Grandpa's Second Try - Come Join Us!

[Van Stank]

Thank you for taking the time and effort that I know is much more difficult than anybody else for you. That detail helps me more than you can know. I want to use a sentence and thank everybody else for being as detailed as they are. All of you guys are great! Good to know that my hands are starting to get a little sensitive to her. I can tell you that after handling her my fingers already smell good. In answer to your next question, yes she is a photo and the strain is Shark Shock CBD.
As far as up-potting, we have some 1 gallon fabric pots, but I am afraid that if they are used, the roots will get stuck in the fabric and damage them. So, we went straight to the final pot with her. Since I'm a baseball guy, I'll say it makes me want to step into the batter's box and launch one over the fence

Gramps, I found out the hard way how difficult it can be to try to get your girl out of fabric pots to up pot. I ended up cutting my girls out of the one gallon pots. Lesson learned....but then I found a solution (besides the obvious of using plastic pots for the 1 gallon and then up pot to your final pot) and that is Geo-Pots. Geo-Pots have a version that has velcro sides. So instead of having to fight the roots and trying to pull your girl out of the regular fabric pot, you can use the Geo-pots and simply un-velcro it when it comes time to use it. Much better and much easier than fighting 1 gallon fabric pots. I even picked up some 3 gallon versions of the Geo-Pot that have the velcro sides. Now I will warn you, Geo-pots also has the fabric version that doesn't velcro, I would stay away from those unless its going to be your final size. Also for future grows, I would consider going to a bigger pot than 3 gallons since you are growing in organic soil. You roots, your plant and ultimately your buds will be bigger if you go up to 5, 7, or even 10 gallon pots. I know there might be some physical limitations with 10 gallon pots (I have a bad back and a fully watered 10 gallon pot is on the heavy side for me to bend over and pick up) so if you have anything that would prevent you from going bigger for final pot size, I certainly understand. But as they say...."More roots, more shoots, and more roots bigger shoots". Something to consider in future grows depending on what you end up pulling off of this grow.

 

[Eyes4grandpa]

Gramps, I found out the hard way how difficult it can be to try to get your girl out of fabric pots to up pot. I ended up cutting my girls out of the one gallon pots. Lesson learned....but then I found a solution (besides the obvious of using plastic pots for the 1 gallon and then up pot to your final pot) and that is Geo-Pots. Geo-Pots have a version that has velcro sides. So instead of having to fight the roots and trying to pull your girl out of the regular fabric pot, you can use the Geo-pots and simply un-velcro it when it comes time to use it. Much better and much easier than fighting 1 gallon fabric pots. I even picked up some 3 gallon versions of the Geo-Pot that have the velcro sides. Now I will warn you, Geo-pots also has the fabric version that doesn't velcro, I would stay away from those unless its going to be your final size. Also for future grows, I would consider going to a bigger pot than 3 gallons since you are growing in organic soil. You roots, your plant and ultimately your buds will be bigger if you go up to 5, 7, or even 10 gallon pots. I know there might be some physical limitations with 10 gallon pots (I have a bad back and a fully watered 10 gallon pot is on the heavy side for me to bend over and pick up) so if you have anything that would prevent you from going bigger for final pot size, I certainly understand. But as they say...."More roots, more shoots, and more roots bigger shoots". Something to consider in future grows depending on what you end up pulling off of this grow.

Those Geo pots sound very interesting and easy to use for up-potting. A very unique and well-designed idea. I was wondering though... Even with the velcro opening, some of the roots be caught in the fabric, and be damaged even with that type of an easy and gentle opening? I am not trying to be a pain, but the less challenges... The better! I'm still a raw newb YouTube this feeling as I go thing. :tongue-out:

Once again... An example of the perfect detail so that I can picture it in my head. Thanks a lot, VS!

 

[Van Stank]

Those Geo pots sound very interesting and easy to use for up-potting. A very unique and well-designed idea. I was wondering though... Even with the velcro opening, some of the roots be caught in the fabric, and be damaged even with that type of an easy and gentle opening? I am not trying to be a pain, but the less challenges... The better! I'm still a raw newb YouTube this feeling as I go thing. :tongue-out:

Once again... An example of the perfect detail so that I can picture it in my head. Thanks a lot, VS!

Yeah the roots could stick and the ends could be slightly damaged but certainly nothing that would ruin a healthy photo (bar any strains that might be extremely sensitive towards transplanting) plant. Might take a day or two longer to get comfy in their new home, but nothing serious. If you are wanting simple, I think plastic pots would be the simplest in terms of transplants and up-pots. These plants are really a lot hardier than we realize and can take more than we think.

 

[Eyes4grandpa]

Yeah the roots could stick and the ends could be slightly damaged but certainly nothing that would ruin a healthy photo (bar any strains that might be extremely sensitive towards transplanting) plant. Might take a day or two longer to get comfy in their new home, but nothing serious. If you are wanting simple, I think plastic pots would be the simplest in terms of transplants and up-pots. These plants are really a lot hardier than we realize and can take more than we think.

Then I guess I'll keep the fabric pots for final transplant. I will have to get two or three of the five gallon. I don't think we can do 7 or 10 gallon at all. Much too big for us. So... Cups to start, 1 gallon plastic or terra cotta pots, then final fabric pot. Thanks for all the help, VS.

 

[KingJoe83]

I just realized that this thread has now surpassed 1,000 posts. Wow! Never thought this little grow would get this much attention. How cool is this? Thank you so much, everyone! .

Your journal truly is inspiring I'm the luck one to be a part of this movement ..

 

[Eyes4grandpa]

Temp is 77° he looks like turning the one light off has given us an 8 degree or so swing.
rH is 29%. Back down into the twenties again... I have no clue why.

G2H...using the techniques you suggested, I knocked off more crispy stuff today. You're right, the leaves do feel more soft and flexible and smooth in toward the stem. The stem is starting to stiffen, and become more like a small little trunk. Feeling her, she seems to be a bit short to me for almost a month old. Maybe it's me, but that's my impression. I also pushed in a little on the sides of the pot to loosen the soil a little bit. It seemed quite difficult to push my finger down into it. The soil gets moist between the first and second knuckle of my index finger. I am figuring that there is plenty of water still, as the pot is still heavy as well. If anyone has any observations... You know what to do. :tongue-out:

 

[TheMadDabber]

Sounds like you've got it! I read an interesting post (Maybe van can remind me where) where it's said to not plant directly into kind soil itself. Well we are way beyond that now . So that leads me to believe that in the next week or 2 you will notice (feel see, whatever you want to call it) Jane really taking off as she settles into the Soil and smart pot. I would leave the second light off until flower. And hang a wet towel near jane but again don't sweat the humidity too much...

Glad to hear you had a wonderful weekend gramps

✌

 

[KingJoe83]

Ooooo play time with grandson, I love that.

It may be time to water her ... we will wait to see when the picture is posted

Also, KJ had a good idea about humidity for your little girl. I know you don't have a dome, but SweetSue uses clear bags to put around her clones when they are small to create humidity.

Now you're in a bigger pot, I wonder if it would be silly to ask you if you had a big transluscent bag that would go over the entire plant. Orrr, if you had a smaller clear bag to go over the plant it self?

In my desperate times I've even used a big ziploc bag that could kinda stand on it's own propped up around your girl.

I would just take that zip log bag and put a little bit of water in it and then seal it and make sure the water wets the inside of the ziploc and then open it over the sink and completely empty that bag and lightly shake it almost dry.

There should be some condensation or water coating the inside bag. Then I turned it upside down and created a tent over her. That was enough to help my little girl until she could find the bottom of my pot.

Again, if none of this applies to you please simply disregard. I just thought KJ brought up an important point, and your girl could use the help with hydration.

Enjoy your time, family comes first...

Haha Jesus I just learned about zip lock baggies around your little cups with clones babies in it.


Go to vex grows gramps he posed pictures I know you can't sorry .

But kelly? Then maybe she can do it?

I'll grab a link to save you time one sec

Vex's Vault - Dual RADDWC Veg & Bloom Chambers - Various Strains - Dual LED

Vex's Vault - Dual RADDWC Veg & Bloom Chambers - Various Strains - Dual LED

 

[Eyes4grandpa]

Sounds like you've got it! I read an interesting post (Maybe van can remind me where) where it's said to not plant directly into kind soil itself. Well we are way beyond that now . So that leads me to believe that in the next week or 2 you will notice (feel see, whatever you want to call it) Jane really taking off as she settles into the Soil and smart pot. I would leave the second light off until flower. And hang a wet towel near jane but again don't sweat the humidity too much...

Glad to hear you had a wonderful weekend gramps

✌

Thanks a lot for the well wishes! We already have a bowl full of water with a towel half way out of it. I'm wondering if we should add a second one. We did have two at one point but it never got much higher. I just don't understand how the same conditions can exist and we have a 20% or so difference. I'm not going to sweat it, but I would like to solve that little puzzle.

Soil is not Kind. It's from a place called Build-A-Soil. I apologize, but I don't remember the URL. I believe it is in this thread somewhere. I was assured by two different people there at two different times that this was a true seed to harvest soil. Water only is needed. No need to mix with anything else. I agree that the soil is probably a little hot for her at this point in her growth.
As for the light, I was just going to keep it off. But if you think it's best to turn it on for flour, then so be it. I think I do remember reading somewhere that during flower, temps should be a little on the high side and humidity on the low. If I remember that correctly, when would you, or anybody else for that matter, recommend that we do the flip? Is there a sign the plant will give you when it's time, or do we just keep going as long as we need to or can get away with? I know that's a complicated question to answer, but I would like to have a little bit of knowledge before that time comes. Thanks again, MD.

 

[Lady G2HM]

Thank you for taking the time and effort that I know is much more difficult than anybody else for you. That detail helps me more than you can know. I want to use a sentence and thank everybody else for being as detailed as they are. All of you guys are great! Good to know that my hands are starting to get a little sensitive to her. I can tell you that after handling her my fingers already smell good. In answer to your next question, yes she is a photo and the strain is Shark Shock CBD.
As far as up-potting, we have some 1 gallon fabric pots, but I am afraid that if they are used, the roots will get stuck in the fabric and damage them. So, we went straight to the final pot with her. Since I'm a baseball guy, I'll say it makes me want to step into the batter's box and launch one over the fence

For next time grandpa, not now, we can't disturb her as she searches for her edges. She has a longer way to travel that's all, she'll get there. To be honest, you could use a harder surface pot next time for your 1 gallon, as I too have heard of people cutting away fabric to up-pot. We have to keep expenses down as much as possible. That's why I say take your time to look for something cause we are always learning to improve.

Good job!

 

[Lady G2HM]

Thanks a lot for the well wishes! We already have a bowl full of water with a towel half way out of it. I'm wondering if we should add a second one. We did have two at one point but it never got much higher. I just don't understand how the same conditions can exist and we have a 20% or so difference. I'm not going to sweat it, but I would like to solve that little puzzle.

Soil is not Kind. It's from a place called Build-A-Soil. I apologize, but I don't remember the URL. I believe it is in this thread somewhere. I was assured by two different people there at two different times that this was a true seed to harvest soil. Water only is needed. No need to mix with anything else. I agree that the soil is probably a little hot for her at this point in her growth.
As for the light, I was just going to keep it off. But if you think it's best to turn it on for flour, then so be it. I think I do remember reading somewhere that during flower, temps should be a little on the high side and humidity on the low. If I remember that correctly, when would you, or anybody else for that matter, recommend that we do the flip? Is there a sign the plant will give you when it's time, or do we just keep going as long as we need to or can get away with? I know that's a complicated question to answer, but I would like to have a little bit of knowledge before that time comes. Thanks again, MD.

I'm hoping your flower sites will open up very much like the size of your tea cup. Where it's slimmer near the base of your flower, then the leaves open up much like the rim of your cup. That would be the size of a hockey puck, hopefully? Also, if you triple the length of your phone going up, that is approx. the size of a photo plant that is ready to flip, 18 inches is approx. goal.

But this estimation would be your goal, it doesn't always turn out that way, but that is how I visualize for you. Hope that helps Grandpa.

Not sure if that helps.

 

[TheMadDabber]

Well gramps I apologize for the confusion there .

You are half correct with regards to temperature and humidity. 70 to 85 for veg is ideal, and 65 to 80 for flower. Humidity ranges for veg are 50s and 60s AND the lower the better in flower.

I would reccomend flipping to flower a week after you up pot into your finishing container. You are planning to go to a 3 or 5 gallon, correct? I would suggest waiting until you have clear healthy robust growth and your plant is about half the size of your final desired harvest size. (If that makes sense).

Typically a plant needs roughly twice the lighting in flower that it does for veg. So I think 1 light for veg and 2 for flower should serve you well

 

[Lady G2HM]

Then I guess I'll keep the fabric pots for final transplant. I will have to get two or three of the five gallon. I don't think we can do 7 or 10 gallon at all. Much too big for us. So... Cups to start, 1 gallon plastic or terra cotta pots, then final fabric pot. Thanks for all the help, VS.

FYI, Another reason why I suggest using a harder 1 gallon pot before fabric is because I would love to show you another way the plants speak to us. When the plant is thirsty instead of lifting the pot, she actually pulls away from the edge of the pot. So I actually put my finger down there to check because I can't always see the edge, and I want the roots to tell me how she is. If my finger fits in between the pot and the soil, it's time to water. I'm unable to lift things so I had to find another way to communicate with my plants needs. Just something cool I learned...

 

[Lady G2HM]

Well gramps I apologize for the confusion there ..

You are half correct with regards to temperature and humidity. 70 to 85 for veg is ideal, and 65 to 80 for flower. Humidity ranges for veg are 50s and 60s AND the lower the better in flower.

I would reccomend flipping to flower a week after you up pot into your finishing container. You are planning to go to a 3 or 5 gallon, correct? I would suggest waiting until you have clear healthy robust growth and your plant is about half the size of your final desired harvest size. (If that makes sense).

Typically a plant needs roughly twice the lighting in flower that it does for veg. So I think 1 light for veg and 2 for flower should serve you well .

I may be confused please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Grandpa already in a 3 gallon?

Also great advice on flowering light requirements.

 

[KingJoe83]

FYI, Another reason why I suggest using a harder 1 gallon pot before fabric is because I would love to show you another way the plants speak to us. When the plant is thirsty instead of lifting the pot, she actually pulls away from the edge of the pot. So I actually put my finger down there to check because I can't always see the edge, and I want the roots to tell me how she is. If my finger fits in between the pot and the soil, it's time to water. I'm unable to lift things so I had to find another way to communicate with my plants needs. Just something cool I learned...

So your saying the plants will shoot onwards at its tips towards the main when thirsty sorry? Little confused ?

 

[Eyes4grandpa]

Haha Jesus I just learned about zip lock baggies around your little cups with clones babies in it.


Go to vex grows gramps he posed pictures I know you can't sorry .

But kelly? Then maybe she can do it?

I'll grab a link to save you time one sec

Vex's Vault - Dual RADDWC Veg & Bloom Chambers - Various Strains - Dual LED

Vex's Vault - Dual RADDWC Veg & Bloom Chambers - Various Strains - Dual LED

Thanks, KJ. That was very thoughtful of you. Unfortunately, my screen reader will not pick the link out of the rest of the post, so I cannot click on it. Regardless... That was quite thoughtful of you! I'll see what I can do to find that thread.

 

[KingJoe83]

Hmmm

 

[Eyes4grandpa]

For next time grandpa, not now, we can't disturb her as she searches for her edges. She has a longer way to travel that's all, she'll get there. To be honest, you could use a harder surface pot next time for your 1 gallon, as I too have heard of people cutting away fabric to up-pot. We have to keep expenses down as much as possible. That's why I say take your time to look for something cause we are always learning to improve.

Good job!

Yes, I would think it wouldn't be wise to disturb her now. Especially less than a week after transplant. I'm thinking Walmart plastic 1 gallon pots with their own trays. The least expensive and most efficient way to go, I believe.

 

[Eyes4grandpa]

I'm hoping your flower sites will open up very much like the size of your tea cup. Where it's slimmer near the base of your flower, then the leaves open up much like the rim of your cup. That would be the size of a hockey puck, hopefully? Also, if you triple the length of your phone going up, that is approx. the size of a photo plant that is ready to flip, 18 inches is approx. goal.

But this estimation would be your goal, it doesn't always turn out that way, but that is how I visualize for you. Hope that helps Grandpa.

Not sure if that helps.

It helps immensely. Now I can rather picture the flower sites as they start to form. I really cannot wait to be able to tell the sites by feel. It'll be a while, though.

 

[Eyes4grandpa]

Well gramps I apologize for the confusion there .

You are half correct with regards to temperature and humidity. 70 to 85 for veg is ideal, and 65 to 80 for flower. Humidity ranges for veg are 50s and 60s AND the lower the better in flower.

I would reccomend flipping to flower a week after you up pot into your finishing container. You are planning to go to a 3 or 5 gallon, correct? I would suggest waiting until you have clear healthy robust growth and your plant is about half the size of your final desired harvest size. (If that makes sense).

Typically a plant needs roughly twice the lighting in flower that it does for veg. So I think 1 light for veg and 2 for flower should serve you well

Thanks for those temperature and humidity details, MD. Being able to find them right here on the thread is so much easier for reference purposes. We are already in the final 3 gallon pot, though. Between the recommendations of the you and G2H, I think I have a pretty good idea. Obviously, as it gets closer to flower, I will be posting pics and asking about the timing. But I have a great bass line now thanks to you two. It's also good to know that I made a good call on the light.