Graytail's 4th Perpetual: 4x4 Samsung Panels

Mr. Krip · Dec 19, 2018

Amy Gardner said:
Evening Gray, nice fluffy colonies you have growing there

I have a question about my light, and it’s use.

I have some new seedlings in, autos, they’re a few days out of the soil. I started them under a weak cfl (4000k).

Then I moved them to 3’ under my array of 5x128 diode boards getting about 20watts each.

I did have it turned up higher but the new leaves were getting bleached so I backed off the light. They’re still coming out looking bleached tho.

Maybe it’s something else but getting the light wrong is the only thing I can think of.

I took these, yesterday before I turned the light down. Today it continues and new growth comes out looking like this.

Curious what you think...

Pennywise said:
Amy, that is a classic Magnesium deficiency, make sure your ph is around 6.0 or so. Calmag will do the trick if ph is in range.

Amy Gardner said:
Ok thanks both.

Yes - I didn’t think it could be the light but couldn’t figure out anything else, so thanks for confirming that Gray.

These are in the DBHBB kit with gnat nix on top of the soil (I have no interest in hempy ). My water is rain water. The other seedlings the are a little older (than the one in photo) were green and went white under the led. Maybe the light isn’t enough!?

Anyway I’m trying to get them outside... I have some challenging circumstances that don’t matter so much growing photos where time is fairly relaxed early on... but getting a successful routine for autos is trickier!

So it was helpful Gray!

Edit:On the nutrient things you both mentioned... I thought that wasn’t really possible at this stage - seedling has everything it needs to get going, right?

Amy, you are correct! That seedling is too young to have a PH-related nutrient deficiency! I'm sure she's just "getting her footing" and will grow out of it. It's possible you have some variegated leaf pheno, but more likely she just needs to get some roots out.

Mr. Krip · Dec 19, 2018

Plants all look awesome, GT! :bravo:

The BBH and Blueniverse are incredible! :yummy:

Neiko · Dec 19, 2018

Another great update Gray :high-five:

I hope my Bubba gets that color this run. I got some of it last run but not much. Looking at the Deadly Sativas I see I shouldn't plan on the 8-9 week flowering time the breeder advertises. That looks to be 2-3 weeks out still ya think? Looking at mine compared to the Bubba which were flipped together, I was just thinking that it looks to be a stretch that it will be done in 8-9 weeks. The DS is sure starting to put out some powerful odors now too, what are you getting from yours? Are they both the same in the smell department?

Dutchman1990 · Dec 19, 2018

Beauty harvest Gray! All them flowering girls looks lovely!

Killerbudz · Dec 19, 2018

All plants looking great man, really like the structure of the DS2!

I would say you grow some pretty good plants In smaller pots so what's your secret to success? Skip plain waters, feed heavy?

SweetSue · Dec 19, 2018

SweetSue said:
The DD2 has a lovely profile.

Hmmm that was supposed to be DS2. Too many stoners around here to confuse them like that. Lol!

Mornin’ Graytail. :hug:

Had to come back and droll all over again. Some day let’s plan to do a Christmas Cannabis Exchange. :slide:

TheGreenYeti · Dec 19, 2018

DCPurple looks very nice to me! I think that her purple is kind of muted by those vibrant green leaves she has. It is always odd to see purple buds and green leaves. All in all you have some very fine plants going on like always bud!

weenmeoff · Dec 19, 2018

Great update Gray! I love them all but the blueniverse reveg is my favorite.

:yummy:

dajerm119 · Dec 19, 2018

Geez... here goes Gray making most of us look bad again... :rolleyes:

All kidding aside, those are some stunning ladies. Great work, as always I’m impressed with your ability to keep them so well in small pots!

Van Stank · Dec 19, 2018

Mr. Krip said:
Amy, you are correct! That seedling is too young to have a PH-related nutrient deficiency! I'm sure she's just "getting her footing" and will grow out of it. It's possible you have some variegated leaf pheno, but more likely she just needs to get some roots out.

Thats what I was thinking as well.....both cases. Leaning towards just let her grow, but it could also be variegation. Either way, time will show ya which if either will be the culprit.

Van Stank · Dec 19, 2018

Gray, your plants look marvelous as always my friend! You grow some of the prettiest plants on this forum. My hats off to ya brother! Great line up by the way.

Mr. Magoo · Dec 19, 2018

Very impressive Gray! I’m always looking forward to your updates. I also learn so much here! Appreciate what you do here brother!

Graytail · Dec 19, 2018

Mr. Krip said:
Plants all look awesome, GT!

The BBH and Blueniverse are incredible!

Thank ya, Krip. :slide:

Bubba is amazing every time I grow her, but Bluniverse is putting on a beautiful show this run.

neikodog said:
Another great update Gray

I hope my Bubba gets that color this run. I got some of it last run but not much. Looking at the Deadly Sativas I see I shouldn't plan on the 8-9 week flowering time the breeder advertises. That looks to be 2-3 weeks out still ya think? Looking at mine compared to the Bubba which were flipped together, I was just thinking that it looks to be a stretch that it will be done in 8-9 weeks. The DS is sure starting to put out some powerful odors now too, what are you getting from yours? Are they both the same in the smell department?

