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[Growlow]

I like how you describe her.

I meant to add she is the "Pain pain go away" fairy. A good number of my clients I consult to have severe pain issues. Every single one of them use Night Nurse in replacement of their heavy pain meds.

EDIT: Including those suffering from insomnia. Like myself!

 

[Sorenna]

Very nice.

 

[Graytail]

GT, do you put holes in your beer cups?

I never answered this, DrZ. I most certainly do. I developed a strong aversion to pots without drain holes over my decades of caring for houseplants and patio container gardens. I just poked a dozen or so little holes in the cups along the bottoms. They only drip drain, but they drain. These didn't get cared for, including regular waterings. I probably let 'em go completely limp 2-3 times. They don't like that at this age.

But they're perking back up, especially Tikal. I just took pics:

4 days ago:

Now:

4 days ago:

Now:

What's happening GT? I put my Tikals (both female) and Tangerine Dream into flower Sunday and Monday. I can't wait, the clock is ticking. Do you only have 1 Tikal going? My 2 are like 2 different plants, I know this was a new strain for ACE so maybe there is a lot of different Phenos. Have a good one bud.

Yup, just the one, but it's a vigorous lil sucker. With Haze, Guatemalan IBL sativa, and Hindu Kush, there're bound to be a variety of phenos. Mine looks kinda Guatemalan so far, I think - has the wide spiky leaves.

Hello Gray!
I´ll be hangin around this one

I really like the reasoning behind your trainning technique, I´ve been interested in it since your last year´s perpetual. 1 topping is more than enough to redistribute de auxin hormone apical meristem dominance to the lateral meristems. By continuous gently bending, you contribute to further this redistribution without being harsh on the plant nor decimating your crop.
I don´t know if you have done 12/12 from seed, the plants usually start showing flowering tendencies (as in fast stretching) towards the 4th week (depending on strain), counting from their first HBx feeding (I start the Growth Energy when I see 3 nodes). So they don´t veg for long, thus the window of time for topping is limited.
I will try your method for this 12/12 crop and I hope you can advice me.
I´m thinking on 1 topping plus your LST. Until what development stage do you continue to bend? Until you see bud formation or further?

I appreciate your time And I love how you make the gals look.
Greetz!

You're basically talking about what I just did to the BH x BB. This is what it looked like when I decided to top and train. It had accelerated the top growth and left a nice gap of tight nodes with several decent side branches on them.

4 days ago I topped it and it looked like this:

I bent the two tops down and kept doing it a few times a day,and now they stay in that position by themselves. In the meantime, the lower branches have begun to catch up. I've been bending the highest ones down, and now I have 8+ equal tops in just 4-5 days since topping. I'll keep bending the highest tops until it's time to flip 'er, and then I'll let 'er rip. If one gets too far ahead though, I'll still bend it down even in bloom. I want as level a canopy on a plant as possible.

And here's the OHS today.

 

[Dutty Panty]

Gray once we meet in person if you come to cup I got ozs of docs kit with your name on it.

 

[Graytail]

You got it Dutty!

Once a week or so, I try to figure out how to move to a recreational or good medical State and retire with a nice Caregiver clientele. Colorado of course, but I like eastern Washington and the west side of the Cascades in Oregon, too. And there's always California ... dunno. It's too bad Florida weenied out. I spent Januarys there for several years.

I'm really tickled that the kit worked for you. The method was engineered for large outdoor gardens anyway - seemed ideal for a commercial-scale grower.

:fistbump:

 

[Engorage]

And what a leveled gorgeus canopy you got there. You think it would work on 12/12 from seed? So that Bh x BB got like that just by bending without the use of rope to fix the branch in place?

Another question. Do you still take cuts and let em sit on a cup with a bit of water and Roots! for a few days? Do you take them directly to soil or you go for some aero clonning device?

I´m also looking towards settling on Washington. If everything goes well I hope I can enter to WUnis at Seattle to get a graduate degree Anyway I´m a couple of years from there, so in the meantime I´m trying to emulate you seasoned growers to get quality produce.

Thank you a lot on your input Gray. And sorry for bombing you with questions

 

[Radogast]

Night Nurse sounds like just the ticket. I'd be very happy to get my hands on a seed .

BC Bud Depot is out of stock. Does anyone have an opinion on their CBD God?

 

[SmokeyMcFly]

Hurkle from TGA has helped us alot. It's 50/50 thc cbd and usually available.

 

[Bangabong]

I think that Panamanian is going to rock, although they all rebounded really well.

 

[Graytail]

And what a leveled gorgeus canopy you got there. You think it would work on 12/12 from seed? So that Bh x BB got like that just by bending without the use of rope to fix the branch in place?

Another question. Do you still take cuts and let em sit on a cup with a bit of water and Roots! for a few days? Do you take them directly to soil or you go for some aero clonning device?

