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[Goldengoose7]

Whats that ratio again? milk/water

You don't have to be super precise with it. I have been doing a 1 to 4 ratio of non-fat milk to water.

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[Goldengoose7]

looking great mate, cant wait to see how the colour changes, going to be some contest quality plants and buds,

Thanks DP!

I'm starting to think that the Purple Rhino might end up being the star of the show this season. If it turns out nice, I might just enter it into a POTM and BOTM and see how it does.

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[jandre2k3]

Hey Man!

I would definitely wait until the buds and surrounding leaves have all gone nearly solid purple. Purple tips on older fan leaves is just the beginning phase of the color change. The usual harvest time for the genuine GDP that I grow is 8 weeks, but as I mentioned previously, if you let them go out to 9-10 weeks, you will get a more mellow effect with more CBDs. Not to mention, really deep purple flower tops!

I never thought I'd be saying this to you.... but when you let cannabis go more amber, the degraded THC is not CBD, rather it's CBN... There can be a higher ratio of CBD to THC, but this does not raise the CBD by letting it go longer. In fact, it remains almost the same level in the plant. The CBN can magnify the sedative effect of CBD, but it is not a higher level at all. It is simply the "couchlock" of amber (CBN) adding to the CBD that may already be present.

There was a rather confusing report out a while back, that said the CBD is in higher ratio: but what they failed to clarify was that the actual level did not raise, but that the ratio is only in relation to the THC after it had degraded to CBN... in relation to harvesting earlier and having a higher percentage of THC, that had not degraded. They did say that in a rather roundabout way, but for some reason, did not make it clear on the first read through. I actually had to read that report three times for it to become clear to me what was actually happening.

 

[Goldengoose7]

I never thought I'd be saying this to you.... but when you let cannabis go more amber, the degraded THC is not CBD, rather it's CBN... There can be a higher ratio of CBD to THC, but this does not raise the CBD by letting it go longer. In fact, it remains almost the same level in the plant. The CBN can magnify the sedative effect of CBD, but it is not a higher level at all. It is simply the "couchlock" of amber (CBN) adding to the CBD that may already be present.

There was a rather confusing report out a while back, that said the CBD is in higher ratio: but what they failed to clarify was that the actual level did not raise, but that the ratio is only in relation to the THC after it had degraded to CBN... in relation to harvesting earlier and having a higher percentage of THC, that had not degraded. They did say that in a rather roundabout way, but for some reason, did not make it clear on the first read through. I actually had to read that report three times for it to become clear to me what was actually happening.

Thanks for the info! There does seem to be a lot of confusion out there about this. I'm not really that concerned with the literal numbers of the various cannibanoids in a particular plant or strain. Instead, I am after a particular medicinal effect/result from using it.

If letting a plant go longer doesn't literally increase the CBD concentration, then it must be this increase of CBN you mentioned that I am noticing in the plants that were left to mature longer. The difference is very real and very noticeable, at least with the GDP and the BBK that I did this with last season.

I'm not a big fan of high THC strains. Too much THC gives me that uncomfortable/edgy feeling that I don't care for at all. I know that some people prefer that kind of buzz, but I much prefer the more mellow effects I get when I let the plants produce a lot of amber trichomes. One of my primary uses for my bud is for relief from anxiety, so the last thing I want is a high THC strain that can actually bring on an anxiety attack! I've been there many times in the past with a new strain from a friend or at a party, and it is no fun!

I would imagine that the more degraded THC you end up with, the less actual THC is left to produce those effects I don't like?

In any case, I personally prefer bud that has a better balance. This is why I am growing Harlequin this year, in the hope that this strain can produce the effects I prefer as part of the strain's normal development. Something that doesn't require as much attention and time to get the results I prefer.

Speaking of which...

One of the lower branches on Harlequin #1 got snapped off today while I was watering, so I trimmed down the bud on that branch and am now hang drying it to test the effects at what is now about week #6 of their flower cycle. I was planning to do this anyway since I have no prior experience with this strain, so I need to discover at what point I should harvest them.

They are mostly cloudy now with no amber, but since Harlequin is supposed to be a very high CBD strain with a lower than average THC content, it could very well be the ideal time to harvest them right now. At the moment, I have no idea.

I will post my results here in the journal as soon as this test bud is dried enough to smoke some and see what the medicinal effects are.

 

[jandre2k3]

The sedative effect will be more pronounced with the high CBD strain, so yes, I would try a bud al 100% cloudy first, then asses from there if you need to let it amber and about how much. Good thoughts, all.

 

[gittergreen]

So if yah want to get stoned let em turn amber and if yah wanna get high pullem cloudy?
That means whether its cbd or cbn by letting them turn amber it is responsible for the desired effects that people with anxiety are trying to acheive. huh that seems simple enough. Thanks Goose!

 

[jandre2k3]

So if yah want to get stoned let em turn amber and if yah wanna get high pullem cloudy?
That means whether its cbd or cbn by letting them turn amber it is responsible for the desired effects that people with anxiety are trying to acheive. huh that seems simple enough. Thanks Goose!

