Graytail's 4th Perpetual: 4x4 Samsung Panels
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I did some upcanning today and this is what greeted me when I opened the bin of 2nd run soil. 
Evening Gray, nice fluffy colonies you have growing there
I have a question about my light, and it’s use.
I have some new seedlings in, autos, they’re a few days out of the soil. I started them under a weak cfl (4000k).
Then I moved them to 3’ under my array of 5x128 diode boards getting about 20watts each.
I did have it turned up higher but the new leaves were getting bleached so I backed off the light. They’re still coming out looking bleached tho.
Maybe it’s something else but getting the light wrong is the only thing I can think of.
I took these, yesterday before I turned the light down. Today it continues and new growth comes out looking like this.
Curious what you think...
I have a question about my light, and it’s use.
I have some new seedlings in, autos, they’re a few days out of the soil. I started them under a weak cfl (4000k).
Then I moved them to 3’ under my array of 5x128 diode boards getting about 20watts each.
I did have it turned up higher but the new leaves were getting bleached so I backed off the light. They’re still coming out looking bleached tho.
Maybe it’s something else but getting the light wrong is the only thing I can think of.
I took these, yesterday before I turned the light down. Today it continues and new growth comes out looking like this.
Curious what you think...
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I doubt that your light is too bright for seedlings - they're a lot sturdier than we think. Unlike a cutting, a seedling wants nice bright light for its first couple weeks. If your headroom was one foot instead of three I might be concerned, but there really isn't any way that it's getting too much light at that distance.
It looks more like a nutrient thing to me, and I'm not familiar with perlite as a medium, so I don't know what's going on in there.
Typically, they grow their way out of these glitches.
(Not much help, I know)
It looks more like a nutrient thing to me, and I'm not familiar with perlite as a medium, so I don't know what's going on in there.
Typically, they grow their way out of these glitches.
(Not much help, I know)
Amy, that is a classic Magnesium deficiency, make sure your ph is around 6.0 or so. Calmag will do the trick if ph is in range.
Ok thanks both. 
Yes - I didn’t think it could be the light but couldn’t figure out anything else, so thanks for confirming that Gray.
These are in the DBHBB kit with gnat nix on top of the soil (I have no interest in hempy
). My water is rain water. The other seedlings the are a little older (than the one in photo) were green and went white under the led. Maybe the light isn’t enough!?
Anyway I’m trying to get them outside... I have some challenging circumstances that don’t matter so much growing photos where time is fairly relaxed early on... but getting a successful routine for autos is trickier!
So it was helpful Gray!
Edit:On the nutrient things you both mentioned... I thought that wasn’t really possible at this stage - seedling has everything it needs to get going, right?
Yes - I didn’t think it could be the light but couldn’t figure out anything else, so thanks for confirming that Gray.
These are in the DBHBB kit with gnat nix on top of the soil (I have no interest in hempy
). My water is rain water. The other seedlings the are a little older (than the one in photo) were green and went white under the led. Maybe the light isn’t enough!?Anyway I’m trying to get them outside... I have some challenging circumstances that don’t matter so much growing photos where time is fairly relaxed early on... but getting a successful routine for autos is trickier!
So it was helpful Gray!
Edit:On the nutrient things you both mentioned... I thought that wasn’t really possible at this stage - seedling has everything it needs to get going, right?
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Yup. The gnatnix threw me off. So you're in HB soil ...
And the others went pale, too ...
Pale lime green usually freaks out new users, so I'm used to calming that, but this looks different - just like Pennywise said - dark veining, pale body ... it looks like some sort of deficiency, but in HB soil, at this stage of growth, that's very unlikely.
Is this the old soil mix, or the new batch with the added calcium?
And the others went pale, too ...
Pale lime green usually freaks out new users, so I'm used to calming that, but this looks different - just like Pennywise said - dark veining, pale body ... it looks like some sort of deficiency, but in HB soil, at this stage of growth, that's very unlikely.
Is this the old soil mix, or the new batch with the added calcium?
New with added calcium...
I brought them in because lots of rain was predicted and I figured it a bad time for them to be getting wet every day for a week
That’s mostly passed now and I’ve just put them back outside. They will get rain this week, a bit, but ce’st la vie, just leaving them outside is a better option for me I think.
I’m not averse to the lime pale new growth that can happen. It always happens on my outdoor plants, esp after rain when they’re really humming with new growth! This looks different...
I’ll see how they go and let you know
I brought them in because lots of rain was predicted and I figured it a bad time for them to be getting wet every day for a week
That’s mostly passed now and I’ve just put them back outside. They will get rain this week, a bit, but ce’st la vie, just leaving them outside is a better option for me I think.
I’m not averse to the lime pale new growth that can happen. It always happens on my outdoor plants, esp after rain when they’re really humming with new growth! This looks different...
