Graytail Goes LED - 810W Intelligent-Gro II w/ High Brix

Hi Graytail. Just wanted to say sorry about your mould. I can tell you're not happy. :cheesygrinsmiley: But from how it all looks from over here, you've still got some tip top looking plants and cracking clones. :circle-of-love:
 
Thanks, guys! :thanks:

My dehumidifier pumps out a LOT of heat, so I'd be trading one problem for another if I tried to run it when it's been this warm. I have to treat the entire basement, 'cause that's the source of input air to the bloom room. It's been ugly, frankly - 75 degrees and 80+% humidity. But I've got it down into the 50s% now, and temps will be low enough to keep the dehu running when I need it. The mold is still there, just knocked way back for now. This summer has been demoralizing for me. It seems like everything pretty much went to pot ... as it were. :laughtwo:

I gotta save these Utopia Hazes. Without them, the whole perpetual gets set wayyy back.

We're both in the same boat I feel downtrodden too. After 5 or 6 grows with grey mold, taking every top cola I had and shorting my yields, and yet another blown super soil grow, my :xmas: stash (a.k.a. part of my perpetual grow) threw balls-a-mighty at me the other day every plant :( I squeezed in some short running Indica dominants today it'll save my hairy white a$$ from a weedless holidays. I'm shooting for ho ho ho and not bah humbug don't give up keep tryin'! :)
 
good luck GT, hope you can keep things perpetual

Hi Graytail. Just wanted to say sorry about your mould. I can tell you're not happy. :cheesygrinsmiley: But from how it all looks from over here, you've still got some tip top looking plants and cracking clones. :circle-of-love:

We're both in the same boat I feel downtrodden too. After 5 or 6 grows with grey mold, taking every top cola I had and shorting my yields, and yet another blown super soil grow, my :xmas: stash (a.k.a. part of my perpetual grow) threw balls-a-mighty at me the other day every plant :( I squeezed in some short running Indica dominants today it'll save my hairy white a$$ from a weedless holidays. I'm shooting for ho ho ho and not bah humbug don't give up keep tryin'! :)

Thank you, gentlemen. :Namaste:

That's the thing when you're working with creations that take 4 months to finish, especially when the buggers are alive n stuff. :straightface: And I only have a year under my belt so I'm vulnerable to dashed expectations. A guy produces some stunning buds a few times, and he starts to think it's normal. For a year I read about this mysterious and persistent problem people had with mold, feeling all safe and secure 'cause, heck, I hadn't seen a whiff of it, ever, around here. :cheesygrinsmiley: Surprise! :straightface:

So now I get to learn that part of indoor cannabis horticulture. The infestation is gone - still some spotting. I gave them a shot of a sulfur spray this time. We live, we learn. Twas ever thus, twill ever be. No doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. :cheesygrinsmiley:

:blunt:
 
man O man...the ups and downs of being a cannabis horticulturalist....can def be a bummer but only the strong GROW ON:)
:passitleft::passitleft:heres from me to you :passitleft::passitleft:

and heres to good vibes in the garden:blunt::blunt::allgood::allgood::passitleft::passitleft:

You maintain one of the highest level of quality grown herb one the MAG or internet for that matter.

Im sure you will and dont need any encouragement but we can all use some once in a while!!

Keep up the GREAT DAMN work!!:high-five:
 
I wanted to reply to this. :cheesygrinsmiley:

It's good to think about electrical safety issues kinda like lightning. It's hardly ever worth bothering about, but when it is, it's a great big deal. So you don't want to make things up to be scared about, but you also want to avoid golfing during thunderstorms, for instance, and fishing on a lake is a bad idea, etc.

That panel draws significant power, like non-extension cord kind of power, like toaster power. If you wanted to run your toaster for several hours on end, how would you approach powering it? Does that idea rattle you a bit?

So, you want to consider this sort of thing soberly. It will mainly depend on what else is on that circuit, which can be a pain the the azz. If it's just room lights and small stuff, you're fine. But you want to add up anything else 100+ watts or so. A household circuit is usually 15 amps (1800 watts) and safe for continuous use at 80% of that, which is 12 amps (1440 watts). Your panel draws 780 watts.

:Namaste:

[Edit] And for the readership in general: The problem with old iffy wiring is the rough places where it's bent or stretched or corroded. Those areas have a higher resistance to current and will heat up as it passes through. At a low draw it doesn't matter much, but as the power goes up the heat goes up and the metal wiring starts to get a little softer and any flaw gets a little worse, so it gets hotter and worse, and then ... if you're lucky, it just breaks with a little spark ... somewhere ...