I´m also looking towards settling on Washington. If everything goes well I hope I can enter to WUnis at Seattle to get a graduate degree Anyway I´m a couple of years from there, so in the meantime I´m trying to emulate you seasoned growers to get quality produce.

Thank you a lot on your input Gray. And sorry for bombing you with questions

I still haven't run anything 12/12 from seed yet, so I actually don't how that might go. DrZiggy does, but I don't think he's tried much training. You only get what, maybe 5 weeks of growth before they stop? I'm not sure there's enough time to grow a decent canopy.

I'm beginning to think my veg area is like haunted or something. Everything I vegged on my old desktop under the CFLs thrived, but when I moved them under the stair, everything went sour. Those cuts in cups with 3 week old roots circling the bottom just stopped happening. In the new area, I get decay on the submerged stems - fuzzy moldy growth. So I stopped that. Now I'm cloning straight into soil, but having a lousy success rate with that, too. Ima gonna have to build a small aerocloner, methinks. I'm sick of this crap.

And nope, no physical restraints were used in the subjugation of this BH x BB. I was surprised myself when I saw the difference in the pictures - just 4 days and she has a totally new shape. New growth is nice and bright, and the plant shows no sign of slowing down. Have you seen Duggan's method? He does the same thing with gentle? supercropping. I bend - he pinches. I have to do it a half dozen times - he's done the first time.

I think that Panamanian is going to rock, although they all rebounded really well.

Actually, the Panama is kinda disappointing. The others I grew had more of the vigor of this Tikal. It might be a different pheno, but I think she just doesn't have her legs under her yet, so to speak. This is an S1 of a purple Ace Panama pheno.

 

[SweetSue]

Have you seen Duggan's method? He does the same thing with gentle? supercropping. I bend - he pinches. I have to do it a half dozen times - he's done the first time.

This actually stopped me in my tracks. You're right. He IS gentle about it. Listen to him when he describes it. You can hear the love he has for the plants. Huh. Paradigm shift.

 

[DrZiggy]

I still haven't run anything 12/12 from seed yet, so I actually don't how that might go. DrZiggy does, but I don't think he's tried much training. You only get what, maybe 5 weeks of growth before they stop? I'm not sure there's enough time to grow a decent canopy.

I'm beginning to think my veg area is like haunted or something. Everything I vegged on my old desktop under the CFLs thrived, but when I moved them under the stair, everything went sour. Those cuts in cups with 3 week old roots circling the bottom just stopped happening. In the new area, I get decay on the submerged stems - fuzzy moldy growth. So I stopped that. Now I'm cloning straight into soil, but having a lousy success rate with that, too. Ima gonna have to build a small aerocloner, methinks. I'm sick of this crap.

And nope, no physical restraints were used in the subjugation of this BH x BB. I was surprised myself when I saw the difference in the pictures - just 4 days and she has a totally new shape. New growth is nice and bright, and the plant shows no sign of slowing down. Have you seen Duggan's method? He does the same thing with gentle? supercropping. I bend - he pinches. I have to do it a half dozen times - he's done the first time.



Actually, the Panama is kinda disappointing. The others I grew had more of the vigor of this Tikal. It might be a different pheno, but I think she just doesn't have her legs under her yet, so to speak. This is an S1 of a purple Ace Panama pheno.

Im actually growing 2 tents, 11/13 from seed. I Only trained the ACE plants when I entered uh oh mode and I ran out of tent

 

[Engorage]

I still haven't run anything 12/12 from seed yet, so I actually don't how that might go. DrZiggy does, but I don't think he's tried much training. You only get what, maybe 5 weeks of growth before they stop? I'm not sure there's enough time to grow a decent canopy.

I'm beginning to think my veg area is like haunted or something. Everything I vegged on my old desktop under the CFLs thrived, but when I moved them under the stair, everything went sour. Those cuts in cups with 3 week old roots circling the bottom just stopped happening. In the new area, I get decay on the submerged stems - fuzzy moldy growth. So I stopped that. Now I'm cloning straight into soil, but having a lousy success rate with that, too. Ima gonna have to build a small aerocloner, methinks. I'm sick of this crap.

And nope, no physical restraints were used in the subjugation of this BH x BB. I was surprised myself when I saw the difference in the pictures - just 4 days and she has a totally new shape. New growth is nice and bright, and the plant shows no sign of slowing down. Have you seen Duggan's method? He does the same thing with gentle? supercropping. I bend - he pinches. I have to do it a half dozen times - he's done the first time.

Got it! I will see what happens by trying this on 12/12 from seed. If it doesn´t go well I may start the next batch in Veg tent, though I think this could work.
I think I´m gonna go for an aerocloner too.
I will take a look at Duggan´s too. The more info and input I get makes it easier too look at the bigger picture.

Again many many thanks Gray!

 

[Dutty Panty]

I still haven't run anything 12/12 from seed yet, so I actually don't how that might go. DrZiggy does, but I don't think he's tried much training. You only get what, maybe 5 weeks of growth before they stop? I'm not sure there's enough time to grow a decent canopy.