I actually have the opposite experience. With my sativas, I pull them at 1%-10% amber and have never experienced the paranoid panic others have reported. And here's the weird one... neither did any of the other anxiety patients that tried the Lamb's Bread strain. It wasn't much, but I suggested it to some other anxiety patients, and they came back the next day to report that they will be needing a LOT more of it. Well, I can't grow a LOT, LOL! But it seems I wasn't the only one... maybe it is the strain... but then again the Green Fluffy Bunnies was the same way. I dunno... Maybe it is because I grow it specifically for anxiety, and in the case of the GFB, for anxiety and migraines. Maybe the plants know and grow like I want them to.

 

[gittergreen]

That is a mystery maybe its strain, specific maybe it depends on the individual as well. Im no scientist by far but surely each individual has different sized cannabinoid receptors. Environment can also dictate how meds can effect each person with anxiety. This is an example
The other day a friend came over and smoked a blunt with me it was very strong, I had a good day that day I got really high I felt great.
My friend had a bad day he started to get very nervous. I was shocked because his tolerance is through the roof
I made a few jokes and started talking about going fishing and everything was ok with him. That took him to some where he felt good. He calmed down after that. Well the next evening he came over and we packed my bong I took one big rip and wow it came on strong
I was fubared next thing you know Im in a full blown anxiety attack wow Im mean fearing for my life type feeling. I mean the night before I smoked a whole blunt of that stuff and I was fine. the only thing different was that me and my wife were arguing pretty bad that day!
So whats my point? VARIABLES! You know at one time zoloft worked for me but not my wife. cetalapram works for her.
I have said this before just recently Thats what make this medicine so great if you find a strain that works for ya by all means keep it around and tweak the amber/cloudy ratio to your individual liking make mental notes of what kind of day you had and medicate accordingly or not.

 

[Goldengoose7]

No doubt that everyone reacts to this stuff a little differently. I gave some of my various strains to a neighbor who just got an MMJ card and his favorites were the high THC varieties that I personally find too speedy. He says that these strains give him a nice relaxing effect which is just the opposite of what they do to me! Worked out well though cause now I can get rid of those buds to free up some curing jars for this upcoming harvest!

All of my strains are Indica, so they are already predisposed to be less speedy than the typical Sativa varieties, but I still find most of them to be a little too strong for me in the THC department if I harvest them earlier than at least 8 weeks, before they have that magic 25% amber trichome ratio.

I guess it all boils down to what works for you.

I'm going to survey everything again today with my Loupe and see if any of the plants are starting to produce amber trichomes. I've found that this process can happen relatively quickly, so at this point, I need to be checking everything several times a week now.

The only ones I don't need to monitor so closely right now is the GDP, cause I know that they are far from being ready to chop as long as they remain green without a lot of purple leaves and buds.

 

[gittergreen]

I would love to be your neighbor!

 

[Goldengoose7]

I actually have the opposite experience. With my sativas, I pull them at 1%-10% amber and have never experienced the paranoid panic others have reported. And here's the weird one... neither did any of the other anxiety patients that tried the Lamb's Bread strain. It wasn't much, but I suggested it to some other anxiety patients, and they came back the next day to report that they will be needing a LOT more of it. Well, I can't grow a LOT, LOL! But it seems I wasn't the only one... maybe it is the strain... but then again the Green Fluffy Bunnies was the same way. I dunno... Maybe it is because I grow it specifically for anxiety, and in the case of the GFB, for anxiety and migraines. Maybe the plants know and grow like I want them to.

Thats interesting that you are using Sativa strains for anxiety. I always associate Sativa strains with a super speedy, intense buzz. Just the kind of effect that will trigger an anxiety attack with me. As I mentioned... Even my much more mellow Indica strains will trigger heart palpitations and other unpleasant side effects if I harvest them too early before some of their THC is allowed to degrade.

Definitely more evidence of how much the effects of Cannabis can vary dramatically from person to person.

 

[Truth Seeker]

I am about to harvest my California Dream, which is Sativa dominant, I am not much of a sativa fan, but to work on this site, I can't just be sleeping or stuck on the couch all the time!

But anyways, on her, she is pretty amber already and she has been in flower about 6 weeks as well. It's supposed to have a lower THC than CBD as well. Does that mean I should think about a flush and cut for her?

 

[jandre2k3]

I am about to harvest my California Dream, which is Sativa dominant, I am not much of a sativa fan, but to work on this site, I can't just be sleeping or stuck on the couch all the time!

But anyways, on her, she is pretty amber already and she has been in flower about 6 weeks as well. It's supposed to have a lower THC than CBD as well. Does that mean I should think about a flush and cut for her?

If you've got receded pistils, and amber showing already, I would say either she dehydrated at some point, or she's done... I had a plant that finished in 44 days, and all the info I had said that she would be about 55 days to harvest. So it is possible that she rushed things a bit and finished early...

