Emmie's 6 Plant, True Living Organic, LED Grow Journal

UrbanAchiever said:
I took a look around your links and tutorials for the banana extract recipe but can’t seem to find it. Pretty sure you shared the recipe somewhere but can’t seem to find it.

Cut up banana peels, simmer in water, and cool? Then add some molasses or brown sugar?
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Sorry to confuse... but I started this over on Angry Birdie's thread and have never documented it in a thread of my own.
Simmering is the exact opposite of what we want to happen... a tea in the organic world has nothing to do with heat. To make this banana extract, which is very rich in potassium, I simply cut up 3 banana peels and added them to a quart of spring water. I added 1 tbls of molasses to feed the fermentation process and have lightly sealed it to allow the fermentation to start. To get rid of the resulting alcohol that is a byproduct of the fermentation, I have added some lacto-bacillus serum to the mix. I have been shaking the jar once a day and then watch to see how it settles out. In hindsight, I should have added more molasses in the beginning, and just yesterday added another tbls to the mix.
 
Emilya said:
Sorry to confuse... but I started this over on Angry Birdie's thread and have never documented it in a thread of my own.
Simmering is the exact opposite of what we want to happen... a tea in the organic world has nothing to do with heat. To make this banana extract, which is very rich in potassium, I simply cut up 3 banana peels and added them to a quart of spring water. I added 1 tbls of molasses to feed the fermentation process and have lightly sealed it to allow the fermentation to start. To get rid of the resulting alcohol that is a byproduct of the fermentation, I have added some lacto-bacillus serum to the mix. I have been shaking the jar once a day and then watch to see how it settles out. In hindsight, I should have added more molasses in the beginning, and just yesterday added another tbls to the mix.
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Gotchya. Ok I was wondering about the heat. I put some banana peels into my compost but wanted to also have it readily available in a tea.

some recipes called for simmering but I figured the same results could be reached with a longer brew time at room temp.

Ok 3 banana peels, chopped, with some molasses/labs. How long are you going to let brew? How much will you use in a feed? A tablespoon per gallon?

Edit: I will pop over to birdies and read rather than have you post :)
 
I only add water in mine. You added lacto and (molasses?) brown sugar?
Which makes it faster.
But I assume better as well?
Can't order anything at the moment. Otherwise I would make a comparison between them two.
 
AngryBird said:
I only add water in mine. You added lacto and (molasses?) brown sugar?
Which makes it faster.
But I assume better as well?
Can't order anything at the moment. Otherwise I would make a comparison between them two.
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I am not sure it would be any better... just a little added magnesium. I am convinced this would ferment even without additional sugar given enough time just with the natural sugars in the banana.
 
True, it takes 2 weeks according to my notes for water only. So, if it is "same quality" of juice, then it is good for faster making results.
I have enough made for 8 plants lol.
My youngest daughter lives in ves bananas, so I have no problem with getting peels :)
 
NOOOBIENOT said:
I am presently growing 2 crown royal fem -cks and 2 blue cookies -cks -fem
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Wow these girls look happy, got me considering a humidifier now
 
NavNurs said:
Em,

I recently took off the upper fan leaves to avoid shadows on the lower bud sites and to avoid mold/increase air flow. Any thoughts on defoliation?
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If done in veg I have no problems with it... in flower I don't see that it is worth the risk. I am not a fan of defoliation generally except for late in flower, trying to get more airflow to the large buds and cleaning up below the canopy before flower. Stripping a vegging plant of all growth so the defoliation process can make a bushier plant seems counter productive too, and I would rather use selective topping to do the same job, only faster.
 
I'm no proponent of aggressive stripping, though have read a bit of GWE's page and it seems reasonable? BTW, I have no affiliation with them..

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Here are a couple pics of my girls after removing some mid-upper fans. I left those at the height of the 1st trellis alone while removing everything below it.

Oddly, my last grow was ruined by mold. While I was fighting it I kept stripping anything below the terminal cola that was affected. Overtime the tops were hit as well, though in the interim they were the only thing remaining plus a couple fan leaves, yet they grew massively and were exactly (minus WPM) what I'd hoped to grow one day. I can't imagine anything other than aggressive defoliation was to account for this. I wish I'd kept pics. It very nearly made me cry when I saw the mold on those massive nugs under magnification. With the naked eye you'd have thought they were just incredibly frosty!



