Fanleaf Tries For A TLO, True Living Organics, Grow With 6 Plants

What do you guys think? Magnesium deficiency? I see 3 of the 6 plants are showing this. Perhaps some epsom salt? It's a bad time for a magnesium deficiency. I would like to get it correct quickly before bud development starts.
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...epsom was my first thought, or possibly a seaweed foliar...I hate trying to diagnose someone else's problems, but that's the way I'd lean...was this after your tea, or was already happening?...cheerz... :high-five:...h00k...:hookah:...
 
dr.h00k said:
...epsom was my first thought, or possibly a seaweed foliar...I hate trying to diagnose someone else's problems, but that's the way I'd lean...was this after your tea, or was already happening?...cheerz... :high-five:...h00k...:hookah:...
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Already showing before the tea. It has been showing a bit for a while. I just hoped it would fix itself but it's not. What's your take @Emilya ? What would your approach be to take care of it TLO style?
 
...how does the newer growth up top look?...h00k... :hookah:
 
dr.h00k said:
...how does the newer growth up top look?...h00k... :hookah:
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On those 3 plants it shows the same as the pic but less intense. Overall growth is going very well though. I have documented just over 1/2" vertical growth per day for the last 2 days in a row. Had to raise the lights about 4-6" today. The par levels were getting too high (1400) for not adding any Co2 that's just a bit too much. Toned canopy down between 1100-1200.
 
went back a page and was looking at your tea again...lots of stuff in it...maybe with the lights backed off(1400!...you got horsepower!...;))...and only straight water next feeding(or two) might be prudent...rather than chase a problem...:hmmmm:...cheerz...h00k...:hookah:...
 
dr.h00k said:
went back a page and was looking at your tea again...lots of stuff in it...maybe with the lights backed off(1400!...you got horsepower!...;))...and only straight water next feeding(or two) might be prudent...rather than chase a problem...:hmmmm:...cheerz...h00k...:hookah:...
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Yeah, you could be right. Shoot, if I crank the light up to the max it has no problem hitting 2000 on my Apogee :cheesygrinsmiley:.... Remeber too, even though there is a lot in the tea, they get diluted down to only 50-70ppm.
 
fanleaf said:
Already showing before the tea. It has been showing a bit for a while. I just hoped it would fix itself but it's not. What's your take @Emilya ? What would your approach be to take care of it TLO style?
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I am seeing macronutrient problems... and this can only mean that the microlife is deficient in some way. I would be throwing another strong time appropriate AACT at them, making sure that one of the components in there is an organic all purpose 5-5-5. Why do you think this is happening?
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Emilya said:
I am seeing macronutrient problems... and this can only mean that the microlife is deficient in some way. I would be throwing another strong time appropriate AACT at them, making sure that one of the components in there is an organic all purpose 5-5-5. Why do you think this is happening?
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Copy that, if it's a macro nutrient issue I may have a clue.
When they were quite unhealthy I could see the issue a bit, I figured if they got healthy perhaps it would go away but it didnt.
2 things, one of thier issues was they needed up potted.. They got it but that and it helped tremendously. Now, the other reason they have been doing better is that I came to realize that these pots will never get as light as my normal Promix when they need water. This soil just weighs more. So I had them all in a constant state of drought for roughly 3 weeks thinking the center of the rootball had weight in it yet but it didnt.
I know that because more frequent watering has made them consistently perky and they always look better now after every watering.
Maybe over the coarse of a few weeks this treatment caused some symptoms that will take more time than 1 week to fix.
So, maybe I should start a tea just to be safe and not dilute to 50ppm but maybe a few hundred ppm and go a bit heavy on the all purpose?
 
I think you may still be thinking of AACT as a fertilizer. It can be, as I suggested to use it above, but the primary number one job of an AACT is to provide billions of new fresh and thriving microbeasties to your soil, and specific ones too... already feeding on the time appropriate materials that compose your tea... The raw nutrients that may come along with it are not all yet ready for the plant anyway.
Then, think about the ppm of a single handful of soil. Think of your concern adding a few more ppm and carefully trying to stay within an arbitrary limit on your input. You are concerning yourself over something that really isn't important to the soil. And worse than that, the ppm of your AACT is primarily consisting of the single celled critters you have generated. You can test this without a microscope. Mix up your AACT components and measure the ppm of the fluid. Bubble for 24 hours. Measure and consider where all the extra ppm came from with no added inputs. Bubble another 24 hours. Explain the doubling of the PPM, with no additional inputs. Billions of microbeasties is the answer. It really is awesome when you think about it.
 
