Mr. White where you been brother?
Harley's Airpot Grow - White Widow - Liberty Haze & Lucy Under LED
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Welcome Mr White of the 3 strains I have going Liberty Haze is the most sensitive to nutrients I seem to get more nute burn and white washing from my LEDs' than the white widows or Lucy I have. Good luck on finding a winning pheno. Peace out
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OK to clarify when I say prune that means removing plant material that is creating issues with bud development. At this stage I will not be doing any kind of pruning until the plants show signs of bud development. At that time I will use my best judgment to remove stems and leaves not contributing to the maximization of bud development. hoping that I use the old adage less is more.
I am enjoying this grow and the support of all the great people here. THANKS TO ALL of YOU GUYS and GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am enjoying this grow and the support of all the great people here. THANKS TO ALL of YOU GUYS and GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
your judgement is the best for you brother
all any of us can do is suggest and hope for the best we can do.
then share whats been observed
all any of us can do is suggest and hope for the best we can do.then share whats been observed
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Thanks Fishie I still have a ways to go till I have to do any clippin so you know things can change a hundred times before then. 
i agree with fish cake, all we can all do is look at each others grows and techniques and see what we can try ourselves, after all if you dont try something then you wont know if it works or not,
i will say that heavy pruning and branch removal on sog or 2ltr hempie grows really pays off, as for bigger plants its a tough call, some say pruning is the best method, others like jorge cervantes say dont even remove 1 leaf unless its dying.
all i do is remove small branches that will never produce much and on the branches getting light i remove anything thats growing at the lowest nodes with no stem growth of its own,
i have how ever just heavily pruned 2 plants, this is not something i do often but i got 2 plants growing that are the same and another 2 that are the same strain grown from clones, all are in middle to late flower, so on the 2 smaller plants in flower i totally stripped all leaves, i went over the top on purpose just to see how it stunts growth and how the new growth progresses, this will give me some idea of if its worth doing or not, i have gone totally over the top so i can actually see the results as the develop, basically the only leaves i have left on the 2 plants is the bud leaves or sweet leaf as we call them, anything that had a stem i cut off, i know its drastic but pruning just some leaves is a bit hit and miss,
so i either made huge mistake and will have to wait longer for the plant to finish flower or i made the right choice and it will increase bud size, but as i got 2 other plants to compare them to then this will give me the answer im looking for, ill take some pics and show you what it looks like now, ill put them on my journal when lights come on in about 12 hours, then we can all see what happens and see if it does actually increase yield,
ive seen bassmans plants and he strips his right back and gets amazing results, but would he of got the same or better results if he did not prune his plants, without him giving this a try we would not know its its the pruning increasing yield or just the nutrients and other factors so i had to try this for myself, last time i did it i got great results but had nothing to compare it to, so i might of get bigger yields without prouning, but this time round i can document from start to finish and compare overall bud size with a plant of the same strain.
ill document it all in my journal, im not one for pruning and prefer to use lst, i do prune 2ltr hempies and remove branches on all plants that are struggling for light, so ive taken all the leaves off these 2 plants, the light is reaching every bud growth now, i got no leaves on the branches, the only leaves left on the plant are the bud leaves that i cant get to the stems on,
so lets see how these plants react to me been brutal and lets see how the buds turn out, then ill know if its worth doing or not,
i will say that heavy pruning and branch removal on sog or 2ltr hempie grows really pays off, as for bigger plants its a tough call, some say pruning is the best method, others like jorge cervantes say dont even remove 1 leaf unless its dying.