I planned on the DeadlySativas taking 10 weeks and it looks like I'll be right.

Dunno, I never believe the breeder's estimates. A lot of it has to do with HB soil I think - they all just stay blooming for a little longer. :hmmmm:

I don't think mine are reeking yet but it's hard to tell. Bluniverse is right next to them and she's pretty smelly, along with Zam+ which is doing its strawberry thing again. So I get these blasts of aromas but I don't necessarily know where they're coming from.

When I pull them out for pics, I pull off dead leaves and stuff, but I didn't notice anything in particular from the DSs. I studied the lineage and on the PrayerTower side, Bodhi says 25% were stretchier from the Appalachia and 25% were bushy from the LemonThai. So this bushy DS2 I have is probably a LemonThai leaner, and your stretchy one might be a Appalachia leaner (GreenCrack x TresDawg). 28% total cannabinoids huh?

Lookin' forward to it.

Dutchman1990 said:
Beauty harvest Gray! All them flowering girls looks lovely!

Thanks Dutchman! Bluniverse actually looks better than the pics - my camera flash washes things out when the trichs are so dense.

Killerbudz said:
All plants looking great man, really like the structure of the DS2!

I would say you grow some pretty good plants In smaller pots so what's your secret to success? Skip plain waters, feed heavy?

I don't actually know why the small pots are doing so well. :hmmmm:

I'm feeding only a little heavier, probably more often rather than stronger ... they're staying in one gallon starter pots longer - I used to upcan and keep vegging - now I wait until flip ...

When I broke up the BubbaHash rootball it wasn't completely packed, and that's been true of some others, so I'm clearly not pushing them too hard. I think it's working because I'm settling for the lower yield - anywhere from 16 grams to 2+ ounces per plant. The higher yielders tend to be the wild sativas. It works especially well for those.

SweetSue said:
Hmmm that was supposed to be DS2. Too many stoners around here to confuse them like that. Lol!

Mornin’ Graytail. Had to come back and droll all over again. Some day let’s plan to do a Christmas Cannabis Exchange.

Mornin' Sweetie! Good idea!

Ahem ... um ... lol, I've been meaning to mention it one day and today is the day! Um ... every single time, without fail, you spell drool with one "o" and two "l"s. :rofl:

I figured one day, I'd quietly see it become drool, but thus far, no .. Jus' thought I'd mention it.

TheGreenYeti said:
DCPurple looks very nice to me! I think that her purple is kind of muted by those vibrant green leaves she has. It is always odd to see purple buds and green leaves. All in all you have some very fine plants going on like always bud!

I know what you mean.

The first one had gorgeous cream-colored pistils against the magenta/grape calyxes and the dark green leaves with purple centers - lovely. This one has whiter pistils.

weenmeoff said:
Great update Gray! I love them all but the blueniverse reveg is my favorite.

I'm looking forward to having a larger harvest to work with. The last one was just 20 grams so I didn't have much time with it. I'm looking for the KaliMist in it, and it's there, but it was hidden behind something lethargic. This one will give me more time to evaluate. :bongrip:

dajerm119 said:
Geez... here goes Gray making most of us look bad again...

All kidding aside, those are some stunning ladies. Great work, as always I’m impressed with your ability to keep them so well in small pots!

Thanks Daj! You should try a couple small ones. :cool:

Van Stank said:
Gray, your plants look marvelous as always my friend! You grow some of the prettiest plants on this forum. My hats off to ya brother! Great line up by the way.

Says the guy who consistently grows the big beauties! :love:

Mr. Magoo said:
Very impressive Gray! I’m always looking forward to your updates. I also learn so much here! Appreciate what you do here brother!

You're entirely welcome Magoo! Almost everything I know, I learned from reading 420Mag. It's an amazing resource! We all just pass this knowledge around, and have fun doing it. :slide:

dynamo1 · Dec 19, 2018

slobber & drool :rofl:

speechless

SweetSue · Dec 19, 2018

Hahaha! I never caught it Graytail. I will from now on. :rofl:

dajerm119 · Dec 19, 2018

I may just do that Gray, grow out 2 smaller sativas for more variety!! Yep, you may have talked me into it... I will need to think on it!

Graytail · Dec 19, 2018

Yup, give it a whirl! :slide:

The other advantage to running sativas in small pots is the short veg. I start looking to flip around 45-50 days and get a 3-4 foot plant that finishes in 12 weeks. That's a total of only 130 to 140 days, tops.

dajerm119 · Dec 19, 2018

Graytail said:
Yup, give it a whirl!

The other advantage to running sativas in small pots is the short veg. I start looking to flip around 45-50 days and get a 3-4 foot plant that finishes in 12 weeks. That's a total of only 130 to 140 days, tops.

Nice, well I would rely on your help if/when I ran into any issues. I’ll shoot you a message before I begin. :passitleft: