Haight Solid State vs. H.G.LED

Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

The pots were light, so I flushed and fed them last night.

I had to rig up an indoor "flush table" because of the storms. Used a large tub as the catch-all, and then put a plastic dishpan inside of that covered by an upside-down milk crate that I set the pots on to drain.

Worked really well and made very little mess. I had to make several trips to empty the dishpan, but a little exercise is always good, specially after the holidays ;).

I flushed each pot with 2 gallons of room-temperature RO water and Clearex 15ml/gallon.

After the pots were done dripping, I held them up and tilted them to drain as much of the flush out as I could and make some room for the nutes.

I fed them with the week 5 FF schedule, except for halving the Tiger Bloom. Here's what they got, all per gallon.

2 Tablespoons Big Bloom
1 teaspoon Tiger Bloom
1 teaspoon Cal-Mag+
1/4 teaspoon Superthrive

I think the next watering will be nutes again instead of just water because the fairly thorough flush probably left the medium nute-deficient.

I'm hoping to be able to take some pics late tonight. Can't wait to see how they responded to the feeding.

I don't have PH numbers on this feeding because I think my calibration solution got contaminated and I don't trust it. I had to give them this feeding without PH'ing the solution, but the pots were heavy with RO water when I fed them, so that should have buffered it pretty well.

I ordered some more and I'll check runoff on the next cycle.

Hope everyone's having a great Friday!
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Setting Sun said:
I had to rig up an indoor "flush table" because of the storms. Used a large tub as the catch-all, and then put a plastic dishpan inside of that covered by an upside-down milk crate that I set the pots on to drain.!
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I flush pots over a toilet.

Setting Sun said:
I flushed each pot with 2 gallons of room-temperature RO water and Clearex 15ml/gallon.
After the pots were done dripping, I held them up and tilted them to drain as much of the flush out as I could and make some room for the nutes.
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I let them rest for a day and then fertilize. I'm growing in coco.
What I do, not telling you what to do. a comparison is all. :peace:
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

do you use super thrive just when you veg or when you flower also?
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

CocoJoe said:
I flush pots over a toilet.
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Now that is a great idea!

That would have been a lot easier and that's what I'll do next time.

Sometimes, I am very much lacking in common sense.

thanks Joe!


I let them rest for a day and then fertilize. I'm growing in coco.
What I do, not telling you what to do. a comparison is all. :peace:
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Actually, I think that's a good idea too.

I just couldn't wait to start pushing them.
 
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harryo said:
I will be very interested to see yields potency and how fast or slow they grow under the led lights I want them to grow big fat kolas if that happens ill go led all the way
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I hope they do a good job too. They are a pleasure in the grow room for several reasons, but if they don't flower well, you just bought yourself a very expensive veg light.

I have a $70 110w T5 with 9600 lumens that's a pleasure to grow with also, and it vegges just fine.

This is where the rubber meets the road ;).
 
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1234a5678b said:
WalMart has a power supply in their camping department. Don't know the specs. (Cost around $80.00)

You could probably use a back-up power source for a computer if it was just for a few hours. Otherwise, consider deep cycle batteries and an inverter.

This is one of the reasons that I looked at LEDs to begin with.

:goodjob:
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A typical deep cycle battery and inverter will give you around 3 hours at 200w draw.

Power Inverters, 12V DC-AC, Inverters from several manufacturers

With both lights, all the fans, etc., I'm probably at around 600w.

When I lived in L.A. we had brownouts, but here we have blackouts that often last a half a day or longer before it comes back up, so DC power isn't feasible for this burg ;).

I tried to find info on whether LED lights are compatible with gas generators, but haven't found anything yet. I have not come across any reports of them getting fried, and lack of evidence on the Net can be useful, but these are too expensive to take a chance.

we should be able to dig something up
 
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Slowpuffer said:
Plants are healthy, SS, If I was you, i'd put them right onto the full strength schedule. I press that schedule to the limits. I use full strength and i use every watering. I use 50 per cent perlite, just so i can fertilize twice a week, when they start sucking it up. The only additive i've tryed is the chi chang and I did'nt see that much difference in production. I've had good luck with the grow big, tiger bloom and big bloom. I don't think you could overdose a plant with big bloom, even if you put a pint in a gal of water, but i think it would be a waste. I've been seeing other members get similar results with cheaper ferts.. I for one think FF ferts are good, Never had a problem, so I can't complain. I think over priced, but since it's the only product i've ever used, i keep buying it. I can't help thinking i'm getting the shaft though, as big bloom looks sorta like liquid cow shit. Can't wait to see them buds !! :popcorn::surf:RoorRip
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I think FF nutes are excellent, or I wouldn't be using them. I've had very nice results with their stuff.

I'm being conservative and only using the Tiger Bloom at 1/2 strength for now because I've never grown VK before, and I don't know what the strain's needs are. Tiger Bloom is not organic and I've read reports of it burning sensitive strains at the recommended dose.

I read one VK journal where the grower reported that the strain is tolerant to nutes in veg, but becomes a little touchier in bloom. The guy seemed like an experienced grower, so that, together with my lack of familiarity, makes me a little skittish about the full schedule. I can always give them more.

Yeah, the Big Bloom looks exactly like what it is ;).

thanks Slowpuffer, I appreciate your comments and support!
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Setting Sun said:
A typical deep cycle battery and inverter will give you around 3 hours at 200w draw.

Power Inverters, 12V DC-AC, Inverters from several manufacturers

With both lights, all the fans, etc., I'm probably at around 600w.

