Graytail Goes LED - 810W Intelligent-Gro II w/ High Brix

conradino23 said:
Curso, that's one of these things I've been pondering. If you can get that different brix reading from two various leaves from one plant where's the middle ground? You go for the lowest, the highest or you settle for between 13 and 22?
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Brix readings are funny things, that's for sure. In Gray's case he takes readings form the same location on the plant for the most part. He selects "similar leaves" for each and every reading. I haven't pulled out the refractometer in a while on my latest grow. Maybe I will later today.

If you want Brix readings to be a fair and accurate reading of how the plant is doing you should also take samples at the same time in the watering cycle as well as from a similar location. A recently watered plant has a lower brix than one that is on the verge of wilting from need for water. You also need to have a consistent method of taking the sample. If you do all those things brix readings give you a reasonable indicator of how the plant is hooked up in the soil.

Higher brix is an indicator that the plant's metabolism is firing on all cylinders - the plant is efficiently mobilizing all the mineral ions that it needs from the soil to make the most carbon energy it possibly can via photosynthesis - lots of sugars made by the sun, and lots of mineral cofactors available in the plant's sap.

Bad test results from bad sampling practices are just that - bad results. In Gray's case he replicates the test to the best of his abilities each time he takes a reading and his data is a cut above most of the other brix data I've seen posted.
 
Personally I couldn't care less about the brix readings, far too variable to be of great value IMO. I can see how it's good for comparing produce at markets etc. but for leaf material meh. I just look at everyone else's healthy plants and look for the characteristics that others have attained. I'll let the smoke and oil tell me the true brix in the end.
 
Hmm ... food for thought in that variety of responses. Thank you all. :cheesygrinsmiley:

I don't think it's a good idea though, to ignore brix readings if you're using soil additives and nutrients that were designed to promote high brix, especially when it's so easy to check. :straightface: As many of you point out, if what you want is to publicly produce high brix readings then yes, we have a problem. It's highly fudgeable. It can't be a competition. And that's standing in the way of understanding what we're up to.

I am simply telling you now, with a true and absolute testimonial, that it isn't about who grows the best cannabis, at least not for me. Doc Bud found the method and put the kit together, is all, and so far, there just isn't a simpler way to try for high brix, and we have more than a dozen growers here who are using his kit with pretty good results, so ... that's what that's all about.

But just to be sure my point isn't missed, it's this. If you get a legitimate reading of 16 and above from a plant, you have a different grade of cannabis. If you have some easier or more satisfying way of producing such amazing weed, I'm gonna grin right along with you, and I'll be pretty interested in how you got there. 'Cause my point is that you CAN measure it, very easily, and it's a nice thing to know. 18 brix smoke is something you have to try sometime. I'm telling you, it's not the same experience. It's almost as different from regular, good looking pot that I grow, as that is from ditchweed.

Dunno, now I'm sounding like an evangelist, aren't I. I just hadn't really thought about what I think is so special about some of my harvests, so I was musing and wrote it down. :cheesygrinsmiley: ... I may be a tad obsessed with brix readings ...

:Namaste:

[Edit] I just thought of a funny: Fudging your brix readings is kinda like cheating on an IQ test. :laughtwo:
 
What i can say is i checked once and got a 13. To me it was no biggie but made me happy nonetheless. Now when i look at my girls and they have a glow to em, i just know. My refractometer has been used more now on edible herbs than cannabis...ill keep it for that :)
The kit works, nuff said :)
 
Update:

I've been crazy busy, folks, so I missed my last update. I have pics, though, so I have some time now to post them.

Grapefruit is doing jus' fine. :cheesygrinsmiley: I was worried that it wouldn't recover from the fungicide treatment, or that its thick sticky buds would mold, but nope, she restarted and is looking good after all.

GF2 - 117 days old - 35 days 12/12 - 25 since pistils - brix 9/10
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The Utopia Hazes have also recovered and are back at the job. I've been watching for signs that this is the same pheno I had before, but it doesn't look promising. I'll know better in a few more weeks. Meanwhile, they continue to do what they're supposed to do - a little over seven weeks to go.

UH2 - 96 days old - 32 days 12/12 - 16 since pistils - brix 12/12
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UH1 - 86 days old - 24 days 12/12 - 10 since pistils - brix 12/12
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Good ol' Carnival continues to impress me. These plants weren't good going into flower, but they're really looking fine now. These pics are 6 days old and since then, they've gone all sparkly. :cheesygrinsmiley: I love this strain!