all i do is remove small branches that will never produce much and on the branches getting light i remove anything thats growing at the lowest nodes with no stem growth of its own,
i have how ever just heavily pruned 2 plants, this is not something i do often but i got 2 plants growing that are the same and another 2 that are the same strain grown from clones, all are in middle to late flower, so on the 2 smaller plants in flower i totally stripped all leaves, i went over the top on purpose just to see how it stunts growth and how the new growth progresses, this will give me some idea of if its worth doing or not, i have gone totally over the top so i can actually see the results as the develop, basically the only leaves i have left on the 2 plants is the bud leaves or sweet leaf as we call them, anything that had a stem i cut off, i know its drastic but pruning just some leaves is a bit hit and miss,
so i either made huge mistake and will have to wait longer for the plant to finish flower or i made the right choice and it will increase bud size, but as i got 2 other plants to compare them to then this will give me the answer im looking for, ill take some pics and show you what it looks like now, ill put them on my journal when lights come on in about 12 hours, then we can all see what happens and see if it does actually increase yield,
ive seen bassmans plants and he strips his right back and gets amazing results, but would he of got the same or better results if he did not prune his plants, without him giving this a try we would not know its its the pruning increasing yield or just the nutrients and other factors so i had to try this for myself, last time i did it i got great results but had nothing to compare it to, so i might of get bigger yields without prouning, but this time round i can document from start to finish and compare overall bud size with a plant of the same strain.
ill document it all in my journal, im not one for pruning and prefer to use lst, i do prune 2ltr hempies and remove branches on all plants that are struggling for light, so ive taken all the leaves off these 2 plants, the light is reaching every bud growth now, i got no leaves on the branches, the only leaves left on the plant are the bud leaves that i cant get to the stems on,
so lets see how these plants react to me been brutal and lets see how the buds turn out, then ill know if its worth doing or not,
Happy Friedday Harley
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Harley001
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DP I certainly appreciate your doing this test I am so looking forward to the results. Having a definitive answer to the pruning method will be very helpful for all who are growing. Other than personal preference your test will go a long way to answering some questions I've been pondering.
Just looking at what I have done with doing some defol in veg it seems the lower nodes have grown better. I know seems isn't very scientific but it's all I had to go on. Since I haven't had a grow that's been through flower yet It will really be great to have someone like you that is knowledgeable and done the comparison. Keep it coming Brother
Just looking at what I have done with doing some defol in veg it seems the lower nodes have grown better. I know seems isn't very scientific but it's all I had to go on. Since I haven't had a grow that's been through flower yet It will really be great to have someone like you that is knowledgeable and done the comparison. Keep it coming Brother
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Hi Fishie what's happin good weed to you. Question you use the DLS for speeding up the flowering process do you decrease the lights on before the flip to 12-12 I have been at 18-6 for 5 weeks and I have cut back to 14 for one week and now I'm down to 13 1/2 and will be going to 13 next week then to 12 1/2 after that, and finally 12 is that right or do I have it screwed up ??
well I dont think the decrease in veg is necessary. think you want as much light as you can with veg time. go figure cause I also use GLR LOL
sure cant hurt anything. DLS is for flower going from 12/12 to 9/15. 12/12 for two weeks and then cutting the lights by a half hour every week till you get to 9/15 or harvest which ever comes first
sure cant hurt anything. DLS is for flower going from 12/12 to 9/15. 12/12 for two weeks and then cutting the lights by a half hour every week till you get to 9/15 or harvest which ever comes first
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Right on been there Brother thanks for stopping by take a look around see if there's anything you like
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WOW thanks so much
Hope there is never a bad one for you or anyone else snowbird
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Plants are looking great, keep doing what you`ve been doing. Good pictures too.