So that's why we think soberly about higher current like several hundred watts. :Namaste:
I'm just getting caught up and saw this, thanks so much for such a nice, thought out response :) +reps... So does that mean I should add up every single thing that draws ~100 watts in the whole house? Or do you just mean in the same room as the 1600.... I really don't know anything about electronics..... That'll be a PITA for the whole house but I can do it haha.
Allright, time for the weekly update!

As is often the case, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that brix still sucks. The good news is that everything except the Carnivals look pretty good, especially the Utopias, and my whiteflies ain' happy. I'm sure the Bug&Pest annoyed the crap out of 'em and made it really hard to hatch eggs, but I wonder if the LED doesn't have something to do with it. Has anyone else noticed any bug-aversion to LED light? I doubt it's just the Intelligent-Gro. Anyway, my heat issues are ended for good, in fact I've been pondering the best way to raise temps now - can't get the room over 77 anymore, heheh. :thedoubletake:
I've actually noticed the exact same thing with whiteflies and LED's... I had a whitefly problem with an outdoor plant, brought it inside to grow in my shower for a while LOL, after a few days in there with my 240w LED the infestation was pretty much gone besides a couple stragglers. I didn't do anything so I was confused, but I noticed when I shook my plant, instead of coming back to the plant after a minute or two like usual, they bumbled around in the air aimlessly and one even flew into the toilet. My theory is the LED light blinds them LOL, which ought to make flying a total PITA, and once they take off they don't know where to come back! :rofl::rofl::rofl: but this is based on nothing besides a one time observation, a guess, and probably the fact that I'd so like it to be true hahaha. :passitleft: now back to getting caught up.
 
I'm just getting caught up and saw this, thanks so much for such a nice, thought out response :) +reps... So does that mean I should add up every single thing that draws ~100 watts in the whole house? Or do you just mean in the same room as the 1600.... I really don't know anything about electronics..... That'll be a PITA for the whole house but I can do it haha.

You only have to count up what's on that circuit. Most homes have at least 4 circuits, and those are the old homes - new ones have dozens. If you really want to do it right, find the fuse or breaker that runs your lights n stuff, and pull the fuse or flip the breaker. Then see what else is off. Those are all you have to worry about. :cheesygrinsmiley:

And my whiteflies are still listless under the Intelligent-Gro LED panel. They much prefer the veg room now under the MH and CFLs. :laughtwo:
 
I'm just getting caught up and saw this, thanks so much for such a nice, thought out response :) +reps... So does that mean I should add up every single thing that draws ~100 watts in the whole house? Or do you just mean in the same room as the 1600.... I really don't know anything about electronics..... That'll be a PITA for the whole house but I can do it haha.

I've actually noticed the exact same thing with whiteflies and LED's... I had a whitefly problem with an outdoor plant, brought it inside to grow in my shower for a while LOL, after a few days in there with my 240w LED the infestation was pretty much gone besides a couple stragglers. I didn't do anything so I was confused, but I noticed when I shook my plant, instead of coming back to the plant after a minute or two like usual, they bumbled around in the air aimlessly and one even flew into the toilet. My theory is the LED light blinds them LOL, which ought to make flying a total PITA, and once they take off they don't know where to come back! :rofl::rofl::rofl: but this is based on nothing besides a one time observation, a guess, and probably the fact that I'd so like it to be true hahaha. :passitleft: now back to getting caught up.

It would not surprise me one bit. I think I was on my way to going blind as well. My eyes were really bothering me after spending more then 10 min or so in the tent and it would be like I needed new glasses for an hour or so after being in there. Not to mention the headaches I was getting from it when I was in there for extended time. This was with no eye protection at all. I got a pair of the method 7 led glasses last night and it seems much better. I stayed in there for a while just to see how my eyes were after and zero problems! I have some pictures in my journal I took through the lenses so people could see the difference. Very happy with this purchase, just wish I would of done it sooner.

Very good points on overloading your electric. One other thing to pay attention to is the size of your extension cords. Make sure you get a thick enough gauge to support the amps your pulling for the distance your pulling it. The longer the distance the lower the gauge u need for the same amperage. In my old place I had to run 100' extension cords to a 1k watt hps and a space heater that was around 1500 watts plus fans and what not so I had to go all out and buy very low gauge cords (lower is bigger) that could handle it. The hps and heater both had dedicated cords and breakers and the rest of the equipment was on another cord/breaker in my pole barn. If your buying a good cord it will tell you what it can handle, if it doesn't say you probably should buy a better cord... Overloading any part of your electric is very bad and can obviously burn your house / garage / what ever down. Just remember your system is only as good as the weakest link so you need to pay attention to all parts when your pulling big power.