I’ll see how they go and let you know
Meanwhile, I have coaxed the photos along well after getting on top of the gnats and bringing the plants in out of the cold nights we were having (and, actually giving them a day or 2 under the light as well when the cyclone tail was drenching is!). They have bounced beautifully. Still in the 1gals, which were pre adding the extra cal. (I’m homeless for a bit so I’m updating you here, at your place ).
Critical mass -vvv- very vigorous
White widow -vvv- really slow start, looking great now (topped since)
Candida CD-1 -vvv- looking nice, oddly bendy... tries to lie down after foliage spray so seems weak maybe, lower branching is weak and bendy too. Genetics perhaps, the other 2 plants are very strong. I have the stick there to tie it too when I spray so it doesn’t break down low (I’ve been doing weaponised Destress and BRix - thrips and white flies in our garden, the predators need a little help from us )
There we are ... I just had the need to post some nice looking plants somewhere!!
I’m really happy with how they’ve come along.
).Critical mass -vvv- very vigorous
White widow -vvv- really slow start, looking great now (topped since)
Candida CD-1 -vvv- looking nice, oddly bendy... tries to lie down after foliage spray so seems weak maybe, lower branching is weak and bendy too. Genetics perhaps, the other 2 plants are very strong. I have the stick there to tie it too when I spray so it doesn’t break down low (I’ve been doing weaponised Destress and BRix - thrips and white flies in our garden, the predators need a little help from us
) There we are ... I just had the need to post some nice looking plants somewhere!!
I’m really happy with how they’ve come along.
Jgrowlove
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Looking really good Amy!! Your vegging plants good very healthy! I wouldn't worry about that seedling she looks pretty good to me also! I had one look really rough the first week. Then she bounced right back!
kelticBlue
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Nice One. The re veg is moving right along. 
I have one going too... my chop was about Oct. 1 but i pretty much ignored the environment for a month after chop so it looks behind yours.
Do you know when you are going to flower the re veg?
I have one going too... my chop was about Oct. 1 but i pretty much ignored the environment for a month after chop so it looks behind yours.
Do you know when you are going to flower the re veg?
JustMeds
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I would not change anything for your seedling. Let it be I bet she is just getting her laces tied up good and tight for the run. I would say she is growing top side faster then the few roots she has now can provide, but then again them are my thoughts.
Hi Graytail just getting caught up and grabbing a seat for the grow! Looking good
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OK, I have another update for y'all! 
BubbaHash got chopped and is hanging on the strings. She was particularly pretty this time with all the bronzes and purples. This one went 67 days which is the longest I've gone with this strain, but the calyxes were looking so fine I just had to let it go a few more days.
Bluniverse Reveg is next, due as soon as Bubba is in the jars - looking pretty good.
Carnival is getting nice and heavy - a couple weeks yet to go.
The DeadlySativas are at the stage where they're starting to impress. DS1 is 13 days behind Carnival and her trichs are coming on fast. She looks like Carnival did last week. DS2 is another 6 days younger than DS1, but she faded really hard after the Cats, so I'm gonna have to nurse her a bit.
DCPurple is only 10 days away from the usual finish but this one looks like it could go longer. It's also not purpling very fast, so I may have to rethink my genetics.
Dunno, I thought it'd be darker.
Here's her relative DevilsCarnival5.
Goofy lookin lil thang - I never measured it - I bet it isn't 14 inches from tip to soil, but whew, she's all sticky bud - gonna be a PIA to trim but there are trichs everywhere. I tried to pull a lot of the crispy leaves off and got fingers full of sticky gooey stuff.
Zam+ is starting to build some recognizable calyxes - she has another 3-4 weeks to go.
Bluniverse is doing well ...
And here's GojiPupil. She's been steadily losing her large fans, but the others are staying nice and green. So far so good, and the cuts root well, too. Nice bluish purpling.
That's it for the flowering girls.
I upcanned another BubbaHash to 3 gallons and flipped it today, and I'll be doing some topping and potting tomorrow, so I'll get back with those pics later.
BubbaHash got chopped and is hanging on the strings. She was particularly pretty this time with all the bronzes and purples. This one went 67 days which is the longest I've gone with this strain, but the calyxes were looking so fine I just had to let it go a few more days.
Bluniverse Reveg is next, due as soon as Bubba is in the jars - looking pretty good.
Carnival is getting nice and heavy - a couple weeks yet to go.
The DeadlySativas are at the stage where they're starting to impress.
DS1 is 13 days behind Carnival and her trichs are coming on fast. She looks like Carnival did last week. DS2 is another 6 days younger than DS1, but she faded really hard after the Cats, so I'm gonna have to nurse her a bit.DCPurple is only 10 days away from the usual finish but this one looks like it could go longer. It's also not purpling very fast, so I may have to rethink my genetics.
Dunno, I thought it'd be darker.Here's her relative DevilsCarnival5.
Goofy lookin lil thang - I never measured it - I bet it isn't 14 inches from tip to soil, but whew, she's all sticky bud - gonna be a PIA to trim but there are trichs everywhere. I tried to pull a lot of the crispy leaves off and got fingers full of sticky gooey stuff. Zam+ is starting to build some recognizable calyxes - she has another 3-4 weeks to go.