I'm beginning to think my veg area is like haunted or something. Everything I vegged on my old desktop under the CFLs thrived, but when I moved them under the stair, everything went sour. Those cuts in cups with 3 week old roots circling the bottom just stopped happening. In the new area, I get decay on the submerged stems - fuzzy moldy growth. So I stopped that. Now I'm cloning straight into soil, but having a lousy success rate with that, too. Ima gonna have to build a small aerocloner, methinks. I'm sick of this crap.

And nope, no physical restraints were used in the subjugation of this BH x BB. I was surprised myself when I saw the difference in the pictures - just 4 days and she has a totally new shape. New growth is nice and bright, and the plant shows no sign of slowing down. Have you seen Duggan's method? He does the same thing with gentle? supercropping. I bend - he pinches. I have to do it a half dozen times - he's done the first time.



Actually, the Panama is kinda disappointing. The others I grew had more of the vigor of this Tikal. It might be a different pheno, but I think she just doesn't have her legs under her yet, so to speak. This is an S1 of a purple Ace Panama pheno.

Your haunting could be poor air flow.

 

[Kalimaki420]

All I can say I love my cloner, I got an 50€ 12x.
It´s just a little pump with a nozzle that spray and turns true the pressure.
Sure not the best but I have roots in 4-7 days and 14 days out of bloom.

 

[Major PITA]

Sorry to hear about your gremlins.
I wonder if there is something on your plants that is causing the fuzzy mold stuff on the clones? Some spores or something. Maybe a quick dip in h2o2 or mild bleach to sterilize before placing in the water. Do you bubble the water?

 

[Graytail]

Your haunting could be poor air flow.

Hmm ... I have a fan blowing across the top ... should be enough ...

All I can say I love my cloner, I got an 50€ 12x.
It´s just a little pump with a nozzle that spray and turns true the pressure.
Sure not the best but I have roots in 4-7 days and 14 days out of bloom.

Yup, I love the stiff white roots I see from cloners. My success rate has been abysmal. That picture of the 11 cuts in soil? A couple may survive - Bah!

Sorry to hear about your gremlins.
I wonder if there is something on your plants that is causing the fuzzy mold stuff on the clones? Some spores or something. Maybe a quick dip in h2o2 or mild bleach to sterilize before placing in the water. Do you bubble the water?

I may be able to blame it on my cups. I'll try another batch after bleaching the cups clean. I was really amazed when the first ones stayed healthy in water for so long. I bet they were brand new, unused cups - can't remember. I've never bubbled - no pump. If I get a pump, I'll make an aerocloner.

 

[Dutty Panty]

I'm assuming that the area your staircase may be in is damp ie: basement. Air across the top is very helpful but nothing beats consistent air flow constant fresh air. A fan may just be moving stagnant mold spore baring air around and around.

Does it get air exhausted out?
Is there intake?
What's the average humidity outside of area (staircase)

Pitas h202 is a great idea I add 5ml per gallon to my aerocloner (turbo kloner)

 

[Graytail]

I'm assuming that the area your staircase may be in is damp ie: basement. Air across the top is very helpful but nothing beats consistent air flow constant fresh air. A fan may just be moving stagnant mold spore baring air around and around.

Does it get air exhausted out?
Is there intake?
What's the average humidity outside of area (staircase)

Pitas h202 is a great idea I add 5ml per gallon to my aerocloner (turbo kloner)

I'm on the northern plains, so humidity is very low throughout the winter and into the spring - basically as long as it freezes at night. I'm sure low humidity has been part of it. But we're into spring now with 40% or so, and the cuts still aren't making it. I've been really careless about conditions - no humidity dome, etc, so it's not like it's a shocking surprise, but sheesh, I didn't have this problem a year ago. Both spaces are in the furnace room, which exhausts its air out the chimney. The under-stair area would have more stagnant air, though - the other space was in the open, on a desk top with lights hung over it. The new area is in the corner on the floor. I might have had a coldsink issue last fall, with pots directly on the concrete floor, but still, they have little feet molded into the pot, so it's not like a smartpot sitting on the bare concrete ... I'm a bit stumped. Until recently, even the successful seedlings in cups have been growing slowly without that great HB vigor.

It's probably just low humidity, now that I've put it down on paper, as it were. That would explain a lot. I want to eventually close off that space with a door and its own fan/exhaust. That'd let me keep RH at a decent level. Or I also have a 1 meter tent I'm going to set up for late veg. I could use the upper part of that for seedlings.

It's spooky how bad this current space is. It basically destroyed my perpetual.

What was that, Doc, about environment being important?

 

[Dutty Panty]

Environment is key. I think you have an issue that you know how to fix and you know what you need to do.

I'd seal it up asap best advice I can give. You will have a much better chance dialing it in after the changes.