DWC & Soil: Verb's Purple Puncher Autos, Mars Hydro TS 1000

[Roy Growin]

Yeah found it when used Bio’s nutes last round.
Would prob use it for DWC but since micro has 6% Ca and bloom 3% Mg and doing lucas so those two already provide right ratio of Ca & Mg.
I think adding extra Cal/Mag could at this point mess the nutrition balance again. Theres still some Ca def looking symptoms tho but it didn’t fix neither if I had 100 or 250ppm of Ca.

PS. Biobizz calmag is cheap!

Tap water, drop of citric and a pinch of Epsom Salts is even cheaper!

 

[FelipeBlu]

Found a study/example values how much phosphorus being used during the cannabis life cycle in this comparison:

Yo Verb!


Just got home from Spain - I have a lot of catching up to do - but this post caught my eye and I wondered if you would provide a link to this study. The graphics are contrary to what I (and some other growers here) believe about P.

You might want to check out the videos HERE and HERE

 

[Rexer]

Yo Verb!


Just got home from Spain - I have a lot of catching up to do - but I was curious about this post and wondered if you would provide a link to this study. The graphics are contrary to what I (and some other growers here) believe about P.

You might want to check out the videos HERE

Hey FelipeBlu!

Glad you made it home safely

 

[FelipeBlu]

Hey FelipeBlu!

Glad you made it home safely

The link doesn't work, I just get taken to bookmarks

Thanks Rex - I’ll look into it and edit (man, I am wiped out after 30 hours in transit!)

 

[Rexer]

Thanks Rex - I’ll look into it and edit (man, I am wiped out after 30 hours in transit!)

No worries. Rest brother; jet lag can screw with you, especially a 30 hour transit (I can't even imagine that long flying)

 

[FelipeBlu]

No worries. Rest brother; jet lag can screw with you, especially a 30 hour transit (I can't even imagine that long flying)

Not all in the air, thank goodness!
It started out well - until Madrid:

1 hr in bus to airport
1.5 hr wait
2 hr flight to Madrid
8 hr wait after missing connection (Avoid Madrid airport! We had to go through passport control even though we were departing from the same terminal we arrived at - and they had 2 of 18 stations open for 500+ people!)
7.5 hr flight to Boston
6 hr wait (flight delayed due to weather)
7.5 hr flight to SFO
1.5 hr from airport to home

35 hours!

 

[FelipeBlu]

Now, back to growing..

THIS is a pretty good article with lots of important information. I would tend to look at your P def symptoms as indicative of some factor reducing uptake - rather than there being a need to increase the dose of P. Remember, excess Fe (among other things) is definitely antagonistic to P uptake.

 

[FelipeBlu]

And HERE’s a great post from @InTheShed on the AN nutrient charts

 

[FelipeBlu]

Now, back to growing..

THIS is a pretty good article with lots of important information. I would tend to look at your P def symptoms as indicative of some factor reducing uptake - rather than there being a need to increase the dose of P. Remember, excess Fe (among other things) is definitely antagonistic to P uptake.

A note of caution on the sufficiency ranges in that article - I just noticed that the stated ranges for the micronutrients are very odd - I would NOT provide 100 to 150ppm Fe or 56 to 105ppm Boron - I don’t know if these are typos or what, but those are hardly micronutrient levels!

 

[Verbalist]

Yo Verb!


Just got home from Spain - I have a lot of catching up to do - but this post caught my eye and I wondered if you would provide a link to this study. The graphics are contrary to what I (and some other growers here) believe about P.

You might want to check out the videos HERE and HERE

Aloha brother!
Glad you make it back safe
Heh, I knew Felipes bout to roll in any second to discuss about Phosphprus and effective uptake Thats some good read, I’ll bookmark them as well. Lol theres already pages of studies and recommendations.

As Rexer mentioned youve gotta chill man. 35h makes hell lot of jet lag. Thats one and half days..

Now, back to growing..

THIS is a pretty good article with lots of important information. I would tend to look at your P def symptoms as indicative of some factor reducing uptake - rather than there being a need to increase the dose of P. Remember, excess Fe (among other things) is definitely antagonistic to P uptake.