Keep up the good work GT!
 
I wanted to reply to this. :cheesygrinsmiley:

It's good to think about electrical safety issues kinda like lightning. It's hardly ever worth bothering about, but when it is, it's a great big deal. So you don't want to make things up to be scared about, but you also want to avoid golfing during thunderstorms, for instance, and fishing on a lake is a bad idea, etc.

That panel draws significant power, like non-extension cord kind of power, like toaster power. If you wanted to run your toaster for several hours on end, how would you approach powering it? Does that idea rattle you a bit?

So, you want to consider this sort of thing soberly. It will mainly depend on what else is on that circuit, which can be a pain the the azz. If it's just room lights and small stuff, you're fine. But you want to add up anything else 100+ watts or so. A household circuit is usually 15 amps (1800 watts) and safe for continuous use at 80% of that, which is 12 amps (1440 watts). Your panel draws 780 watts.

:Namaste:

[Edit] And for the readership in general: The problem with old iffy wiring is the rough places where it's bent or stretched or corroded. Those areas have a higher resistance to current and will heat up as it passes through. At a low draw it doesn't matter much, but as the power goes up the heat goes up and the metal wiring starts to get a little softer and any flaw gets a little worse, so it gets hotter and worse, and then ... if you're lucky, it just breaks with a little spark ... somewhere ...

So that's why we think soberly about higher current like several hundred watts. :Namaste:

You only have to count up what's on that circuit. Most homes have at least 4 circuits, and those are the old homes - new ones have dozens. If you really want to do it right, find the fuse or breaker that runs your lights n stuff, and pull the fuse or flip the breaker. Then see what else is off. Those are all you have to worry about. :cheesygrinsmiley:

And my whiteflies are still listless under the Intelligent-Gro LED panel. They much prefer the veg room now under the MH and CFLs. :laughtwo:

It would not surprise me one bit. I think I was on my way to going blind as well. My eyes were really bothering me after spending more then 10 min or so in the tent and it would be like I needed new glasses for an hour or so after being in there. Not to mention the headaches I was getting from it when I was in there for extended time. This was with no eye protection at all. I got a pair of the method 7 led glasses last night and it seems much better. I stayed in there for a while just to see how my eyes were after and zero problems! I have some pictures in my journal I took through the lenses so people could see the difference. Very happy with this purchase, just wish I would of done it sooner.

Very good points on overloading your electric. One other thing to pay attention to is the size of your extension cords. Make sure you get a thick enough gauge to support the amps your pulling for the distance your pulling it. The longer the distance the lower the gauge u need for the same amperage. In my old place I had to run 100' extension cords to a 1k watt hps and a space heater that was around 1500 watts plus fans and what not so I had to go all out and buy very low gauge cords (lower is bigger) that could handle it. The hps and heater both had dedicated cords and breakers and the rest of the equipment was on another cord/breaker in my pole barn. If your buying a good cord it will tell you what it can handle, if it doesn't say you probably should buy a better cord... Overloading any part of your electric is very bad and can obviously burn your house / garage / what ever down. Just remember your system is only as good as the weakest link so you need to pay attention to all parts when your pulling big power.

Keep up the good work GT!
Thank you both so much! +reps to both of you lifesaving good 420 Samaritans.
I certainly wouldn't want my electrical ignorance to mess up my grow or jah forbid start a fire >.<

Note to self. *Low Gauge* extension cords, and do a breaker check to find out what is on my grow room's circuit.

Thanks again! And by the way Graytail, you are Rocking this perpetual Intelligent Grow. :tommy: I love the detail and time you put into this, you definitely have made one of the most interesting journals to follow here IMO, keep it up~! :circle-of-love: :passitleft:
 
I second SoilGirl's comments on the 'leckky. Thank you so much, Graytail and SmokeyMcFly. For someone like me planning their first indoor grow, and who knows nothing about that magic stuff, electricity, that is invaluable advice. You're a couple of smoke alarms. :laughtwo:
:thanks::cheertwo::circle-of-love:
 
:thanks:

And don't forget that Duggan is a genuine honest-to-goodness electrician. We have chefs and chiropractors and agronomists n such hangin ' 'round Graytail's place.