 

[Goldengoose7]

I am about to harvest my California Dream, which is Sativa dominant, I am not much of a sativa fan, but to work on this site, I can't just be sleeping or stuck on the couch all the time!

But anyways, on her, she is pretty amber already and she has been in flower about 6 weeks as well. It's supposed to have a lower THC than CBD as well. Does that mean I should think about a flush and cut for her?

I agree with Jandre.

If you are unfamiliar with this strain, you could take a sample bud and quick dry it to test the effects. Thats what I just did with my Harlequin. Also... If you haven't flushed it yet, it would be a good idea to give it a Clearex flush and then follow up with plain water for at least a week. I know that you use a lot of various nutes with your grows, so I would advise against chopping it before you have flushed it at least a little bit first.

Based on the overall state of the trichomes on all my outdoor plants, I decided to give them one more feed of Tiger Bloom this morning and will start with the Molasses flushes a week from tomorrow, followed by a good Clearex flush heading into the final week or two before harvest time.

 

[Goldengoose7]

GDP Seed Project
Photo Update

I thought this would be a good time to post a photo update of my fertilized GDP plant which is growing nicely in our bathtub grow space. As I mentioned a few posts back, the plant is definitely got some Spider Mite issues, but since I am only interested in the seeds from this plant, I haven't bothered to try to eliminate the mites. This plant has also had some Powdery Mildew issues which I have irradicated using my Milk/Water solution in a spray bottle.

So... Here are the latest images starting with a full view of the plant. You will notice that the plant has kind of an odd shape to it which was primarily caused by the extended reveg issues that all of my GDP clones suffered with this spring. Fortunately, once they got into full veg mode, I was able to get them into flower normally without any mutant buds or fan leaves.

Bud close-ups
See if you can spot the seeds in these shots!

This plant will hit the 8 week mark on September 20th, and I am planning to chop it on that date. My plan is to dry these buds to the point of crumble, so I can simply crush the buds and release the seeds easily.

Hope you enjoyed this latest update! My next photo update will be of the two fertilized Harlequin miniatures that I chopped yesterday and are currently hang drying in my drying closet.

Stay tuned and thanks for looking!

 

[jandre2k3]

Wait a minute, now... You're calling it off for a while after this harvest, but you've made all this seed... You plannin' on archiving those away for an apocalypse?

They're lookin' really good though. it get cold in your bathroom?

 

[Goldengoose7]

Wait a minute, now... You're calling it off for a while after this harvest, but you've made all this seed... You plannin' on archiving those away for an apocalypse?

They're lookin' really good though. it get cold in your bathroom?

Yep!

We have forced air here at the house and after the lights go off in the bathroom, it gets down to about 58 degrees in there until the AC shuts down at around 9PM. That is one of the upsides to these long hot days we have been having up here. It has been taking till well after sundown for the outside temps to fall low enough for the AC to shut down, so that plant is getting at least 2 hours of frigid air every night after the lights go off in there at 7PM.

As for the seeds.... Since I am not going to be overwintering any clones this year and will loose my GDP strain as a result, I wanted to try to preserve this strain as best I could. The Purple Rhino wasn't my first choice for a male plant though. I would have preferred a Harlequin male, but as you know, all four of the Harlequin seedlings turned out to be female, so the only male plants I had were PRs.

Ideally, I would have loved to cross my GDP with my Blue Cheese, but my BC has been clone only for the last two years now. I still kick myself that I chopped the BC males without collecting any pollen from them! These were the original seedlings that grew out of that original BC crop that I planted with 6 Medicinal Organic Nursery Blue Cheese seeds. I ended up with 5 males and only the one female that went on to provide all of this cloned BC you have seen me growing.

A GDP/Blue Cheese cross would have been awesome! Hopefully, this GDPR stuff turns out some decent plants that favor the GDP female more than the PR male.

Who knows! By the time spring comes around again, I might be temped to plant a few of these seeds just to see what kind of plant I get from this cross.

 

[Goldengoose7]

Harlequin/Purple Rhino Seed Project Final
Harvesting the Seeds!

The two mini Harlequins have been drying in my drying closet for the last several days. I noticed that seeds were starting to fall out of the hanging buds, so I decided to go ahead and extract the seeds from the buds.

Here are the photos...

The two mini plants after trimming, with two fallen seeds.

The buds are stuffed with seeds!

The yield...

There are a few green seeds that came out of the inner portions of the buds. I hung the buds back up to get the remainder of the seeds out after they have dried further.

I didn't count them, but the yield from these two tiny plants was impressive! I can only imagine how many seeds I am going to get from the GDP female that was fertilized by the larger PR male. It will be interesting to see what kind of plants grow out of these crosses.

 

[Goldengoose7]

Harlequin Test Bud

I'm still drying this bud in a curing jar, but here is a photo of the drying bud. I'm going to let this cure for another few days before I test smoke it to see what kind of effect it produces.

 

[gittergreen]

Those seeds look excellent! Goldengoose7! I cant help but think you might regret ending GDP genetics.
Can you still get clones from Ken or was that just a once in a lifetime deal? Remind this burnout I cant remember.