Growing Without Bloom Nutes By Farside05

[farside05]

So...a bit of a problem. I have one of the new Original Glue autos up and transplanted into 5 gal of the Pro-Mix Moisture Control. I went digging in the Jiffy Plugs to see what happened to the other 3 auto beans (2 Zkittlez and 1 more Glue). Looks like they had just started to sprout. Took them long enough. I was going to give away all the autos in that tent but I can't afford to loose so much time. I'll keep the 1st Glue and give away the other 3 along with a Sensi Skunk photo. Since I'm out of room in tents, the Skunk moved outdoors awaiting it's new owner. He'll grow it in his outdoor greenhouse. Other than what to do with all these plants, everyone seemed to like that last full strength dose of MSU fertilizer.

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• farside05
• Aug 3, 2021

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• farside05
• Aug 3, 2021

As a side note, I keep getting a lot of advertising for Gold Leaf nutrients in my Facebook feed. There are so many falsehoods and other misinformation in their ads and on their website. Obviously they have no real plant science/fertilizer knowledge and are just out to make a buck.

 

[InTheShed]

I can't recall seeing such height range in the auto tent before, but everything looks happy with what you're feeding it!

And that Gold Leaf is without almost any of the micronutrients, and doesn't even bother to list the numbers for Ca or Mg. "Just trust us!"

 

[farside05]

I can't recall seeing such height range in the auto tent before, but everything looks happy with what you're feeding it!

And that Gold Leaf is without almost any of the micronutrients, and doesn't even bother to list the numbers for Ca or Mg. "Just trust us!"

The auto tent is a real hodge podge for sure. The front left just wanted to grow as a stick and went into bloom early. The back left put out very little foliage and it was gnarly. Both of those I figured I'd just let run the course without messing with them. The back right is the only one I'd call "normal". Not a fan of the WSE autos. There seems to be very little consistency. Now I have a seedling to replace the photo. My harvest times will be all over the map with them. Maybe that's a good thing so I won't have these "boom and bust" harvests where I have a lot of weed for a while, then scraping the bottom of the barrel other times.

The Gold Leaf makes me laugh. They claim it's not made of "salts" yet it's not organic and is a chemical based fertilizer. They completely misuse the term "salts" and think that it means sodium. They also recommend pH'ing your plain water that you give between fertilizations when in soil or other buffered mediums, but also claim you don't have to pH when using their nutes in any medium. They also make out that they're the first to have a 1 part bottled product. News flash, Dyna-Gro has been doing it for years.

 

[farside05]

Will probably flip the photo girls today or tomorrow. Worried the 2 Zkittlez on the left will get too large if I hold off another week. I wish the Zkittlez and Gelato on the right would be a touch bigger before flipping but I bet they'll still stretch in the interim week before they truly start towards flowering.

The auto tent really looks like a cluster. The front left "stick" has 2 other decent lateral branches. If the main and those 2 fill in with bud, she may surprise me. Not used to growing Christmas trees. The back right has a bit of tip burn. She must have a more sensitive stomach and didn't like that last full strength feeding. The gnarly back left, meh! The seedling Glue front right appears happy so far. Hope she goes well since she'll probably inherit a lot of space as the others harvest before her.

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• farside05
• Aug 6, 2021

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• farside05
• Aug 6, 2021

 

[farside05]

The Sensi Skunk Photo (bigger plant) and Zkittlez Auto (seedling) that are living outside. Another Zkittlez popped up from the Jiffy Pellet this AM so I have to put it in its final home. My buddy will be coming tonight to pick them all up.

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• farside05
• Aug 7, 2021

 

[InTheShed]

Looks like @MrSauga's deck to me, but with smaller plants!

 

[farside05]

I did end up flipping the photos on Saturday. They are looking pretty so far.

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• farside05
• Aug 9, 2021

The stickish NLxBB front left just won't stop stretching. I took the riser from under her and put it under the back right, creating a double layer, to try to level things out more. Within a day the front left was right back where it started from.

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• farside05
• Aug 9, 2021

 

[InTheShed]

You're going to have to add a stack of bibles under the others so they don't end up too far from the light!

 

[Rexer]

Hey @farside05

Hope you don't mind me tagging along. Love the information you've put in here. Needless to say, I've yet to get caught up, but wanted to drop a hello and thank you for all the great info.

Anyhow- gonna go jump the 40 or 50 pages back to where i was at .

 

[farside05]

Hey @farside05

Hope you don't mind me tagging along. Love the information you've put in here. Needless to say, I've yet to get caught up, but wanted to drop a hello and thank you for all the great info.

Anyhow- gonna go jump the 40 or 50 pages back to where i was at .

Do I mind? Hell no I don't mind. Welcome! You don't have to read it all. I can give you a synopsis...Searching for the optimal N-P-K, crunching of numbers, general bullshit, and some worshipping of Tent Chickens. That about sums it up. I was beginning to wonder if anyone was following this thread anymore other than a few die hards. Viewership has definitely dropped off.