Emilya said:
I think you may still be thinking of AACT as a fertilizer. It can be, as I suggested to use it above, but the primary number one job of an AACT is to provide billions of new fresh and thriving microbeasties to your soil, and specific ones too... already feeding on the time appropriate materials that compose your tea... The raw nutrients that may come along with it are not all yet ready for the plant anyway.
Then, think about the ppm of a single handful of soil. Think of your concern adding a few more ppm and carefully trying to stay within an arbitrary limit on your input. You are concerning yourself over something that really isn't important to the soil. And worse than that, the ppm of your AACT is primarily consisting of the single celled critters you have generated. You can test this without a microscope. Mix up your AACT components and measure the ppm of the fluid. Bubble for 24 hours. Measure and consider where all the extra ppm came from with no added inputs. Bubble another 24 hours. Explain the doubling of the PPM, with no additional inputs. Billions of microbeasties is the answer. It really is awesome when you think about it.
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I fully understand what you are saying and will take that advice. I was diluting so far down simply because that's what Rev says to do in the book. I agree I need to go stronger and will do so.
BTW, on another topic. I know we talked about it a few weeks ago and I said I should just go for "it". Went to a ham fest in Peru, IN today. Now until my call updated through the FCC it has /AE added to the end of it. Missed 3 questions .
 
fanleaf said:
I fully understand what you are saying and will take that advice. I was diluting so far down simply because that's what Rev says to do in the book. I agree I need to go stronger and will do so.
BTW, on another topic. I know we talked about it a few weeks ago and I said I should just go for "it". Went to a ham fest in Peru, IN today. Now until my call updated through the FCC it has /AE added to the end of it. Missed 3 questions .
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Congratulations on reaching the pinnacle of achievement in Ham Radio, the equivalent of a radio engineer's 1st class radiotelephone license! I know what an achievement this is, and I am glad to be among the first to welcome you as a member of this exclusive group of radio experts!
:thumb::woohoo::goodjob:
 
Emilya said:
Congratulations on reaching the pinnacle of achievement in Ham Radio, the equivalent of a radio engineer's 1st class radiotelephone license! I know what an achievement this is, and I am glad to be among the first to welcome you as a member of this exclusive group of radio experts!
:thumb::woohoo::goodjob:
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Thank you!
Now, I am really enjoying all of the new material I've learned. I need to keep up doing work with all of the new complex (real and imaginary numbers) equations and formulas learned along the way. Bunches of that stuff needs to be repeatedly used and I do have uses for it. That way it all stays locked in my head.
 
fanleaf said:
FLOWERING TEA
(For two weeks from flowering starts until halfway through flowering).
1 gallon RO water
3/4 tbsp molasses
1 tsp alfalfa meal
2 tbsp Fox Farm Big Bloom
1/2 tsp bee pollen
1 tsp insect frass
1/8 tsp Azomite powder
1 tsp Kelp meal
1/2 tsp dry soluble kelp seaweed
1 tsp feather meal
1/2 tsp Organicare Pure Bloom dry.
1/2 tsp high N guano
1/4 tsp high P guano
1/2 tsp dried fish
1/4 cup of my fresh harvested earthworm castings.
6ml Of General Organics Calmag.


And, after 12 hours of brewing it's looking well.

This will brew for at least 12 more hours and then diluted way down to 50ppm.
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Okay, they are ready for water or very very close so let's do this tea thing a tad different this time.

Brewing now is the same tea mentioned above but will be given at 300+ppm instead of 60-80ppm. I also made a few tweaks in the recipe that I hope is a good choice.
Tweaks are;
instead of 10-15 drops of General Organics calmag (1-0-0) I went with 2 tablespoons. The calmag says 1tbsp per gallon of water and this tea should mix with between 5-7 gallons I'm rough guessing.

Also, instead of 3/4tbsp of molasses I went with 1tbsp.

Instead of 1/2tsp of Organicare granular bloom I went with 1tsp plus 1/2tsp of the granular grow granules.

From 1/2 tsp kelp seaweed went to 1tsp.
About 1/2tsp extra of the dried fish too.
I used my fresh casting again as well. @Emilya do you think 300ppm would be good enough or should I just not worry about how concentrated it is and just dilute to the 5-7 gallons of water I'll need? I'm sure if I did that it would be quite concentrated. Just not sure here, 300ppm? 400, 500? I have no idea.
 
