Harley's Airpot Grow - White Widow - Liberty Haze & Lucy Under LED

I have seen good results with the 21 and 45 day thing. and I have seen the same with leaving them alone so dont just take what I say as the best thing to do:)

Hey Fish I'm trying to figure out how I think I want this grow to go. I love bushy plants, but I would like to have heavy yields. So I have to get over the aesthetics of how the plants look and get into how they are gonna produce. I love your input and your knowledge, and with your experience I sure I can't go wrong taking your advice with a twist or two from me. ha lol keep it coming brother :peace::thumb::circle-of-love::high-five:
 
I think its haha funny that we can put a day on a schedule that we WILL defoliate.....how can we have a set schedule with so many variables?.........easy thinkin to me. We can't set a harvest date, we can only guestimate anything!....maybe just my twisted ideas!...LOL

The more I think about it the more my head hurts lol. But really I think you are all right it should be about when the girls are ready and as we all know not all of them are ready at the same time. :peace::circle-of-love::high-five:
 
thats what I'm Talking about!
dont try to fix things till you know whats broke:)
 
after reviewing your journal again i believe your liberty haze is suffering from a magnesium deficiency with its leaves curled upwards. to treat for magnesium deficiency you could use Epsom salts at one teaspoon per gallon either as a foliar feed or added to your nutrients. as long as you can keep a good footprint you could probably lower your light again to the recommended height. that would maximize the light your plants are getting.
 
The more I think about it the more my head hurts lol. But really I think you are all right it should be about when the girls are ready and as we all know not all of them are ready at the same time. :peace::circle-of-love::high-five:

Me too Harley...all the time....LOL. I just stumble along and try to anticipate what my next move will be......one thing that has been helpful to me is a soil combined with a container that requires more frequent watering, it gives me more opportunity to make applications if I think it's necessary. I'm using smart pots....5 gal, Rh at around 50%, temps hit 90 in the boxes yesterday........they are takin 6 cups every other day with very little runoff.....they'll start getting 8 cups in a coupla weeks as I want the pots to start flushing a little toward the end. My schedule is like this; feed/water, molasses tea with dr. earth bloom food in a sock in my bubbler, then plain water/ molasses...and repeat. I add calmag and other stuff periodically....as I see fit. I have defoliated the whole bottom of my plants trying to keep the productive portion of the plant in the productive area of the light, I'm also constantly taking leaves out that block light to flowers. I am studying fishys methods and applying lots of em to this run. I want to do a scrog, but realizing my limitations I'm tryin ta do it....just without the screen!
 
I hear ya McLoadie My 5 gal. air pots are not drying out as fast as I would like. The Black Gold potting mix I have has peat in it and it is holding moisture very well. I am going 3 and 4 days between watering. I let the pots dry out then water until I get a little run off. I am using Fox Farms nutrients at half strength. The White Widow and Lucy are doing ok but the Liberty Haze is not liking too many nutes. I get a little tip burn each time I feed Her. As far a defol I am uncovering as many tops as I can, leaving some of the very bottom leaves for root production. I'm not doing any kind of additional training just letting them grow out on their own.
Since this is my first grow in quite a while I am taking things slow and picking and choosing which methods suit me best. I have found that I need to incorporate a better feed routine for my girls. What that will be I haven't done enough studying to make an informed decision yet. I am fairly pleased so far, I haven't killed any plants, and they are growing and adding tops every day, they my not be the plant of the month plants but not bad so far. I am really interested in Big Irish Doodes grow. He and Doc Buds' results seem to be the future of growing. Again the jury is still out, more research is needed. peace out Brother:peace::thumb::circle-of-love::high-five:
 
looking great Harley. Got to listen to what the girls tell ya. I have never had leaf curl, so I don't know. But you have some sweet looking girls.Does your fox farms nutes have any micro nutrients in it? if not cal-mag is what i used last year. this year I got one that included them. Hows the garden going?
 
yes i think my link will get you there. I'm an outdoor grow. 6 in a 8x8 greenhouse and 6 in pots outdoor. I'm forcing 5 of them by putting them in a dark room every evening. my garden is all tomato's and peppers.
Bozzo I gave Liberty Haze some Tiger Bloom last night and she lost her leaf curl (yea!!) and yes the Tiger Bloom does have some micro nutes. The garden is coming along nicely thanks for asking. Do you have a grow?? :peace:
 
I hear ya McLoadie My 5 gal. air pots are not drying out as fast as I would like. The Black Gold potting mix I have has peat in it and it is holding moisture very well. I am going 3 and 4 days between watering. I let the pots dry out then water until I get a little run off. I am using Fox Farms nutrients at half strength. The White Widow and Lucy are doing ok but the Liberty Haze is not liking too many nutes. I get a little tip burn each time I feed Her. As far a defol I am uncovering as many tops as I can, leaving some of the very bottom leaves for root production. I'm not doing any kind of additional training just letting them grow out on their own.
Since this is my first grow in quite a while I am taking things slow and picking and choosing which methods suit me best. I have found that I need to incorporate a better feed routine for my girls. What that will be I haven't done enough studying to make an informed decision yet. I am fairly pleased so far, I haven't killed any plants, and they are growing and adding tops every day, they my not be the plant of the month plants but not bad so far. I am really interested in Big Irish Doodes grow. He and Doc Buds' results seem to be the future of growing. Again the jury is still out, more research is needed. peace out Brother:peace::thumb::circle-of-love::high-five:

