Fresh Harvest Infused Cannabis Oil

[weenmeoff]

Glad it's finally working for you mag! That is one nice looking crop!

 

[Mag7]

Glad it's finally working for you mag! That is one nice looking crop!

Thanks Ween!! I'm pretty proud of it right now ..

 

[SweetSue]

There ya go 7. I think you just needed to find the dose for you. It's probably four of those capsules. Lol!

 

[KingstonRabbi]

Took 5 number 3 capsules today. Forgot all about it. This was my first batch. Then it hit me, and hit me hard. I was fucked up for about 2 hours or so. Seems it needed a few days to get right. Or I was in my head about it.

I'm happy I have some that's working for me. I'll try my other batch tomorrow. .

Okay, it makes more sense to me now that I see you're using #3 capsules. I was assuming #00 like I use. Even Sue wouldn't take 5 of those at once!
4 of your caps sounds about right for your strength of FHO. That's about 4/3 volume at half strength of my oil, equivalent to 2/3 of a #00 capsule of my best FHO that had me flying for hours and still felt tingles next morning. Glad you got it working for you.

Here's a chart of volumes for each size capsule (data pulled from company's website):

 

[Mag7]

Okay, it makes more sense to me now that I see you're using #3 capsules. I was assuming #00 like I use. Even Sue wouldn't take 5 of those at once!
4 of your caps sounds about right for your strength of FHO. That's about 4/3 volume at half strength of my oil, equivalent to 2/3 of a #00 capsule of my best FHO that had me flying for hours and still felt tingles next morning. Glad you got it working for you.

Here's a chart of volumes for each size capsule (data pulled from company's website):

Thank rabbi, I've pretty much gone to my "0" for now. I have a lot and will use those up for now. 2 is about right for now and I think I'll be good for some time. Sorry it took me so time to reply, I just now saw this.

 

[Randoobula]

I made FHO again with this last harvest. Although I'm a YUGE fan of FHO, I'm perplexed by the horrible recovery rate of the oil from plant material. It was much better with smaller batches in the 200 wet gram range. This batch was 400 grams/ 500 ml.

Of the 500 ml, I recovered only 325 ml. That, after pressing material in a heavy duty coffee press, steeping cheese clothe balls of material in boiled water squeezing out all I could, and then cooling and heating to separate oil from water. I'll be having it tested and one thing I'll be looking for is CBN. I'm afraid that if full decarb is achieved in the cooking, that further heat to separate out oil will turn to much of the THC.

What I've come up with is that the lecithin inhibits the separation of oil/water by making the oil thicker and less mobile to gather itself together and move up thru the water.

I also found that I added the lecithin later in the process and didn't get the foaming action I had the first several batches. Next batch I will leave out the lecithin altogether in the cooking process and will re-heat and add it later after straining. I'm confident that extraction and separation will be much more productive this way.

I need all the oil I can recover. I have a growing list of people in need of medicine. Considering an FHO extraction rate of 65% compared to oil extraction rate making FECO of 85%, I have to get this figured out or I'm back to 100% grain alcohol extraction and formulate my oils using FECO, CBD isolate, and added terpenes to replace what's lost in process.

The CBD and terpene formulation is going well BTW. Im early in the testing and waiting for response from those also testing it, but from what I'm seeing, it's doing a much better job for my back pain than anything thus far. I know for sure it will be great for insomnia, as the oil with added sleepy terpenes has me counting sheep with my eyes open... barely, but open!!

 

[OldMedUser]

So many pages have gone by since I've been able to get on here. Not sure if 420 is more compatible with TOR or TOR has fixed a bug in the last upgrade but I'm here, not queer so get over it boyz!

Was off to BC for another 5 weeks and scored more grow gear to get more pot to experiment with. I still have a wet pound or so of good sugar trim in the freezer from the last crop to try out FHO. This last batch of regular cocobudder blows me away.

I used 30g of older, well-cured bud to make a 250ml batch and it has laid waste to better men than me.