Just filter it out so you got all the big chunks out, dilute it 50/50, and pour it on... pay no heed to the awesome ppm you have created with that nice strong mix of nutrients. The microlife should be quite strong in there and they will get right to work... oh wait... you are diluting it much more than that. Your ppm's should be quite acceptable after mixing it to 7 gallons, even if one were counting... and I say next time go whole hog and bubble up 2 gallons of mix so you can make it even stronger. I have to get Rev's second edition to learn why he has started counting ppms and having people dilute teas 7:1... I just don't understand that reasoning and I guess I have to see what he has to say about this.
 
Emilya said:
Just filter it out so you got all the big chunks out, dilute it 50/50, and pour it on... pay no heed to the awesome ppm you have created with that nice strong mix of nutrients. The microlife should be quite strong in there and they will get right to work... oh wait... you are diluting it much more than that. Your ppm's should be quite acceptable after mixing it to 7 gallons, even if one were counting... and I say next time go whole hog and bubble up 2 gallons of mix so you can make it even stronger. I have to get Rev's second edition to learn why he has started counting ppms and having people dilute teas 7:1... I just don't understand that reasoning and I guess I have to see what he has to say about this.
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Thank you.
I'm going to hit it with the TDS meter when I dilute it just toget an idea of it. I wont concern myself with how high it is, I'm just curious as to what it will be. I was using less than 1 quart of it to 5 gallons to hit 80ppm before so I bet it will be quite concentrated using the whole gallon of tea, especially with the extra put into it this time.
I just came up from the growroom and yep, 1/2" vertical growth again. I hang my temp probe right at the top of the canopy and have to raise it daily, so it's good to see them growing quite quickly.
 
Nice going fanleaf. I got the ro rig up. I feel better now, never know when it might stop raining although I feel like Sponge Bob these days. I can know my water is good finally. Thanks for the help.
I underwatered last grow for a while and they came back pretty good. Some of them just don't droop.
My next watering I'll be trying for the flowering tea. Bring on the micro life baby! I don't know how much to bubble up. Maybe you can help. If I'm going to need 6 gallons of water will one gallon of tea split between them be enough?
 
That "heavy tea" should work well, and should get things moving again in the soil. I believe " The Rev" could have explained this part a little better, to make things more clear in his 2nd edition.

He states that:

"the recipes in the old book were a bit complex, and I've now made them much simpler, big changes include the regularity of my use of teas. These days I give my plants 2 or 3 teas max during their entire flowering period. If you are not using spikes, you will need to use them about once every 10 days or so. Another change is I've made them mellower now, and again, those complex recipes are no more. "

In the Q&A, he states:
"I will say that at different times I have hit my plants with some heavy PPM teas up around 250-300 and higher even. My norm for teas is probably around 70-90 PPM, and I don't use teas often".

To me, it sounds like he "upped" the spike recipes, to be able to get away from the time it takes to mix/brew teas. I no longer have his first edition, but I don't recall the recipes being "too complex".

He does say to mix 1gal of brew with 2gal of water, so "upping" the brew should work well.
 
Captain Cannabis said:
That "heavy tea" should work well, and should get things moving again in the soil. I believe " The Rev" could have explained this part a little better, to make things more clear in his 2nd edition.

He states that:

"the recipes in the old book were a bit complex, and I've now made them much simpler, big changes include the regularity of my use of teas. These days I give my plants 2 or 3 teas max during their entire flowering period. If you are not using spikes, you will need to use them about once every 10 days or so. Another change is I've made them mellower now, and again, those complex recipes are no more. "

In the Q&A, he states:
"I will say that at different times I have hit my plants with some heavy PPM teas up around 250-300 and higher even. My norm for teas is probably around 70-90 PPM, and I don't use teas often".

To me, it sounds like he "upped" the spike recipes, to be able to get away from the time it takes to mix/brew teas. I no longer have his first edition, but I don't recall the recipes being "too complex".

He does say to mix 1gal of brew with 2gal of water, so "upping" the brew should work well.
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Just starting out with his second book I think he's vague in this area. I missed the 250 - 300 ppm area and wouldn't have let it go that high. Then Emilya's comment and you find this. I'm glad once again to be here being helped. Thanx Captain.
 
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