Wish I could hit like 10x on this one brother.I think most of us here are actually Libertarian, regardless of whether we know it and which party we might vote for.
IMHO, as someone who was around in the 60's (though, still young!), the people who call themselves "Liberals" are actually Progressives, or people who've always voted (or come from families who've always voted) Democrat and don't realize the "Liberals" are no longer liberal.
Back in "the day", being Liberal meant you opposed the illegal wars in Asia (and elsewhere), advocated free speach, advocated for Women's Rights, had peaceful protests & sit-ins, etc. If Liberals were still actually liberal, I'd probably be one myself since I'm basically a hippie, anyways!
Today, there is no anti-war movement on the left, though I suspect now that we have Trump in office, we'll see one again soon. They certainly don't advocate for free speech, unless that speech aligns with their ideals. They shut down conservative speakers on campuses, ban conservatives on social media platforms, and chase conservative politicians with their families out of restaurants. As for women's rights, as long as it's not a conservative woman, you'll have a friend in a "Liberal" today and, if your a minority who happens to be conservative, surely you'll be ostracized. Peaceful protests & sit-in? Just look at Antifa or the paid protesters that descended on Congress during the recent Supreme Court Hearings. They're hateful, violent, and destructive.
It's not even about conservative vs. liberal or right vs. left anymore. It's just right vs. wrong and all of us need to find a way to share this earth together in some sort of "harmony".
Sorry to expand on the rant!
, and she has even defended violence by saying "sometimes you just gotta get peoples attention by any means possible") along with physical harm. Liberals as I knew them would defend any platform for free speech regardless of the message, not use threats of physical harm or even violence to shut them down. Its disturbing for sure man. 
Well said brother!I think the hypocrisy of politicians has distorted the words “conservative” and “liberal”. Nowadays the conservatives trade security and morals for short term financial gain and the liberals try to force their square peg morals in everyone’s round holes.
With the internet the propaganda has become so rampant it’s worse than Orwell even predicted. People will believe anything, even otherwise “smart” people love being told what to think and they often don’t even know it.
I think what people today are lacking is empathy and the ability to figure things out for themselves. People seem to be far too wrapped up in themselves to consider others viewpoints and far to willing to accept the ideas of those who share a few misleading facts or even straight out lies.
What do I know I was raised with good Christian morals and am unwavering in my personal view of what’s right so I’d have to now be considered a liberal when just a few years ago I was instantly considered a conservative.
I have been told several times before by those that confuse us......any means to resist the right and TRUMP! When I try to push what exactly that means, it all breaks down from there. Its always deflection and a "BUT He....." as a justification. I still haven't ever been given an answer from a modern liberal as to what they are resisting. On the rare occasion I do get one....its usually "Hate". When asked to expound on hate, I usually get a pretty good example of what exactly hate is as I watch them have a meltdown at being unable to discuss their feelings or opinions. I generally smile as the barrage of personal attacks get slung my way and usually respond with "and you wonder why people don't listen to you or take you serious".You and I think a lot alike, Mr. Krip.
The Left used to be kind and hopeful - the good-hearted dreamers in the mix. They recognized that their perfect world probably would never exist, but they were the ones responsible for pushing us that direction. The Right kept hands on the reins, resisting change. Everybody got along; the pendulum swung back and forth.
I don't know what Progressives stand for though. They won't stop the rant long enough to exchange sentences.
For those in the audience from the Left ... that's all we see ... hair-on-fire hysteria and passionate blurtings. What they say makes no sense. I know it's not the good Democrats that are doing it, but their leaders all are. I'd have a hard time supporting that sort of behavior. It confuses the crap out of me. No one is embarrassed by it? It's all "right on!" "preach sista!"? This stuff is right and good?
I'm just so confused ...
Something in his manner simply disassembles the ranters. 
All those smug faces blurting hysterically about their fantastical opinions about people they couldn't stand to spend a couple hours with in a small-town bar, like any well adjusted secure person could. I can see the sweat breaking out on their brows, their tight faces waxy and afraid, eyes flitting around for some means of escape ... yeah, that'd be real impressive I'm sure. They should just all powder their faces and get those fancy wigs and ruffled collars, and be the court hangers-on that they are ... gasping and twittering amongst themselves about the latest outrage.
Now I really like you Doc!
But the problem with Libertarians is that they're not interested in government and Parties, so ...
Hard to create a Party.
I vote for the one most likely to leave me the fuck alone. Screaming in my face that I'm a bad person doesn't help.
couple times a week I say to myself, "don't they realize we can see them and hear them talking about us"?
I was thinking the same. A mod team that aren’t afraid to piss people off for the sake of keeping the forum a lot classier than most... and then the folks that hang around are ones that respect that (even if they bump up against it from time to time).
Gray - back to growing things for a moment. How do you manage the upping of light intensity once into flower? Do you just crank it once you flip? Or ease it up slowly. And I know you run your boards about 20w each during veg... what to you give them max during flower?