I'm usin the three part fox farm bloom deal, for the first time I closed my eyes and gave em full doses....from the flip.....AND, I think they are a little light on nitrogen and I'm supplementing when I need to. In my mind you have to support the flower production with some foliage building juice. Bro, the furniture is beautiful!!!!!!
 
subd my friend,

i had some problems with the compost i bought, i bought a different brand and it caused me major problems, seedlings kept dying and i thought it was me over or under watering so then i transplanted i older plant into a bigger pot and into the new compost and all the leaves started getting rusty spots on them then they turned into claws and curled down like cats claws, so i found out the compost i was using had way to much nitrogen in it and was possible to low ph, so swapped back to a cheaper brand i was all ready using and it solved all my problems, so my problem was the compost, seems it was not suitable for these plants,

i might pick up some air pots as they seem to give great results,

now for defoliation, i learned about this from bassman with my first journal, i tried it and it worked well, but i have found some strains do not respond well to this at all, mainly sativas or 80%sativa and 20%indica, these seem to get badly stunted when i used this method,

i found that its best to not touch the plants for the 10 to 14 days before flipping lights 12-12, then dont touch them till they have finished their stretch, then defol after they have finished stretching, its also best to remove the leaves in one go instead of a few each day, removing a few each day will really stunt growth,

when you remove the leaves the plant goes into repair mode and focusses on replacing what its lost, this slows growth for anything up to 10 days, but usually around 4 to 7days, after this the plants grow again with more growth than before due to the plant forcing more growth into the smaller leaves, plus your opening the plant up to let more light in,

so i usually defol a few weeks into veg, then about 2 to 3 weeks after flipping lights to 12-12, then the last time i defol is 2 weeks to 20 days before harvest, remove any leaves with 3inch stem or just under and this i find does force the plant to put more growth into the buds, again this is from my own experience and im no expert, but some plants respond well and some dont, so its best to see how they react after first defol,

another method i use and works well is using pipe cleaners, i pull the plant open using pipe cleaners so every node is getting light,i use this method on all my plants and it works well, it also keeps them bushy, im probably telling you stuff your all ready know but just having a quick flick through these journals to try and get caught up,

another tip to get bigger buds is to remove all the lower node growth, basically anything that will end up as popcorn buds, these are all using up nutes and the plant is wasting energy growing these lower nodes that are not getting much light, so its best to strip the leaves and short branches off the bottom of the branches, doing this makes the plant focus its growth onto the main buds and the buds that are getting light, so anything that is below the canopy and is barely getting any light just remove these and either bin them or use them as clones, you want the plant naked below the waste or canopy, anything on the inside of the plant at the bottom not getting light is just wasting energy, remove these branches and focus all the plants energy on the main bud sites, this is why sog grows do well as all side growth is removed and they just have the main stem and 2 small side branches, ill try and find a pic of my 2ltr dwc hempie, the main bud was the size of a 2ltr pop bottle, it was tough cutting all the branches off but the results i got show it was worth it,
 
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let me try and find the picture of it growing, this is the plant i removed all lower branches on, the main bud was not very big but once i removed all lower growth and side branches the plant focussed all its growth on the main bud, so now i remove all lower buds not getting light and it really does help produce bigger buds
 
Thanks so much for the reply DP your explanation of how you do your defol is very informative and the results look even better. I did defol 3 days ago and the plants are growing pretty good now. I am not planning on doing any more defol until after I start 12-12.
On a different note I have topped my plants once and don't plan on topping any more so I will not have one main cola but several but I assume the process will be the same when I decide to defol again.:peace::thanks::thankyou::thankyou::circle-of-love::high-five:
 
Good weed to you Harley!:)
DP is a great person to help your grow!
 
potato potato potato Harley! good weed buddy:circle-of-love:
 
the pics above was from the plant that i kept a couple of the side branches on, but i did grow a 2ltr hempie with just the main bud and it was a huge bud thicker than my arm,

so if i was growing many 2ltr hempies id just have the main cola, keeping all the side growth short means it grows upwards and forms one main cola,

with topping it best to remember that the more you top the smaller the main colas will be, you can have one huge cola without topping or by topping you end up with 2 main colas, this dont always mean more bud it usually means you will have 2 smaller main colas that would produce a similar amount of bud as the single main cola would,

i think topping once is ok and as long as both colas get good light you will end up with slightly more bud but from my experience id have to say its not much more than having 1 main cola, another thing to remember is a plant can only be topped so many times as it maxes out at a certain number, topping many times is more suited to a scrog type grow as you have more branches to spread out along the scrog allowing more shoots to grow up through the scrog, a scrog is something i will try in the near future so will let you know what i do and what i find out,

i do how ever top my plants if im trying to keep the height down or if im keeping them in veg a bit longer, i had a clone growing that had 2 stems growing from grown level, the side branches was not growing so quick but the plant was getting taller, so i topped both main stems to slow upwards growth, this forced the lower branches to finally start growing, this will give me 4 main tops but i use low stress training so these will be tied down and ill end up with just 1 or 2 main colas as i prefer to have bush plants so i can keep my light as close as possible,
 
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