Flashmp3's Green Crack x Blue Dream Rockwool Revenge

flashmp3 said:
Everything from seed. If you look back in the journal you ll understand the two girls in the center pot. They are older. They suffered earlier in rockwool so I managed to save them by adjusting pH and putting in coco. I put them in coco June 15th :

Blue dreams recovering in coco

Blue dreams recovering in coco

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Do they really need watering right now?

In reality they were planted on May 20th! They suffered earlier then were heavily suppercropped. There are pics sooner in this thread. They both have big thick trunks considering their size but I just put them deeper in the coco to gain some height so you can't really see on the last picture. If you're curious read the hole journal there are interesting stuffs till first post :Namaste:
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I read quite a bit. I saw the miraculous recovery and the sequoia sized trunks on the blue dream interesting stuff
 
flashmp3 said:
Hi guys,

After reading the following article for maybe the 44th time, I decided to do more trimming :

Cannabis Defoliation Tutorial To Increase Yields | Grow Weed Easy

Did some trimming again

Did some trimming again

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Outdoor blue dream x green crack

Outdoor blue dream x green crack

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Topped the BD again don't want any tall plant outside / should start flower around 15/08
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Dude, its to early to go nuts with defoliation. There are 57 different was to defoliate, look up swazzing. Ridiculous ( in my mind). I only defoliate when its needed some plants not at all. I have a sativa that i havent touched... it didnt need it. Just be careful. You can over do it
 
Stltoed said:
Dude, its to early to go nuts with defoliation. There are 57 different was to defoliate, look up swazzing. Ridiculous ( in my mind). I only defoliate when its needed some plants not at all. I have a sativa that i havent touched... it didnt need it. Just be careful. You can over do it
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Thanks for advice man! I was able to experiment defoliation multiple times before. I think the key point is plant health. If it s in good health and it s given time to recover it will heal fast. I have also to take into account my setup which can quickly make a big fan leaf hiding another bud site of a close other plant (SOG constraints). I have read a study on defoliation. Typically if you strip less than 30% of the plant they say roots are not impacted. More than that will make some die cause not useful anymore. I need to find this article back to share it here. It helped me understand that the sweet spot seems to be around 30% defol. Whenever the next time I defol I will make sure I m not taking more that 30% of the leaves (what I did here for the small girls). I did heavy defol in the center pot to purposely slow down growth cause I want even canopy over the entier grow space. Not sure it will be a full success but I ll do my best! I managed to keep even canopy in my second grow doing this and it worked well! I could have just topped further down but it would have been too agressive and would have made me lose the already growing main sites.

Hope I got it clear. Cause don't worry I know defol can be bad if not done properly. But I m fine I ve already experimented it before :Namaste:
 
Forgot to share how heavy defo well done can lead too huge buds :


I downloaded it and slowed it down to count the days. From what I counted, they did the Nebula's method pushed even further . They Defoliated before flip then 21 days later (when stretch is almost done for most photo strains)
 
Pennywise said:
Nice time lapse of late flower.
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It s entire flowering cycle actually. Slow it down you ll be able to count days. It s also written in the comments that second defol was done at day 21. I would never defoliate that much! I did on two girls on purpose to give the other younger ones time to reach them but otherwise I would be too scary. There plants seem mature enough before flowering meanwhile. So they could handle more defol than my young 3 weeks plants
 
If someone had showed me this plant before I would tell that it was too young to be defoliated that much! However I did it on purpose to slow her a bit. It s like it didn't slowed her down that much :D:p

Blue dream heavy defol recovy

Blue dream heavy defol recovy

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I truly believe now that coco + good stuffs for roots makes the difference in how fast and strong cannabis plant can grow!
 
flashmp3 said:
Forgot to share how heavy defo well done can lead too huge buds :


I downloaded it and slowed it down to count the days. From what I counted, they did the Nebula's method pushed even further . They Defoliated before flip then 21 days later (when stretch is almost done for most photo strains)
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But do you believe it budded like that because of defoliation or because of the strain?
 
