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[trichtone]

There is good news on this front for the future.. Sal and his team is coming out with a Plug and Play PAD timer setup. I can't wait.. Because all this timer setting stuff sucks for the regular grower.

That is good news. I was thinking building my own timer, but I will wait and see what Sal and his team come up with. Any idea of how soon it will be coming out?

Also 730nm led's are not that popular yet for growing, so we have to use black lights that throw a lot of heat during the PAD lighting time.. So currently there are some draw backs on the 730nm front.

I will have to figure this one out. I live in an area that gets really hot in the summer. One of the advantages that steered me towards LED's is that folks seem to be able to run thier rooms fairly hot without impacting the ladies (reduced radient heat with LED's). I am assuming that the black lights you are using throw off alot of radient heat. How far away do keep the black lights from the plants?

I might look into getting a custom panel with 730nm LED's.

I would also recommend starting out with a small (micro) grow at first. This will prevent you from screwing up a 3x3 area full of your meds. Because once you screw up a 3x3 area full of meds I guarantee you will get frustrated with this PAD flowering method. So please start small, one or two plants at the most.

I was thinking the same thing. I think it will take a while to dial how to grow with the PAD method. I am setting up 2 grow cabinets. One for a straight up grow (using two 300Wer's from Mike). And a play cabinet that will have my PAD setup.

Now as far as potency. I haven't smoked much indoor grown stuff that hits like PAD weed. If you've got a hard hitting strain to begin with and then grow it PAD style, it will mess you up like no other.

Hehe...now that is what I like to hear. This is a personal grow, so I am not looking for quantity I am looking for quality.

 

[dogsnova]

Trich sounds to me like your on the right track..

 

[dogsnova]

That is good news. I was thinking building my own timer, but I will wait and see what Sal and his team come up with. Any idea of how soon it will be coming out?

According to Sal they should of already came out.. I'm not sure what the delay is.. I'm with you though I need one like yesterday...lol

I will have to figure this one out. I live in an area that gets really hot in the summer. One of the advantages that steered me towards LED's is that folks seem to be able to run thier rooms fairly hot without impacting the ladies (reduced radient heat with LED's). I am assuming that the black lights you are using throw off alot of radient heat. How far away do keep the black lights from the plants?

I might look into getting a custom panel with 730nm LED's.

Yes black lights are hot.. I put them inside an air cooled hood. But yes I want 730nm led's also.. IMO black light are one of the biggest drawbacks to this PAD flowering. That will change soon I'm sure.. Black lights and timers are my problems currently. Constant timer adjustments and the heat.

I was thinking the same thing. I think it will take a while to dial how to grow with the PAD method. I am setting up 2 grow cabinets. One for a straight up grow (using two 300Wer's from Mike). And a play cabinet that will have my PAD setup.

This is and excelent idea my friend.. Good luck and I will be looking for any treads you might start..

 

[The Builder]

Hey LED enthusiast,

Is this the type of growing that was featured in another popular magazine,
with blue LED light running 24/7 during veg. and during the flowering cycle turning the red LED's on 12/12, leaving the blue LED's still running at 24/7??

 

[dogsnova]

Hey LED enthusiast,

Is this the type of growing that was featured in another popular magazine,
with blue LED light running 24/7 during veg. and during the flowering cycle turning the red LED's on 12/12, leaving the blue LED's still running at 24/7??

Yes I think it's the same method you read about.... But you can't run the blue light 24hrs during flowering... As a matter of fact you can only run blue light for no more then 6 to 7 hours per 24hr cycle when flowering using this 24hr flowering method..

I'm not sure if that helped you or not...Sorry

 

[The Builder]

dogsnova,
I'm not sure if that helped you or not...Sorry

Yes, that absolutely helped me out.
Thank you

Also wondering if you have gone through an entire grow cycle with this method yet?

 

[dogsnova]

Yes, but because good red 660nm led's are so expensive my yield suffers.
I get small yields with this method but meds that are very potent.

Someday good 660nm led's won't be so expensive...

 

[The Builder]

I know exactly where you are coming from when you say 660nm is so expensive. I have about 55% 660nm in my lights and about 15% 640nm, which by the way, 640nm are more expensive than the typical 630nm. Also, I have some infra-red which are more expensive than the 660nm. However, when you get down to it, its all worth it in the end.

 

[dogsnova]

I think your farther along them me in the PAD led lights department. Hell, the IR led's I don't even have.. I use black lights for my IR, witch presents a problem all by it's self with the heat.. Of course then you got the timers and keeping them sync together. So yeah until some actual products are being made specially for this 24hr flowering method I'm just kind of putting my own DIY system together..It works but it's NOT what it will be when the prices of led's come down and TP comes out with timers.....