There's about 7 different strains in it so all bases are covered except CBD which has to be very low but should be high in CBN which isn't saying a lot. Sleep a good 8 hours after a dose so it does have it's positive value for sure.

 

[AKgramma]

Was off to BC for another 5 weeks and scored more grow gear to get more pot to experiment with. I still have a wet pound or so of good sugar trim in the freezer from the last crop to try out FHO. This last batch of regular cocobudder blows me away.

I used 30g of older, well-cured bud to make a 250ml batch and it has laid waste to better men than me.

There's about 7 different strains in it so all bases are covered except CBD which has to be very low but should be high in CBN which isn't saying a lot. Sleep a good 8 hours after a dose so it does have it's positive value for sure.

A lot like I do. Waste not, want not. There comes a point where you need to use your old stock, and mixing it up is a good way to balance out the effects.

 

[Kriaze]

We're there any test results ever posted back for the FHO? I've just caught up after being away awhile (stoned on oil mainly) and wondered whether anything conclusive was found. I've got a tcheck here and my CCO measures 'over' even diluted with Coconut Oil at a 5:1 ratio, whereas the FHO (bear in mind I have only made the one batch) measures in at 11.3 - 11.6mg per ml. I'm not sure where that stands in the nature of things but I definitely get different effects from the different types of oil that I'm trying. Is my Olive Oil dilution ratio too steep do you think? I personally don't mind necking a few capsules in a day and feeling great with the odd dizzy moment (think trip, talking to God style), but I have friends that are looking for medicine that helps them and they're of the train of thought that a couple of drops two or three times a day is the way to go.

Any advice is welcome, and if someone could help me aim for a correct mg to ml ratio I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance for any replies, may your buds be forever bountiful

 

[Chris Scorpio]

We're there any test results ever posted back for the FHO? I've just caught up after being away awhile (stoned on oil mainly) and wondered whether anything conclusive was found. I've got a tcheck here and my CCO measures 'over' even diluted with Coconut Oil at a 5:1 ratio, whereas the FHO (bear in mind I have only made the one batch) measures in at 11.3 - 11.6mg per ml. I'm not sure where that stands in the nature of things but I definitely get different effects from the different types of oil that I'm trying. Is my Olive Oil dilution ratio too steep do you think? I personally don't mind necking a few capsules in a day and feeling great with the odd dizzy moment (think trip, talking to God style), but I have friends that are looking for medicine that helps them and they're of the train of thought that a couple of drops two or three times a day is the way to go.

Any advice is welcome, and if someone could help me aim for a correct mg to ml ratio I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance for any replies, may your buds be forever bountiful

Did u update yer tcheck... They have a new system update for it

 

[Kriaze]

Did u update yer tcheck... They have a new system update for it

Yes I updated it as soon as I received it today, I'm looking for what would be the 'correct' amount of THC to be in the oil though as I read a lot of different amounts all over the web and also some bottles of full spectrum oil that my friend bought stated 5% THC whereas others I have seen state 1000mg on the bottle, it all seems very confusing. Should I consider my oil as weak at 11.3-11.6mg of THC per ml? As by my working out that would be only just over 1% THC.

 

[SweetSue]

We're there any test results ever posted back for the FHO? I've just caught up after being away awhile (stoned on oil mainly) and wondered whether anything conclusive was found. I've got a tcheck here and my CCO measures 'over' even diluted with Coconut Oil at a 5:1 ratio, whereas the FHO (bear in mind I have only made the one batch) measures in at 11.3 - 11.6mg per ml. I'm not sure where that stands in the nature of things but I definitely get different effects from the different types of oil that I'm trying. Is my Olive Oil dilution ratio too steep do you think? I personally don't mind necking a few capsules in a day and feeling great with the odd dizzy moment (think trip, talking to God style), but I have friends that are looking for medicine that helps them and they're of the train of thought that a couple of drops two or three times a day is the way to go.