Groovy, huh? :cheesygrinsmiley:

:Namaste:
 
:laughtwo: The bloom room still smells like neem oil and sulfur.

But the good news is that everyone has restarted pistil formation, even old Grapefruit. In fact, she's lookin' kinda purdy today at 31 days since pistil set - she's gonna produce some good smoke:

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Relaxed Lester got me thinking about brix readings and whether and how much it really matters. (Hi Lester!:rasta:) Doc has been working on this approach for a few years and 420 growers have been using the kit for a couple of years now. Oddly enough, most of them don't take brix readings. :cheesygrinsmiley: So it can be a bit confusing - if it isn't about brix readings, then what's it about?

Primarily it's about a reproducible method that will grow very good cannabis with higher than normal brix, meaning that the plant tissues contain more minerals and sugars than average. Just as in wine production and other crops, higher brix goes along with better produce, more resistant to infection and higher nutritional value. So High Brix is about producing "fortified" product.

I rarely have a chance to sample weed grown in hydro or in other soils, or any other method for that matter. :cheesygrinsmiley: So I can't tell you how the quality of my weed compares to anyone else's. But I can't think of a single case of a High Brix grower who thought hydro was in the same league as HB - many of them are skilled in both methods - and with a few exceptions, growers who've tried Doc's kit have stuck with it, so that's something. A lot of these people are damned good growers in any medium and they still prefer HB. My contribution is being able to personally say, "and it's really hard to screw up :cheesygrinsmiley: ".

But here's the clincher: Often a guy runs several plants from one seed. I take cuts and run one or two at a time for a few generations. I take weekly brix readings of all my plants, so I know how they've grown and I know how they read at harvest, so I can tell you something certain. There is a threshold of brix that alters the product. It becomes something different. I can smoke a strain that was harvested at 12 brix and get familiar with it. A couple months later I can then smoke a clone of the same strain that harvested at 14 brix, or vice versa. Both are very good, but not really different. But I can again smoke that same plant from a new clone that ran 16 brix and something starts to be obviously different - it's not something vague. The character of the smoke becomes richer and more refined. New terpenes explode up from some previously muted source - they're vivid and active, changing every few days as the more volatile ones decay. The point is that this doesn't happen in product that reads under 16 at harvest, and it DOES happen when it breaks 16. At 18 and higher it's ... "the real thing" is the best I can do to describe it. It's as if a window got washed and now you can actually see the details and the vivid colors.

So, that's what it's all about. Use any method you wish to get there, but you'll know what I mean when you do. It's in a different league. A lot of other brixsters will agree. It's not all that mysterious, it's just that I get a giggle out of what I grew. Doc Bud's kit can grow crazy good cannabis that has been proven by yours truly to set old experienced daily smokers back on their heels and wave off the next hit. When they come to, they usually want to know where I got it.

It's not seriously important how you get there. Peejay nailed it his own way, BID rocked it in his customs soils and mineralized coco mixes with readings over 20. Icemud has as good as soil as you could want. However you get there, you owe it to yourself to take a stab at it. Very high brix cannabis is amazing in every way.

Jus' sayin' ...

:Namaste:
 
Yeah, Gray. I'm really leaning towards getting a refractometer for my next year grow after reading everything you do with Doc's kit. Just for my own curiosity really to check what kind of brix my homemade mix and sun produces.
 
I am one of thos HB'ers that doesn't take readings. Here's why...I took them in the beginning of my kit experience and learned what to look for in plants over 13 brix. While I was doing that, people went crazy and loads of people bought a refratormetor. Well, lets just say that if you test unhealthy leaf you get incorrect readings. These people wouldn't take our word for it and 22 brix was born. At that time I stopped checking. Back then, if you looked at our 14 brix plant vs "22" brix, it was obvious, that 22 brix plant was kinda crusty and unhealthy(just calling it as it is). So I can't be bothered to test my plants any more or when I do, I don't share the results.
 
Curso, that's one of these things I've been pondering. If you can get that different brix reading from two various leaves from one plant where's the middle ground? You go for the lowest, the highest or you settle for between 13 and 22?
 
Curso, that's one of these things I've been pondering. If you can get that different brix reading from two various leaves from one plant where's the middle ground? You go for the lowest, the highest or you settle for between 13 and 22?

I wasn't the one that had a 22 brix plant bro. That plant was super unhealthy that got a 22 brix reading. Thus leave that person with a false sense of "I'm nailing it", when it was clearly not even in the same league as a true hb plant.
 
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