Bluniverse is doing well ...
And here's GojiPupil. She's been steadily losing her large fans, but the others are staying nice and green. So far so good, and the cuts root well, too. Nice bluish purpling.
That's it for the flowering girls.
I upcanned another BubbaHash to 3 gallons and flipped it today, and I'll be doing some topping and potting tomorrow, so I'll get back with those pics later.
Ok... there’s just no way to tell you how impressive all of that is. Lol! It’s a steady stream of “Damn!”, “Whoa!” , “HTH does he do that?” reading your updates Graytail.
The DD2 has a lovely profile.
They’re a lovely class, with more behind. The BubbaHash.... Gray... stunning.
Sure, I’ll do another stroll. The floor’s gonna get wet with all the droll in a few. Lol!
The DD2 has a lovely profile.
They’re a lovely class, with more behind. The BubbaHash.... Gray... stunning.
Sure, I’ll do another stroll. The floor’s gonna get wet with all the droll in a few. Lol!
Kinda partial to the Carn and DC. What can I say? That DC is pretty enough to eat. 
Stellar as usual Graytail 
Such a pleasure to enjoy, your updates. That bubba finished beautifully. Are those extra/deeper colours because it was more cold this time? Or is it just something the plant did, no real explanation?
I have a question about that post CAT fade, too. Does the CAT Drench really turn on the demand for calcium/magnesium? I ask because I had a little auto that totally went crispy and faded heavily and rapidly on the leaves straight after a CAT and that was in the soil that was maybe underdone in the calcium department. So that already had me thinking that the soil maybe didn’t have what the plant needed once the CAT kicked things in, but I had no idea if that made any sense or not and have been thinking I would ask about it. You mentioning the post-CAT fade here prompted me...
Thanks for all the beautiful flowers
Such a pleasure to enjoy, your updates. That bubba finished beautifully. Are those extra/deeper colours because it was more cold this time? Or is it just something the plant did, no real explanation?
I have a question about that post CAT fade, too. Does the CAT Drench really turn on the demand for calcium/magnesium? I ask because I had a little auto that totally went crispy and faded heavily and rapidly on the leaves straight after a CAT and that was in the soil that was maybe underdone in the calcium department. So that already had me thinking that the soil maybe didn’t have what the plant needed once the CAT kicked things in, but I had no idea if that made any sense or not and have been thinking I would ask about it. You mentioning the post-CAT fade here prompted me...
Thanks for all the beautiful flowers
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Thank you, Sweetie.
This Carnival pheno I have is very nice. I wish it had the lime aroma but it's still a little fruity - the dried buds kinda explode with a pop of flavor on the first hit. It's still my preferred weed. I sure do like the look of Bluniverse this time though. I got less than an ounce last time, so this will let me give it a better test.
I gotta pop me another couple DCs too.
Good to see you Dutchman!
This Carnival pheno I have is very nice. I wish it had the lime aroma but it's still a little fruity - the dried buds kinda explode with a pop of flavor on the first hit. It's still my preferred weed. I sure do like the look of Bluniverse this time though. I got less than an ounce last time, so this will let me give it a better test.
I gotta pop me another couple DCs too.
Hi Graytail just getting caught up and grabbing a seat for the grow! Looking good
Good to see you Dutchman!
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Thanks Amy.
I think most of the coloration on Bubba had to be from lower temps - would have been gorgeous in a bigger plant.
Cation Drench is a formulation that changes the electrical charge of the soil. It consists of minerals bonded to ammonium, and becomes ionic in the soil, popping off minerals that had adsorbed to humus and clays, etc. But it also makes the current nutrients more unavailable, so if the adsorbed minerals don't provide as much nutrition as the previous balance, the plant can get starved when the Cat drench rinses out and the charge reverts.
It still comes as a surprise to me when it happens so I don't know how to prevent it. It helps if the cation sites in the soil are well loaded before we apply the Cat drench, but it's not like there's an app for that, y'know? Something like a Superdrench with lots of Trans and Growth can bring them back pretty fast. I gave a strong shot to Bluniverse Reveg when it faded and it stabilized.
I think most of the coloration on Bubba had to be from lower temps - would have been gorgeous in a bigger plant.
Cation Drench is a formulation that changes the electrical charge of the soil. It consists of minerals bonded to ammonium, and becomes ionic in the soil, popping off minerals that had adsorbed to humus and clays, etc. But it also makes the current nutrients more unavailable, so if the adsorbed minerals don't provide as much nutrition as the previous balance, the plant can get starved when the Cat drench rinses out and the charge reverts.
It still comes as a surprise to me when it happens so I don't know how to prevent it.
It helps if the cation sites in the soil are well loaded before we apply the Cat drench, but it's not like there's an app for that, y'know? Something like a Superdrench with lots of Trans and Growth can bring them back pretty fast. I gave a strong shot to Bluniverse Reveg when it faded and it stabilized.
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