 

[Rexer]

Do I mind? Hell no I don't mind. Welcome! You don't have to read it all.

But....but I kinda want to though. Seriously, you've got some great knowledge tucked in here.

I can give you a synopsis...Searching for the optimal N-P-K, crunching of numbers, general bullshit, and some worshipping of Tent Chickens.

good, cause I get lost on the numbers. Can feel the breeze of the plane flying over my head

That about sums it up. I was beginning to wonder if anyone was following this thread anymore other than a few die hards. Viewership has definitely dropped off.

Oh I've been popping in & out of your thread. But never said hi as I wanted to read a bit more first

 

[farside05]

The plants on the left hand side of both tents got fed this AM. So far everyone is looking pretty happy with the MSU based fertilizer program. I'm sure the "High P" crowd would say "Wait 'till Bloom until making any judgements with your super low P feed". We're working our way there. The back left auto has started to bloom, joining the front left auto. The photos were flipped 5 days ago. Still not seeing where they've declared their sex yet.

Photos

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• farside05
• Aug 12, 2021

Autos

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• farside05
• Aug 12, 2021

 

[InTheShed]

I didn't remember these were regular beans!

 

[farside05]

I didn't remember these were regular beans!

They are fems. I don't have the time or space to go mucking about with regs and throwing half of them away. Guess I could have said that I haven't seen pistils yet, so flowering on the photos is a ways off.

 

[InTheShed]

Ah, so you just meant you haven't seen any pistils yet...phewf!

 

[farside05]

Photo update. Everyone got fed today. The 7 nature plants got 5/8tsp MSU, 5ml Faux-Tekt, 1/8tsp Potassium Sulfate. The younger Original Glue got 1/2tsp MSU, 3ml Faux-Tekt, 1/16tsp Potassium Sulfate. I probably need to clean up some leaves and level out the canopy some.

I've been fighting a war with all my vehicles. All 4 decided to break down in the same week. My van broke down 2x in a 2 week period. I normally do my own auto repair but I had to hire some of it out because I was just too far behind. Tomorrow I move my daughter into the dorms at college.

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• farside05
• Aug 17, 2021

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• farside05
• Aug 17, 2021

 

[InTheShed]

They sure look happy with the MSU regimen, though I have a few family members who went to Michigan so it does pain me to say that.

Tomorrow I move my daughter into the dorms at college.

We're driving up tomorrow and moving my son in on Friday. to both of us!

 

[farside05]

They sure look happy with the MSU regimen, though I have a few family members who went to Michigan so it does pain me to say that.

We're driving up tomorrow and moving my son in on Friday. to both of us!

U of M Wolverine fan myself. Before I moved south at age 40, I used to live 45 minutes from Ann Arbor. A friend of a friend had a license and grows and sells to the Ann Arbor area dispensaries. Nice little $40-60K side gig.

The photo tent looks flawless. Kinda what we used to call MC Green. Not a spot to be found. The auto tent, meh! I was a bit late upping the front left, and a bit premature with the back right. Both of those show some spots here and there from under/overfeeding. Hope to nail the front right Original Glue to make her like the photos, an example of perfect greenery.


Got the daughter settled in. Took 14 hours total, and that after working my 8 hour shift on 3rds. Needless to say, I'm spent. 6 hours of driving and 8 hours of moving her stuff in, helping her get things set up, and running her around to various administration buildings. Guess you have to throw in a shopping spree at Walmart too for some overlooked items. Hope yours goes a little quicker than that. Thank God I took tonight off or I'd be headed into work now. Awake 26 hours is bad enough, I didn't need to make it 34+.

 

[InTheShed]

I doubt mine going to be that easy since it starts with a 9am covid test down the road before we go. My son spent Monday with a friend who tested positive on Tuesday.

We'll probably get the results tomorrow night (at the hotel) and have to figure out what to do from there. If he's positive then we probably all will be, and I have no idea what the school does with him then.

Not a good way to start his first year on campus.

 

[farside05]

Beyond the current MSU test, I'm sitting here thinking.... I have the Jacks Tap which I used fairly successfully last grow. What if I supplement it with Calcium Sulfate (aka Gypsum) rather than Magnesium Sulfate? The MSU has more Calcium than the Jack's, but the Jack's has more Ammonical Nitrate than the MSU, which matches my water better. A little search on Calcium to Magnesium ratios, so that I don't create anything too out of wack gives this tidbit...

"If soil calcium and magnesium levels are adequate and soil pH is acceptable, variations in the calcium-to-magnesium ratio between 2 and 8 have been shown to have no influence on crop yield."

SOURCE

I'm in bed right now, but when I get to a PC, I'll have to crunch some numbers. Might be on to what I've really been searching for all along... a fertilizer that meets all my ppm per element benchmarks, along with having the correct mixture of Ammoniacal to Nitrate Nitrogen to maintain the pH of my substrate while using 150ppm tap water.