When I lived in L.A. we had brownouts, but here we have blackouts that often last a half a day or longer before it comes back up, so DC power isn't feasible for this burg ;).

I tried to find info on whether LED lights are compatible with gas generators, but haven't found anything yet. I have not come across any reports of them getting fried, and lack of evidence on the Net can be useful, but these are too expensive to take a chance.

we should be able to dig something up
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It would probably take a setup like they use in motor homes with several batteries in parallel.

As far as a generator goes, the power supply on the HSS appears to be solid state. If the HGL is also, a generator should work. I run TV, computer, phone along with a room air conditioner on a 1200w generator during outages with no problems.

If it is stable enough for the first 3 and doesn't spike when the AC cycles on and off, it should work.
 
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kevin.n said:
SS
Sorry for my ignorance, but why did you flush?
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To flush out the salts that have accumulated in the soil through veg, and to sort of get a "clean slate" for the bloom nutes.

The veg nutes are high in nitrogen, so flushing the excess nitrogen out helps make the P in the bloom nutes more effective. Otherwise, I'd be giving them a mix of old veg nutes and new bloom nutes, and I ain't got time for that shenanigans ;).

The beneficial bacteria and fungi get flushed also, unfortunately, but they build back up.

It's more work, but I think it makes a difference.

thanks kevin, glad you're following ;)


Kathypil said:
do you use super thrive just when you veg or when you flower also?
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I've been using it every other cycle all the way through, but this morning I just read a comment in someone's journal that it can slow down flowering, so I'm gonna check that out before the next watering.

Have you heard anything in regards to that?

thanks Kathy ;)
 
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I think it was a certain vitamin in the superthrive that was making growth slow. I have read this somewhere, but not sure where at this point. I have heard this though myself.

I don't know about it, but my take on superthrive is it's not even worth messing with. Maybe for seedlings, clones, new stages of growth type stuff. But not for a long time is my understanding.

-Go-
 
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I've read that Superthrive is great for roots and leaves, but that it slows down flower development.

However, it will make a sick plant better.....sooooo, use it if you need it!

I used it every watering during veg and upon transplanting I used 10 drops per gallon. No complaints, the plants liked it.

I've stopped using it now that I'm in bloom phase.
 
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i used superthrive for a while... 1 drop/gal... i think thats what it says on the bottle, but ive never noticed a difference... the directions seemed a little unclear to me as to the amount to use. never had the balls to try anything close to 10drop/gal. maybe thats why i never seen any difference. so for now i decided to go without
 
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rc51sport said:
i used superthrive for a while... 1 drop/gal... i think thats what it says on the bottle, but ive never noticed a difference... the directions seemed a little unclear to me as to the amount to use. never had the balls to try anything close to 10drop/gal. maybe thats why i never seen any difference. so for now i decided to go without
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The stuff really works. It helps establish a healthy root system and leaves, stems, etc. In other words, you get a healthy bloom and large buds, because the infrastructure is built.

Buds don't come from high P, low N, or nutes.....they come from healthy leaves and roots. But if you feed hormones that stimulate leaf and root growth, they will slow down and prolong flower production.
 
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go green said:
I think it was a certain vitamin in the superthrive that was making growth slow. I have read this somewhere, but not sure where at this point. I have heard this though myself.
I don't know about it, but my take on superthrive is it's not even worth messing with. Maybe for seedlings, clones, new stages of growth type stuff. But not for a long time is my understanding.

-Go-
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rc51sport said:
i used superthrive for a while... 1 drop/gal... i think thats what it says on the bottle, but ive never noticed a difference... the directions seemed a little unclear to me as to the amount to use. never had the balls to try anything close to 10drop/gal. maybe thats why i never seen any difference. so for now i decided to go without
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DocBud said:
The stuff really works. It helps establish a healthy root system and leaves, stems, etc. In other words, you get a healthy bloom and large buds, because the infrastructure is built.

Buds don't come from high P, low N, or nutes.....they come from healthy leaves and roots. But if you feed hormones that stimulate leaf and root growth, they will slow down and prolong flower production.
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Here's something I found surfing around:

"Nothing really magic about ST- except that label! Buried somewhere on that label it says that it contains naphthaleneacetic acid (NAA)the other most common rooting hormone besides IBA. I use it and and feel that it aids the root growth tremendously. Funny thing is that NAA and IBA are the active ingredients in Dip'n Grow and nobody seems to endlessly debate their effects. These chemicals have been around for eons and are used everyday by plant people. Chances are if you have ever bought a plant grown from a cutting it has been treated with one or both of them."


It does make sense to not use it routinely after veg since the rooting hormone could divert energy to the root zone.


thanks bros ;)
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Setting Sun said:
Now that is a great idea!

Actually, I think that's a good idea too.

I just couldn't wait to start pushing them.
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I can't take credit for the toilet idea. I think I read it somewhere else long ago. The days rest idea is mine, and they don't stop growing, they usually do a spurt. I'm in coco tho. Peace brother! :popcorn:
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Superthrive is unnecessary but it is decent stuff - so how come theres hydroton on the HSS and not the HGL? I still think the HSS plants look better - and have looked better for some time now. I'm also curious why a 180w(600) is being compared to a 126w(400) because it seems that the 180w should be better. They cost about the same but the products aren't seemingly comparable. It is 126 1w high power vs 31 6w high power. Well I've heard 3w and 6w LEDs offer decreased output and spread over 3 1w or 6 1w LEDs but I'm kind of impressed by the 126w to this point in keeping up with the 180w, despite the marketing.
 
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onthe420train said:
so how come theres hydroton on the HSS and not the HGL? .
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Look again...

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