cutting off all the lower growth but i grew a 2tr dec hempie and a grower called TeSmp kept telling me to cut off all the side growth and just have the main stem, i finally did it and left the main stem and the 2 lowest branches on the plant, all the rest was cut off, the plant really packed on weight and when it was finished the main bud was the exact same size as a 2ltr pop bottle, i have not lollypopped since but i just planted a fem seed so will be doing another 2ltr dwc hempie so will lollypop that as and when needed,
ill put it all in my journal, i got as much off that 1 bud than i did off some of my smaller plants i flowered, so getting the plant to focus the growth on the main buds really does help increase yield and bud size, its why i now remove all lower growth and anything below the canopy when i use lst,
but sounds like you got a good idea of what your doing and your plants look great so cant wait to seee how these end up when their well into flower, i will try air pots at some point as they seem to help with root development and stop the plants getting root bound as much, it will be a better method for revegging plants as the roots can continue to grow without getting to out of control,
i dont think he is on about leaf i think he means the smaller pop corn branches that are lower down not getting much light,
im a bit undecided about removing leaf, i only remove what i cant pull out the way, but then i have followed bassmans method and removed every leaf with a 2.5inch stem, now i did not have 2 identical plants to run any tests but i removed all big leaves and ended up with nice big buds, but some growers like jorge cerantes say dont remove any leaf as their like factories and the plant needs them, but others say remove as many big leaves as you can, the argument is that the buds are made up of many leaves, so removing leaves forces the plant to grow new leaves and in theory making the buds fatter,
its a difficult call to make, some strains respond well and others dont, but removing leaves does stress the plant and stunt growth,
i did how ever do some testing on a single plant, i didnt use lst i let it grow as normal, during veg i removed the very top big fan leaves, this stopped that main stem from growing up, i then removed the next set of fan leaves down on the main stem, again it stunted growth on the main stem, but it forced the lower branches to grow like crazy and they then became the top of the plant,
so now i use lst to open the plant up as it is possible to get light to most parts of the plant, i only remove lower and inner branches that is struggling for light, growth such as little 1inch shoots at the inner nodes and lower nodes, plus any small branches that have stretched to try and get light with huge node spacing and very little growth so i remove these to force the plant to focus energy on the buds getting all the light,
pruning is a tough call and i guess it all depends on what the grower find works well, what i have done from time to time is remove leaves late in flower, like say i have 10 days of flower left then i have removed all fan leaves for the last week or 2 and it did look like the buds got bigger, but this dont mean the buds would not of got bigger if i left the leaves on,
bassmans journals are a good read and he pretty much strips his plants bare during veg which again is something i have tried and it does make the plant go into over drive, but it stunts growth for a week or more before you notice the new vigourous growth, you have to remember in the wild these plants lose leaf all the time, bugs, animals etc etc all eat the leaves so the plant needs to combat this with rapid new growth else the plant would just not survive.
so oppinion is devided on this pruning method with the leaves, so i do it on some plants if i think it needs doing and i dont do it on others if i can keep light coverage at the max then i tend not to do it until very late in flower if at all,
now again this is my own experience but i have an kc45 auto or kc brains as its often known, i had 10 regular seeds and have grown and flowered about 5 of these plants and got one in flower now, the others that flowered finished around 1ft tall and had skinny little buds, but the kc45 i got growing now had huge problems during growth, my new compost was to hot for these plants and all the leaves turned into claws and curled downwards, i cut all these off and the plant then grew like crazy, now the plant is 3ft tall, covered in bud, the main branch was the worse affected and had mose leaves removed, the lower branches then became the main colas, so now i have 4 main colas that are over 1ft long and thicker than my arm and its no where near the end of flower,
so could this of been an unstable strain or was this down to heavy pruning, the last plants i harvested of this strain finished at 1ft and pathetic buds, this is 3ft tall with huge 1ft buds and buds thicker than my arm,
sorry for going on but im on the wall when it comes to pruning leaves, i prune branches with every plant to make the other buds bigger but i would need to do some side by side testing with clones to find out if pruning works or not,
in fact its what im going to, that way i can document from start to finish, then we can see the results,
but i know bassman will say cut everything off thats over a certain size, his results are pretty amazing but again could be strain related
im a bit undecided about removing leaf, i only remove what i cant pull out the way, but then i have followed bassmans method and removed every leaf with a 2.5inch stem, now i did not have 2 identical plants to run any tests but i removed all big leaves and ended up with nice big buds, but some growers like jorge cerantes say dont remove any leaf as their like factories and the plant needs them, but others say remove as many big leaves as you can, the argument is that the buds are made up of many leaves, so removing leaves forces the plant to grow new leaves and in theory making the buds fatter,
its a difficult call to make, some strains respond well and others dont, but removing leaves does stress the plant and stunt growth,
i did how ever do some testing on a single plant, i didnt use lst i let it grow as normal, during veg i removed the very top big fan leaves, this stopped that main stem from growing up, i then removed the next set of fan leaves down on the main stem, again it stunted growth on the main stem, but it forced the lower branches to grow like crazy and they then became the top of the plant,
so now i use lst to open the plant up as it is possible to get light to most parts of the plant, i only remove lower and inner branches that is struggling for light, growth such as little 1inch shoots at the inner nodes and lower nodes, plus any small branches that have stretched to try and get light with huge node spacing and very little growth so i remove these to force the plant to focus energy on the buds getting all the light,
pruning is a tough call and i guess it all depends on what the grower find works well, what i have done from time to time is remove leaves late in flower, like say i have 10 days of flower left then i have removed all fan leaves for the last week or 2 and it did look like the buds got bigger, but this dont mean the buds would not of got bigger if i left the leaves on,
bassmans journals are a good read and he pretty much strips his plants bare during veg which again is something i have tried and it does make the plant go into over drive, but it stunts growth for a week or more before you notice the new vigourous growth, you have to remember in the wild these plants lose leaf all the time, bugs, animals etc etc all eat the leaves so the plant needs to combat this with rapid new growth else the plant would just not survive.
so oppinion is devided on this pruning method with the leaves, so i do it on some plants if i think it needs doing and i dont do it on others if i can keep light coverage at the max then i tend not to do it until very late in flower if at all,
now again this is my own experience but i have an kc45 auto or kc brains as its often known, i had 10 regular seeds and have grown and flowered about 5 of these plants and got one in flower now, the others that flowered finished around 1ft tall and had skinny little buds, but the kc45 i got growing now had huge problems during growth, my new compost was to hot for these plants and all the leaves turned into claws and curled downwards, i cut all these off and the plant then grew like crazy, now the plant is 3ft tall, covered in bud, the main branch was the worse affected and had mose leaves removed, the lower branches then became the main colas, so now i have 4 main colas that are over 1ft long and thicker than my arm and its no where near the end of flower,
so could this of been an unstable strain or was this down to heavy pruning, the last plants i harvested of this strain finished at 1ft and pathetic buds, this is 3ft tall with huge 1ft buds and buds thicker than my arm,
sorry for going on but im on the wall when it comes to pruning leaves, i prune branches with every plant to make the other buds bigger but i would need to do some side by side testing with clones to find out if pruning works or not,
in fact its what im going to, that way i can document from start to finish, then we can see the results,
but i know bassman will say cut everything off thats over a certain size, his results are pretty amazing but again could be strain related
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Girls look great man. I'm trying some Liberty haze too. Hoping to find a winning pheno out of the five that I have going. Subscribed.