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LOL! They didn't return? Or ... :D

Oh well, that's where soil and bugs belong anyway.
 
Graytail said:
I wonder if we could cook pests out of the soil ...

Probably not practical, but if you could bake it at a couple hundred degrees for awhile, and then re-inoculate the biota ... hmmm ...

I'm thinking of all that soil - ugh - hard to toss it.
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Yes Gray..i thought long and hard about that too. No good..very messy , very long , tedious project with 40 gals. of soil. Also would take days in a normal sized oven......
 
Graytail said:
LOL! They didn't return? Or ... :D

Oh well, that's where soil and bugs belong anyway.
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Never asked him....he sure had a bumper crop of flowers though..lol.
 
Stinky. Yeah, I ruled out the oven right away. :p

I was thinking of some sort of garage MacGuyver thing. :hmmmm: Ahhhh ... I actually have a barrel stove in the garage I never use - sumpin like that .... or a smoker.

Yeah, it could be done.
 
Magoo....before ya dump that soil....just try sumpin OK. Clean a spot on a table or bench...with your fingers...get a pinch of soil near the roots.No need to dig down very deep...just an inch or so , for a good damp sample. Prolly best to use a spoon..lol. Have a quick look at them under a scope. You will be shocked....i know , i was.
 
Very good idea!

And I was just looking at various soil critters on google images. :thumb:
 
Thanks guys. As far as those images from the link, none of them seem to be the culprit. Those aphids are a lot bigger than what I saw. But it could be nymphs though I suppose. While we are on the subject of pest and the kit....I know the leaf wash is good but what is bad? As far as all the good stuff in the soil....what forms of pest control kill the herd?
 
Mr. Magoo said:
Thanks guys. As far as those images from the link, none of them seem to be the culprit. Those aphids are a lot bigger than what I saw. But it could be nymphs though I suppose. While we are on the subject of pest and the kit....I know the leaf wash is good but what is bad? As far as all the good stuff in the soil....what forms of pest control kill the herd?
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i originally thought Nematodes as well but dont think they can be seen with the naked eye but maybe some
get big enough ? Here is another link with some pictures of the damage and culprits

Burrowing nematode disease
 
Mr. Magoo said:
Interesting. If they get big enough to see ,that could be them. The pyrethrum they mention was what I was wondering about. Does that kill the herd?
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I'll let Doc answer that I have no idea but I know OSH and maybe Lowes carry the BENIFICIAL NEMATODES that
I beleive would get them but AGAIN Not sure about the effect in LIVING SOIL

OK
Mr. Magoo

Still reading up on them and found this so thinking maybe NOT

"Being slender and transparent, they cannot often be seen by the naked eye. Other groups of worms may be confused with nematodes. ... With a few exceptions, if you can see an organism, with the naked eye, it is not a plant-parasitic nematode.

EDIT: A lot of contradicting information as I just found this

"Nematodes are small, slender worms: typically about 5 to 100 µm thick, and 0.1 to 2.5 mm long. The smallest nematodes are microscopic, while free-living species can reach as much as 5 cm (2 in), and some parasitic species are larger still, reaching over 1 m (3 ft) in length. "

Are nematodes visible?
The largest, the longidorids, are 5-10mm long, but many nematodes are shorter than 1 mm. ... The white, wriggling worm-like organisms, commonly seen in rotting plant material or compost, are seldom nematodes. With a few exceptions, if you can see an organism, with the naked eye, it is not a plant-parasitic nematode.


What do nematodes do to plants?
Many species of nematodes are 'free-living', living in soil, sea and freshwater. These feed on bacteria, fungi, protozoans and even other nematodes, and play a very important role in nutrient cycling and release of nutrients for plant growth. Other nematodes attack insects, and help to control insect pests.

Are nematodes good for your garden?
Most nematodes are beneficial, feeding on bacteria, fungi, or other microscopic organisms, and some may be used as biological control organisms to help manage important insect pests. However, plant-parasitic nematodes (Figure 1) feed on live plants and are detrimental to the garden.

How do I get rid of nematodes?
Remove plants and dig up the roots at the end of each growing season to remove the nematodes' food source. Dispose of the plant matter. Till the soil after removing the plants to dry the soil and expose the nematodes to sunlight, which kills them.

How can nematodes be controlled?
Prevent nematodes from entering your garden by using only nematode-free plants purchased from reliable nurseries. To prevent the spread of nematodes, avoid moving plants and soil from infested parts of the garden. Don't allow irrigation water from around infested plants to run off, as this also spreads nematodes.
 
Gazoo said:
I'll let Doc answer that I have no idea but I know OSH and maybe Lowes carry the BENIFICIAL NEMATODES that
I beleive would get them but AGAIN Not sure about the effect in LIVING SOIL

OK
Mr. Magoo

Still reading up on them and found this so thinking maybe NOT

"Being slender and transparent, they cannot often be seen by the naked eye. Other groups of worms may be confused with nematodes. ... With a few exceptions, if you can see an organism, with the naked eye, it is not a plant-parasitic nematode.

EDIT: A lot of contradicting information as I just found this

"Nematodes are small, slender worms: typically about 5 to 100 µm thick, and 0.1 to 2.5 mm long. The smallest nematodes are microscopic, while free-living species can reach as much as 5 cm (2 in), and some parasitic species are larger still, reaching over 1 m (3 ft) in length. "

Are nematodes visible?
The largest, the longidorids, are 5-10mm long, but many nematodes are shorter than 1 mm. ... The white, wriggling worm-like organisms, commonly seen in rotting plant material or compost, are seldom nematodes. With a few exceptions, if you can see an organism, with the naked eye, it is not a plant-parasitic nematode.


What do nematodes do to plants?
Many species of nematodes are 'free-living', living in soil, sea and freshwater. These feed on bacteria, fungi, protozoans and even other nematodes, and play a very important role in nutrient cycling and release of nutrients for plant growth. Other nematodes attack insects, and help to control insect pests.

Are nematodes good for your garden?
Most nematodes are beneficial, feeding on bacteria, fungi, or other microscopic organisms, and some may be used as biological control organisms to help manage important insect pests. However, plant-parasitic nematodes (Figure 1) feed on live plants and are detrimental to the garden.

How do I get rid of nematodes?
Remove plants and dig up the roots at the end of each growing season to remove the nematodes' food source. Dispose of the plant matter. Till the soil after removing the plants to dry the soil and expose the nematodes to sunlight, which kills them.

How can nematodes be controlled?
Prevent nematodes from entering your garden by using only nematode-free plants purchased from reliable nurseries. To prevent the spread of nematodes, avoid moving plants and soil from infested parts of the garden. Don't allow irrigation water from around infested plants to run off, as this also spreads nematodes.
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Caenorhabditis elegans

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interesting article

NEMATODE DISEASES OF PLANTS
 
I know these lil fuckers.......like i said..they are root aphids. This is how deadly they are. Think of those nice coiling roots ..wrapping all around and around and around, ..the inside of the pot. What the Aphids do , is eat thru that coil..perhaps at it's beginning...see, then all the rest of that root 'leg' is now history. Thats how they are. you can see them with the naked eye , but put your glasses on cuz they are very small, move fairly quickly ...are somewhat 'translucent', . under the scope...they look like little monsters out of a friggen nightmare...lmfao!
 
All they do is eat roots, and make more aphids.
 
Gazoo said:
OK i bet these are the buggers

STING NEMATODES
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Yes!!!....Look closely...you can see some along those roots...very , very tiny! Thanks Gazoo....right on dude!
 
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