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Strain has a lot to do with it but I'm sure defol played a part in it.
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On the lower stuff, but i just dont think it does that much, if anything, to the stuff above the canopy, which is all you see
 
Stltoed said:
But do you believe it budded like that because of defoliation or because of the strain?
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Pennywise said:
Strain has a lot to do with it but I'm sure defol played a part in it.
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Yes strain is always the most important factor I think. But this video did intrigue me a lot! It made me think a lot. I have some ideas but will never know till some true studies have been made. Considering all the articles about defoliation which explain that the main goal is to allow lights to reach bud sites better, I ve remarked (like all of you may have as well) that when you trim a big fan leaf, there is a kind of bowl that forms around the base of the stem of the future bud site that goes along. It s like it s getting bigger and stronger. So I think it s getting bigger to allow more energy to go through the stem and allow it to have enough resources to grow other fan leaves again on the new stem. So this IMO goes along with all they say about how the plant can redirect the energy. Then you add the fact that a plant is meant to grow outdoor where conditions vary a lot. It can be cold one day and so hot the next one! So she needs to grow multiple fan leaves to be able to handle any condition. Indoor you have more control so I m sure it doesn't need that much leaves to thrive. So cutting some can IMO for sure allow more energy to bud development!
 
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On the lower stuff, but i just dont think it does that much, if anything, to the stuff above the canopy, which is all you see
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It's true that again, without real scientific expriment we still can't know for sure.... The safest remains to do it gently by plucking only down shaded leaves that for sure wouldn't develop and end up in popcorn nugs
 
flashmp3 said:
It's true that again, without real scientific expriment we still can't know for sure.... The safest remains to do it gently by plucking only down shaded leaves that for sure wouldn't develop and end up in popcorn nugs
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I have to replant my defol flag.... im all for a good trim, and i know its not only needed its necessary with my plants. Indoor plants grow waaaay too many leaves. I have only ever had one plant that didnt need a whack job every once and a while, and im growing it now.

What i dont believe should happen is say "only defol. to this node", "trim X amount when you trim". there shouldnt be a hard number to all this, it. The amount one applies to any excercise in growing should be on a case by case basis.

I am pro defoliation.
 
Stltoed said:
I have to replant my defol flag.... im all for a good trim, and i know its not only needed its necessary with my plants. Indoor plants grow waaaay too many leaves. I have only ever had one plant that didnt need a whack job every once and a while, and im growing it now.

What i dont believe should happen is say "only defol. to this node", "trim X amount when you trim". there shouldnt be a hard number to all this, it. The amount one applies to any excercise in growing should be on a case by case basis.

I am pro defoliation.
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I get your point. It s always case by case!

But I think it s like in life with human beings. Everyone is a single person. A single human being with it s own DNA and finger print. We don't eat the same stuff, at the same rate, etc... However even if we're all different we still have stuffs that apply to all of us! For example eating 3x time a day, loving our children, don't support to much sugar, etc.... I m an open minded spiritual person. But I also trust science. They go all together imo. That's why I trust the studies that I read that were just showing how much off root mass was a plant loosing depending on the defol. And for 4 different species in the test, they all were starting to loose root mass when more than 30 % of leaves were removed. It s like in sports. You make different people doing the same exercises they won't progress the same way but they will still progress. So I still think because of too many examples we have in life that some stuffs can be approximated and applied globally. But I just keep in mind that like you say there are still differences! That's why the best is always case by case! :green_heart::Namaste:
 
flashmp3 said:
I get your point. It s always case by case!

But I think it s like in life with human beings. Everyone is a single person. A single human being with it s own DNA and finger print. We don't eat the same stuff, at the same rate, etc... However even if we're all different we still have stuffs that apply to all of us! For example eating 3x time a day, loving our children, don't support to much sugar, etc.... I m an open minded spiritual person. But I also trust science. They go all together imo. That's why I trust the studies that I read that were just showing how much off root mass was a plant loosing depending on the defol. And for 4 different species in the test, they all were starting to loose root mass when more than 30 % of leaves were removed. It s like in sports. You make different people doing the same exercises they won't progress the same way but they will still progress. So I still think because of too many examples we have in life that some stuffs can be approximated and applied globally. But I just keep in mind that like you say there are still differences! That's why the best is always case by case! :green_heart::Namaste:
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I tell you what. This is the tamest conversation on defoliation ive ever seen. if we were on the Roll it Up forum it would have degraded into a venomous mess by now. Haha Defoliation and, which lights are best for growing pot, are two topics that get the ire up in some places

Youve done your homework i hope i could help. Im looking forward to seeing what you come up with!
 
Haha I think it s because on this forum it s not about who got the biggest but more just sharing! Sharing is key and that's why I love to be able to share with you guys here! Honestly it really means something for me cause like you kind of say people can too easily go in drama and argue haha

Love you guys!

I hope I ll manage to keep everything going well till the end! Thank you very much for you support! Again it s meaningful and that what helps me do things well. Knowledge is just the sum of multiple knowledge coming from every beings! That's why whatever anyone will say I will always listen cause there is always something to learn!
 
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