 

[trichtone]

I think your farther along them me in the PAD led lights department. Hell, the IR led's I don't even have.. I use black lights for my IR, witch presents a problem all by it's self with the heat.. Of course then you got the timers and keeping them sync together. So yeah until some actual products are being made specially for this 24hr flowering method I'm just kind of putting my own DIY system together..It works but it's NOT what it will be when the prices of led's come down and TP comes out with timers.....

Have you heard anything more of when the timers might be available?

 

[trichtone]

I know exactly where you are coming from when you say 660nm is so expensive. I have about 55% 660nm in my lights and about 15% 640nm, which by the way, 640nm are more expensive than the typical 630nm. Also, I have some infra-red which are more expensive than the 660nm. However, when you get down to it, its all worth it in the end.

I have been thinking about building my own PAD Light. If you don't mind me asking what are you using as a base to build your lights (soldering lights onto a board or build to order)?

 

[BörjeBlue]

would this lamp work instead of the incs? was thinking 6h 250 watt Led panels from hgl, and then 6h of the SDW-T 100 watt hps and a few cfl 2700k, would that work for the 6/6/12 simple version?

SON SDWT 100W White SON Philips100W Philips Master White SON-SDW T High Pressure Sodium


100 Watt, 5000 lumens
Universal burning position
Excellent colour rendering CRI 83%
PG12-1 cap, CCT 2550K Property Value

Our Part Number 100SDWT PHI
Wattage 100W
Lumens 5000
Base / Cap PG12-1
Life 16000 Hrs.
CRI 83
Colour Temperature 2550 Kelvin
Length 149mm
Diameter 32mm
Manufacturer Philips
Manufacturer Part Number 734044
Manufacturer Short Code 100SDWT
Weight 61g



it had been designed to replace the light of old incs, and has alot of far red.

a complete pdf of the bulb can be found at google if you search "[PDF] 3374 opm. OEM SDW-T"

 

[dogsnova]

Yes that light should work. I use these bulbs.. Halogen Ge reveal clear Inc's

If you look at the pic below you will see that clear Inc's (especially this one) also have alot of 600nm through 700nm omitting from them.. If you can check the spectrum of that bulb you are looking to use and see if it looks anything like the pic I posted you should be in good shape in using that bulb for flowering enhancement..

These bulbs are some trich throwing,flavor enhancing,ripping son's of a ... Well you get the point.
The problem is they run HOTTTTTT... In the summer months it presents big problems.

 

[BörjeBlue]

it looks to be close to the graph you showed, dont you think?

so 6h of light with the SDW-T and 2700k cfl, then 6h with my HGL Led lights, or the other way around?

how many watts of cfl should i add to get a good balance to the 6h with the SDW-T 100w bulb if i have 250w Led light the other 6h's?

 

[dogsnova]

Sorry I'm not familiar with the LED light you are using...

But your probably going to have to see witch way works best for your strain..

I would run it the first time with the led's coming on first then going to the SDW-T/2700k cfl combo for the second half of each day.... 6hrs led then 6hrs SDW/CFL then 12 hours of complete darkness...

The reason I say this is. You need to worry about what's called (nightfall).. IMO and this is just my opinion but I think the SDW-T/CFL combo will be faster as far as spectrums go.. Just remember you want to end each day with the faster light combo. If you end each day with the slower light combo then your overall flowering time could be delayed. An example of this would be an 8 week strain starts to become a 10 week strain, if you know what I mean..


As far as how much cfl's to add, unfortunately that is trial (per area).. I would say at least 4 13w 2700K ones evenly spread out over the canopy to start.

Yes that chart looks good to me..

 

[BörjeBlue]

thanks for all that info very useful!

this is gonna be interesting

how long must they overlap when shifting from led to sdw/cfl, cause if i remember right you have said no darkness between light sources switch..

 

[dogsnova]

yes I overlap 1/2 hour....

Great question...

 

[BörjeBlue]

just hoping this light combo will work..

as for a Led panels in specific NM for the 24h PAD lightning, i think this company may have the stuff, a bit expensive, but 5watt leds and made by a hi-tech company

Orbital Technologies Corporation - Online Store for LED Light Bars

and prosource has this new flower accelerator, maybe its something to look in to..

LED Grow Lights from ProSource Worldwide - LED Grow Lights w/ 5-Band Tri-Spectrum design. Newest technology available.

also wondering if you heard anything new on the Timers from Photonics?

would be awsome to have a pure Led PAD setup with those timers!!

 

[dogsnova]

I think the pro source light is 630/660nm and far red 730nm. A lot like the clear inc, minus most of the heat. Personally I would go spend my money on the $5 Halogen Clear incs Flower Accelerator LOL and put them in a cool tube.. ....

No word on the timers yet.. I need one like yesaterday....lol

 

[dogsnova]

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