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Hey Emilya, I like your journal, it's very informative and you seem like you know a lot of things about growing in soil .)
I'm also planning to grow in a similar setup like yours, forgive me if I derail the topic for a bit, but could you share your experiences with that V****r grow light (I'm not sure if I can write down the brande name here)?
It will be my very first grow and I'd like to keep it as economic as it can be. There's almost no review on this particular led on ebay, but the data sheet says it draws 230-260w from the wall (I'm talking about the "2000W" version), which is a lot of wattage for a quite low price.
Are you satisfied with it? I did find older reviews on lights from this brand, they were mostly negative, but you seem like someone who can give me advice on whether I should go with this led. I've only read the first 16 pages of this thread so far, I'm sorry if it was asked on the latter pages.
Keep up the great work .)
 
AliceGG said:
Hey Emilya, I like your journal, it's very informative and you seem like you know a lot of things about growing in soil .)
I'm also planning to grow in a similar setup like yours, forgive me if I derail the topic for a bit, but could you share your experiences with that V****r grow light (I'm not sure if I can write down the brande name here)?
It will be my very first grow and I'd like to keep it as economic as it can be. There's almost no review on this particular led on ebay, but the data sheet says it draws 230-260w from the wall (I'm talking about the "2000W" version), which is a lot of wattage for a quite low price.
Are you satisfied with it? I did find older reviews on lights from this brand, they were mostly negative, but you seem like someone who can give me advice on whether I should go with this led. I've only read the first 16 pages of this thread so far, I'm sorry if it was asked on the latter pages.
Keep up the great work .)
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Hi Alice! You are exactly the type of member that this particular grow journal is being written for. As far as I understand the rules we are free to discuss other lights in addition to the fine companies that help to sponsor this forum, we are just not allowed to provide links to them, and we are never allowed to provide links to the big resellers like Ebay or Amazon.
So, one of the stated purposes of this journal is to prove whether or not these rock bottom priced lights can grow pot. They may not have the penetration power of some of them and it certainly doesn't have the brand name or track record of the big brands, but it was cheap, and it did have a 3 year warranty and certifications that show it had some solid engineering behind it. I originally bought their intro product, the 1000w version, and used it's quality and actual power drawn from the wall as my basis to buy more of their product.
As a marketing expert I recognized what this company was doing and how they were ramping up into the American market with a good solid product at their most competitive price, and I could see as they would run out of inventory on each of these smaller products, that they were listening to their customer base who was demanding larger lights and a bloom switch. It took them 3 months to ramp up into the 3000w models with the bloom switch added, and that is when I bought 2 more, and after opening them and checking their actual power draw, I was happy with what I got. I think competition is a good thing, and although our local Mars distributor will cringe when I say this, I see that with more competition we will end up with better lights and cheaper prices.
These probably are not the best grow lights out there. There is no way to dial in more blue in veg or get rid of the UV and IR light that is emitted from these things. The spec sheets and claims from the company is that this full spectrum light, even including the UV and IR are optimal for growing fruiting plants... we will see.
So no, there are no reviews on these lights yet... but you are reading one now. So far, color me impressed... but we still have a lot of bloom to go yet, and a purposely untrimmed undercanopy to evaluate after the grow so I can accurately determine penetration power. Soon we will all know if a $100 350w light can grow pot like a 600w HPS.
 
Emilya said:
Hi Alice! You are exactly the type of member that this particular grow journal is being written for. As far as I understand the rules we are free to discuss other lights in addition to the fine companies that help to sponsor this forum, we are just not allowed to provide links to them, and we are never allowed to provide links to the big resellers like Ebay or Amazon.
So, one of the stated purposes of this journal is to prove whether or not these rock bottom priced lights can grow pot. They may not have the penetration power of some of them and it certainly doesn't have the brand name or track record of the big brands, but it was cheap, and it did have a 3 year warranty and certifications that show it had some solid engineering behind it. I originally bought their intro product, the 1000w version, and used it's quality and actual power drawn from the wall as my basis to buy more of their product.
As a marketing expert I recognized what this company was doing and how they were ramping up into the American market with a good solid product at their most competitive price, and I could see as they would run out of inventory on each of these smaller products, that they were listening to their customer base who was demanding larger lights and a bloom switch. It took them 3 months to ramp up into the 3000w models with the bloom switch added, and that is when I bought 2 more, and after opening them and checking their actual power draw, I was happy with what I got. I think competition is a good thing, and although our local Mars distributor will cringe when I say this, I see that with more competition we will end up with better lights and cheaper prices.
These probably are not the best grow lights out there. There is no way to dial in more blue in veg or get rid of the UV and IR light that is emitted from these things. The spec sheets and claims from the company is that this full spectrum light, even including the UV and IR are optimal for growing fruiting plants... we will see.
So no, there are no reviews on these lights yet... but you are reading one now. So far, color me impressed... but we still have a lot of bloom to go yet, and a purposely untrimmed undercanopy to evaluate after the grow so I can accurately determine penetration power. Soon we will all know if a $100 350w light can grow pot like a 600w HPS.
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Thank you for the detailed answer, Emilya.
In older reviews on this brand, I read that a lot of their models (especially the fans inside them) failed after a few weeks/months. I didn't see any sign of warranty in the description of their ebay listing, but I could have missed it, I'll check it again.
There are still a few weeks left to decide, but I'm leaning towards this light, I guess the watt/money ratio is so friendly it can't be a poor choice.
 