Carn4 - 88 days old - 17 days 12/12 - 7 since pistils - brix 9/10
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I'm still training Destroyer. I don't think my veg area is set up very well right now, so I'm getting erratic results. Destroyer is growing slower than I expected, although the LST would certainly disturb the previous apical hormone distribution, so it's not that big a deal. I'll get her clones established this week, and then I'll feel safe blooming her.

Destroyer - 63 days old - brix 12/12
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Buddha Haze looks great in this pic and even better today, all shiny and dark - very nice. But it definitely looks like one of those 15 foot hazes - fast growth, big leaves - so I'll have to start planning her training.

Buddha Haze - 42 days old
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The little ones:

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The cuts in water:
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Nexus and NepJam:
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thecanuck said:
What i can say is i checked once and got a 13. To me it was no biggie but made me happy nonetheless. Now when i look at my girls and they have a glow to em, i just know. My refractometer has been used more now on edible herbs than cannabis...ill keep it for that :)
The kit works, nuff said :)
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Hey bro! Ah...yes....the "Kit" !:bravo: Wonder ,just how many are out there now eh Canuck? It sure is touchy though ,sometimes talkin to us older guys....we don't like change and take some convincing,but once you try it....get some experience using all of it's parts...and what they actually are...and just what they do for the soil and the plant ,it's such a relief to not have to fck around because you 're just guessing...ya know?Cheers eh.:cheertwo: Oh ya and "that "glow" you mentioned...it's all i need to see!:blunt:
 
Gray! Nice selection ya got there! I wish i had the time and space for a sativa or two.Your Carn is over the top with resin already eh!The Destroyer has a nice lime greeness to it .Have you done that one before Gray? I know you said somewhere but....but....:smoke2:

My next two MK's are given me the creeps....i think i might have let them get tooooo big! I don't have a journal ....so....no pics! They've bin in the 10.5 gal rootbuiders,vegging for a few weeks now! Yikes! If i ever grew a sativa ...i'de have to dig my floor out!:laugh: Ive got two more G8 LED panels in my sites .Two of there 240 w. (bloom only) Just to go BIG ya know! That will give one side alot of extra pars. during flowering.Since i like to rotate them each 180 every day ,so they develope evenly...works...got them on big trollies eh.They are already wider than the door...woops.Well gotta go grab a Stella...no boys this weekend!:cheertwo:
Still took him to his last soccer match and first skating lesson this mornin...ramblin ,sorry!:peace:
 
What a fine site. Beautiful healthy plants. :thanks: Graytail for the update. Grapefruit looks particularly good. (That's my advanced design eye, that is. :laughtwo:) Preparing for my indoor, winter grow with LEDs and I'm learning so much from your journal. It's really appreciated.
:cheertwo::circle-of-love:
 
Looks awesome in here Graytail :) I thought your "brix rant" posts were really interesting so I repped you. I'm wondering what kind of brix my plants would give off >.< I've always been happy with my buds, but I'm always looking to do better too. I have a feeling the coming harvest, since I've used lots of organic additives/molasses, I might have a decent brix reading. Maybe not though.

You've successfully piqued my curiosity though ;) stay green, Gray! :passitleft:
 
Arriving fashionably late.. but just in time to see that utopian haze start filling out! What a cool looking strain. With stretchy sativas like dutch treat, blue dream, pretty much any haze, what is your usual method for training? Ive been playing around with different strains and training and I actually like to do a little bit of everything; topping, LST. I also supercropped a dutch treat last grow and it ended up being an excellent learning experience, with an awesome payout :cheesygrinsmiley:, so I'm interested to hear what you do, and when you do it!
 
Every strain, even the stretchiest can be LSTed and finished below 2-3" and I'm speaking from the experience :)
Gray will show ya hot to do it for sure :smokin2:
 
conradino23 said:
Every strain, even the stretchiest can be LSTed and finished below 2-3" and I'm speaking from the experience :)
Gray will show ya hot to do it for sure :smokin2:
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2-3 INCHES???! How in the bloody hell do you do that, grow the damn thing horizontally? :laughtwo:
If greytail doesn't mind, id like to see a picture of one you've grown like that, I'm a very visual learner :cheesygrinsmiley:

Cant wait for an update greytail!
 
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