Peace & great Growin`
YR
Peace & great Growin`
YR
cool,
well this is a quick break down on what i have done,
i got 2 plants in about the middle of flower, i got the exact same plants in late flower and will possibly be harvesting one tomorrow, so ill have somthing to compare the buds to this time round due to them been the exact same strain and the buds growing and looking exactly like each other,
also today i have got another plant growing of the same strain but this is in veg and about 2 weeks old, its 4 nodes high and all growth at the nodes either side of main stem is only 1 or 2cm per branch so leaves are tiny on the new branches, anyways ill follow bassmans guide to the letter on this plant, he says its best to prepare the plants for pruning by starting in veg, so today i removed all the fan leaves, these fan leaves where bigger than my hand so all have been chopped off, all thats left on the plant is the top leaves that are growing and will turn into fan leaves and a new node, then its just the small side shoots with tiny leaves at either side of the main stem,
so ill let the plant recover and grow out a bit before 1 more pruning or possibly 2 more depending on how long i veg it for, its best to prune in 1 go as taking a few leaves each day just prolongs the stress and badly stunts growth, so on the flowering plants if i took just 2 leaves one day then took another couple 2 or 3 days later then the plant dont have time to recover and it badly affects growth, trust me its tried and tested by myself, i kept removing leaves as and when needed due to them blocking light getting to nodes, so its a bad idea to remove a few leaves at a time, its best to take a lot so the plant recovers and grows, when removing a lot of leaves it takes around 10 days to fully recover and so that the new growth is noticable, but its crazy how much they do grow once they recover,
in the wild these plants lose leaves all the time, animals eat them, insects eat them, weather damage destroy leaves also, but when we grow indoors we do not remove any leaves when in theory the plant may not need all these leaves as its not at risk of losing leaves due to animal damage, we give the plants everything they need indoors so they have a lot less to deal with, so do they really need all the leaves or does it benefit them to have a lot less leaves so they can focus the growth else where,
if bassmans journals are anything to go by then it looks like his method works, but would his plants preduce buds that big if he didnt prune or would he have even bigger buds, without running tests its a tough call to make, so hopefully we can learn something from my small test.
im pretty much on the fence regarding it, i have got amazing results by pruning and to be honest they was the biggest buds i have grown so far, but again could be strain related and i might of got buds of the same size of bigger if i did not prune, but buds are leaf and flower so making the plant grow more leaves within the buds might make the buds bigger, im sure interested to find out,
well this is a quick break down on what i have done,
i got 2 plants in about the middle of flower, i got the exact same plants in late flower and will possibly be harvesting one tomorrow, so ill have somthing to compare the buds to this time round due to them been the exact same strain and the buds growing and looking exactly like each other,
also today i have got another plant growing of the same strain but this is in veg and about 2 weeks old, its 4 nodes high and all growth at the nodes either side of main stem is only 1 or 2cm per branch so leaves are tiny on the new branches, anyways ill follow bassmans guide to the letter on this plant, he says its best to prepare the plants for pruning by starting in veg, so today i removed all the fan leaves, these fan leaves where bigger than my hand so all have been chopped off, all thats left on the plant is the top leaves that are growing and will turn into fan leaves and a new node, then its just the small side shoots with tiny leaves at either side of the main stem,
so ill let the plant recover and grow out a bit before 1 more pruning or possibly 2 more depending on how long i veg it for, its best to prune in 1 go as taking a few leaves each day just prolongs the stress and badly stunts growth, so on the flowering plants if i took just 2 leaves one day then took another couple 2 or 3 days later then the plant dont have time to recover and it badly affects growth, trust me its tried and tested by myself, i kept removing leaves as and when needed due to them blocking light getting to nodes, so its a bad idea to remove a few leaves at a time, its best to take a lot so the plant recovers and grows, when removing a lot of leaves it takes around 10 days to fully recover and so that the new growth is noticable, but its crazy how much they do grow once they recover,
in the wild these plants lose leaves all the time, animals eat them, insects eat them, weather damage destroy leaves also, but when we grow indoors we do not remove any leaves when in theory the plant may not need all these leaves as its not at risk of losing leaves due to animal damage, we give the plants everything they need indoors so they have a lot less to deal with, so do they really need all the leaves or does it benefit them to have a lot less leaves so they can focus the growth else where,
if bassmans journals are anything to go by then it looks like his method works, but would his plants preduce buds that big if he didnt prune or would he have even bigger buds, without running tests its a tough call to make, so hopefully we can learn something from my small test.
im pretty much on the fence regarding it, i have got amazing results by pruning and to be honest they was the biggest buds i have grown so far, but again could be strain related and i might of got buds of the same size of bigger if i did not prune, but buds are leaf and flower so making the plant grow more leaves within the buds might make the buds bigger, im sure interested to find out,