Slowpuffer said:
Thanks Amy !! I'm leaving the lids half on/half off, for now. the day after I mixed everything, the containers were warm to my touch, and now nothing. Is this normal?
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Half off is prob’ly too much slowpuffer. Only needs to be able to exchange a little air... so mostly closed, but not fully sealed is what one wants for cooking soil. :)


Em - I hope that Cationic Drench doesn’t cause issues for your babies. In a full DBHBB kit grow, it would be way too early for that Drench now, plus the other drenches prepare the soil for the Cat to some extent. I just know that things can react badly to it if given at the wrong time. So I am compelled to say so :)... the Kit products are designed (carefully) to work together and with the soil ammendments, there’s no telling what might happen when using them as hoc ... guess you’ll find out!
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Amy Gardner said:
Half off is prob’ly too much slowpuffer. Only needs to be able to exchange a little air... so mostly closed, but not fully sealed is what one wants for cooking soil. :)


Em - I hope that Cationic Drench doesn’t cause issues for your babies. In a full DBHBB kit grow, it would be way too early for that Drench now, plus the other drenches prepare the soil for the Cat to some extent. I just know that things can react badly to it if given at the wrong time. So I am compelled to say so :)... the Kit products are designed (carefully) to work together and with the soil ammendments, there’s no telling what might happen when using them as hoc ... guess you’ll find out!
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Warning has been noted and heeded... So I have the tea and the drench... should I start off with the tea to start this preparation since I am still only days into flower? Is there another product that I should get to use on my next waterings before the 21 day mark?
 
LOL! Sorry Em, I’m not gonna give any advice about that. I have no idea! :eek: The kit is designed to work together, that’s what I know and I’d have no idea how to advise about using the products in isolation. I only wanted to flag that it may be problematic. Doc’s system is very carefully balanced. That question may be best directed at the man who designed and built the product :Namaste:
 
Amy Gardner said:
LOL! Sorry Em, I’m not gonna give any advice about that. I have no idea! :eek: The kit is designed to work together, that’s what I know and I’d have no idea how to advise about using the products in isolation. I only wanted to flag that it may be problematic. Doc’s system is very carefully balanced. That question may be best directed at the man who designed and built the product :Namaste:
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Very good advice @Amy Gardner. @Doc Bud, any quick advice to someone who wants to do right by your system? Day 5 of flower... have you codified a step by step process that should be followed that you could summarize here or point to a reference? For us dummies out here trying to wing it, are there other products that you feel necessary so as to not cause any problems? Please treat me like the bad girl that I am, who failed to do the research and has just jumped in trying to use your products without the knowledge to do so correctly. Thank you in advance. :love:
 
The little bit of research that I have done so far regarding high brix has resulted in this list, "The Four Foundations of High Brix."


1. Mineralize the soil.
This I have done with my supersoil mix, as well as my layers and spikes.
2. Microbiology.
I have provided massive amounts of microbiology with my several AACT applications.
3. Major and minor elements.
I am assuming that this fine tuning and balancing of the elements has been done in my soil and will be adjusted again by using Doc's tea as the carrier for the Cationic drench.
4. Soil Energy.
And this flip of the electronic switch is the purpose of the cationic drench...

I am assuming from the reading that I have done so far that with these 4 foundations in place, that as long as I time this switch correctly, I have everything in place. I will wait a bit anyway to see if Doc will answer and I will wait till we are in the 3rd week of flower to do this drench. I am also assuming that part of the prep will be to give at least one application of the tea before applying the drench.
 
@Emilya
As you can see, I'm gearing up! So strange to get excited to try some TLO growing. After so many grow cycles it's really neat to be excited again. Just mixed these up while I wait for soil to cook.
 

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