Any advice is welcome, and if someone could help me aim for a correct mg to ml ratio I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance for any replies, may your buds be forever bountiful

My FHO made from th CBD Critical Cure only comes in with an estimated 13 mg of THC and 20 mg of CBD/ml, and I can't take more than one at a time if I intend to do more than be dreamy and happy for a few hours. That's made with 350 gr wet plant material and 437.5 ml of EVVO.

CCO is straight essential oil. It's always going to pack a harder punch. The FHO is something special we don't understand yet, and we can't go strictly by the cannabinoid count. There's much more going on with the FHO. Your cannabinoid load is a good starting point for your friends, IMO. I'd shoot for 4-5 doses a day instead of 1-2. Cannabinoids only circulate through the system for a short time, and you want a constant presence. Micro dosing over multiple times a day will achieve this more effectively.

Try starting with a 1ml dose in the morning and build from there until the dosing times are set, and then begin ticking up the dose volumes until they hit the sweet spot. That's one step back from the dose they can't tolerate comfortably.

Keep in mind that absorbtion is determined by gut health. As the therapy continues one should anticipate the gut will be healing as well, so anticipate a time when doses may need to be adjusted down. It's all trial and error.

 

[SweetSue]

I made FHO again with this last harvest. Although I'm a YUGE fan of FHO, I'm perplexed by the horrible recovery rate of the oil from plant material. It was much better with smaller batches in the 200 wet gram range. This batch was 400 grams/ 500 ml.

Of the 500 ml, I recovered only 325 ml. That, after pressing material in a heavy duty coffee press, steeping cheese clothe balls of material in boiled water squeezing out all I could, and then cooling and heating to separate oil from water. I'll be having it tested and one thing I'll be looking for is CBN. I'm afraid that if full decarb is achieved in the cooking, that further heat to separate out oil will turn to much of the THC.

What I've come up with is that the lecithin inhibits the separation of oil/water by making the oil thicker and less mobile to gather itself together and move up thru the water.

I also found that I added the lecithin later in the process and didn't get the foaming action I had the first several batches. Next batch I will leave out the lecithin altogether in the cooking process and will re-heat and add it later after straining. I'm confident that extraction and separation will be much more productive this way.

I need all the oil I can recover. I have a growing list of people in need of medicine. Considering an FHO extraction rate of 65% compared to oil extraction rate making FECO of 85%, I have to get this figured out or I'm back to 100% grain alcohol extraction and formulate my oils using FECO, CBD isolate, and added terpenes to replace what's lost in process.

The CBD and terpene formulation is going well BTW. Im early in the testing and waiting for response from those also testing it, but from what I'm seeing, it's doing a much better job for my back pain than anything thus far. I know for sure it will be great for insomnia, as the oil with added sleepy terpenes has me counting sheep with my eyes open... barely, but open!!

I'm excited about what you'll be reporting in the future about adding terpenes to the formulations. This is the next big step for us.

It occurs to me that, given the funds to procure a decent supply of terpenes, it'd be easier to make oil any way you found easiest for you and add in the missing terpenes, or the ones you desired to have as additional components to the entourage effect. Barring that, this is our best find so far for retaining the terps in an oil.

I've started holding the lecithin out until I've strained the oil. It may be the lecithin binding the oil to the plant material Randy. I hadn't considered that until just now. We'd figured out already that it's the lecithin that causes the foaming.

Note: don't add lecithin until the oil is done and strained.

And hey.... Don't put that much pressure on yourself. Life is meant to be fun. It's supposed to feel good. That applies to this too. If you begin to feel like you won't be able to keep up with demand I suggest you rethink. It might be that there's a way to teach others to make their own rather than you supply it.

I'd hate to see someone as talented as you burn yourself out Randy. You're not here to save the world, even if it sometimes feels like that.

 

[DrZiggy]

lecithin is an emulsifier...

An emulsifier consists of a water-loving hydrophilic head and an oil-loving hydrophobic tail.

-it allows the 'water' side of a molecule to combine with the 'oil' side.

i stopped adding lecithin when making butter etc until i cook with it.

 

[SweetSue]

So many pages have gone by since I've been able to get on here. Not sure if 420 is more compatible with TOR or TOR has fixed a bug in the last upgrade but I'm here, not queer so get over it boyz!

Was off to BC for another 5 weeks and scored more grow gear to get more pot to experiment with. I still have a wet pound or so of good sugar trim in the freezer from the last crop to try out FHO. This last batch of regular cocobudder blows me away.

I used 30g of older, well-cured bud to make a 250ml batch and it has laid waste to better men than me.

There's about 7 different strains in it so all bases are covered except CBD which has to be very low but should be high in CBN which isn't saying a lot. Sleep a good 8 hours after a dose so it does have it's positive value for sure.

Laid better men than you to waste, eh? That's what I wanna hear. I've been thinking its time to gather up all my bits and pieces and either make an infused oil or a batch of CCO. It's been too long for each.

 

[InTheShed]

I saw this sign posted next to a hotel conference room on Sunday and thought maybe I was missing a convention from this thread!

 

[SweetSue]

Today I started a 36-hour oil using buds I'd flash dried in the dehydrator. The flash dry gives an end product comparable to the low and slo, which we'd hoped would give us an option to this process, in that the resulting oil would be higher in terpenes and flavonoids than an oil made with traditionally dried and cured buds.

I'm using 125 ml of EVOO and 25 grams of CBD Critical Cure.

I'm thinking I'd have been better to blend the oil and plant material before throwing it into the oven, but it'll get shaken up quite a bit between now and when I take it out. I won't be removing it from the oven until it's completely decarbed.

After nine hours things are starting to break down. I started tilting the jar around before I put it back on the tray to get the oil all through the plant material.

I'm guessing it may take longer than 36 hours. When it's done I'll do a more complete report.

 

[OldMedUser]

We're there any test results ever posted back for the FHO? I've just caught up after being away awhile (stoned on oil mainly) and wondered whether anything conclusive was found. I've got a tcheck here and my CCO measures 'over' even diluted with Coconut Oil at a 5:1 ratio, whereas the FHO (bear in mind I have only made the one batch) measures in at 11.3 - 11.6mg per ml. I'm not sure where that stands in the nature of things but I definitely get different effects from the different types of oil that I'm trying. Is my Olive Oil dilution ratio too steep do you think? I personally don't mind necking a few capsules in a day and feeling great with the odd dizzy moment (think trip, talking to God style), but I have friends that are looking for medicine that helps them and they're of the train of thought that a couple of drops two or three times a day is the way to go.

Any advice is welcome, and if someone could help me aim for a correct mg to ml ratio I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance for any replies, may your buds be forever bountiful

I'm working all on my lonesome up here and mining as much info as possible off these very valuable pages to find and set limits for dosing myself so not ready to offer advice about specific dosage regimes. For myself I find micro-dosing during the day to be helpful and allow me to function better then once done for the day imbibe a little heavier to get me in the "zone".

Good luck with your efforts to figure it all out.

 

[SweetSue]

I'm working all on my lonesome up here and mining as much info as possible off these very valuable pages to find and set limits for dosing myself so not ready to offer advise about specific dosage regimes. For myself I find micro-dosing during the day to be helpful and allow me to function better then once done for the day imbibe a little heavier to get me in the "zone".

Good luck with your efforts to figure it all out.

You caught me feeling curious OldMedUser. Would you be so kind as to define your version of micro dosing? I find it helpful to get as much of this basic information as possible out in the open. It makes it so much easier to figure out what might work for you when you've read what others have found successful.

Microdosing for me is 75 mg of THC for breakfast and dinner with scattered sessions along the way to refresh the flight altitude and carry me into the wee, small hours of the morning. I'd bet my life yours is a little more restrained.

 

[AKgramma]

IMO, and by experience with OTC's and cannibus intake, I think it is more effective to take less at one time and take 3 - 4 doses over the day. That way you dont lose half of it when your body dumps the excess that it cannot metabolize, as when you take it all in one daily dose.

I control my osteoarthritis pain this way, by spreading out the OTCs' vitamins, minerals, and cannibus. The difference in dosing in noticeable, at least for me.