Almost finished reading this. Much of it that we have already discussed and youve taught me But still lot to learn and bcoz ironic but true I had to change res today once again..
I went for Lucas full str (8ml/g Micro & 16ml/g Bloom) gave me 1.7 EC:
130ppm N
105ppm P
183ppm K
156ppm Ca + tap water
146ppm Mg + tap water

Plant started leeching almost immediately.. topped twice with pure water to lower back to 1.6-1.7 when EC had risen to 1.8/900ppm or she had drank at least 1L.
First appeared slight nutrient burn on tips (just lil tip burnt and curling up) then seems like +100ppm P being excessive for this plant, at this point at least…
Then I guess Phosphorus locked K completely out (Mulders chart here) because Potassium deficiency looking symptoms came this bad in one day:

Obv there was enough Potassium in my res. 183ppm right? Should be enough. So I guess just a slight nutrition inbalance and this picky slut, oops, starts to fight with me.

…So did a res change, flushed the roots with Canna Flush and took GHE Grow back on line:
1ml/l Micro: 55N, 10K, 58Ca
2ml/l Grow: 45N, 10P, 110K
0.8ml/l Bloom: 20P, 30K, 28Mg
N: 100ppm
P: 30ppm
K: 150ppm
1.7 EC / 850ppm

She ate ~150-200ppm worth of something within two hours will top tomorrow with Micro+Bloom combo to remain 1.7 EC

 

[FelipeBlu]

I should be sleepy - it‘s almost midnight in Spain - but I’m wired - so I guess that’s a good thing (?)

Anyway, HERE’s an abstract to a study that I found interesting - about increasing the uptake of certain nutrients from fertilized soil - by spraying other nutrients onto their leaves.

 

[Verbalist]

Yo Verb!


Just got home from Spain - I have a lot of catching up to do - but this post caught my eye and I wondered if you would provide a link to this study. The graphics are contrary to what I (and some other growers here) believe about P.

You might want to check out the videos HERE and HERE

It is kinda funny how AN states on these raports/videos that very little Phosphorus is needed during the whole life cycle.
Then for example their two part bloom ferts has decent 5-4-8NPK, but they recommend using both total 4ml/l or 4ml/l of each during the whole flowering. So if only 4ml (2ml/l of each) that already provides 80-90ppm of Phosphorus

So what to actually trust? Obv noticed going over 100ppm can easily cause problems with my DWC plant

 

[Verbalist]

10/27 | Day 39 | Week 5

Mid week updatós.
Nothing fancy… BB Kush is tall af and thrives.
DWC Critical have had 3x 12hrs night for now and still no signs of calyxes or pistils..

So might start planning new round if Criticals wont progress. Can’t be asked to veg AUTOFLOWERS for over 6 weeks and then yield less what could have done with photos with same veg time.
Still going to continue with autos and DWC/RDWC would be da way to go.
I rather to grow multiple quick strains especially when using Hydro.

And not to mention how many mistakes I would skip with the new plants.

Blackberry Kush
Ive liked this lady from the very beginning

Tiny fluffy nugs formin one day they will be chunky colas

Deep red/purplish almost black shades starting to appear

Critical 2.0 XL (DWC)
As mentioned above did a res change once again with more balanced NPK ratios.

Topped this morning with 1L wheres mixed 0.75ml/Micro, 1.5ml Grow & 0.75ml Bloom so got EC back to 1.7-1.8

150ppm of K is a bit low.. Wish I would have Si armor or some other extra K supplements.

Just bracts and new shoots…

Starting to wonder is this some kind of mutated plant. See how theres already those two vertical V-Shaped bracts. The plant should grow calyxes behind them but looks like its just new pair of bracts comming out

PS. Cold af here… raining like 24/7, cant take the intake from outside or it would rise RH up to 70%

 

[Verbalist]

FUCK MY LIFE!!%#!!

Don’t know if I want to any1 confirm, but just checked inside the cabinet wheres coco Critical……..
POSSIBLE BANANAS……..

Could any cannabis plant with CBD cross have this kind looking ”bud set”?
To me they look fucking hermie bananas..

This whole round has been cursed.
As posted above DWC Critical weird bract growth from nodes…they do not develop like typical fem plants. Im like expecting for two hermies now and swear the god if DWC Critical hermies as well and pollinates BB Kush….. coco Critical at least in a separate closet.

@GardenofGreen Do you have anything to say? Did not order Critical 2.0 XL automatic seeds directly from your own store. Bought them from my local head shop which at least claims to have a nice stock of Af and fem GOG seeds.
Same shop actually does breed some of their own strains, but the owner told me these should be legit.

Im actually kinda pissed right now..

 

[Rexer]

Hey Verbalist, sorry but I can't confirm or say it's not a hermie.

When I try to zoom in on the spot it gets too fuzzy for me to see, hopefully somebody with better eyes can see. Or if/when you get the chance, can you take another pic (hopefully the focus will allow us to zoom in)?

 

[FelipeBlu]

It is kinda funny how AN states on these raports/videos that very little Phosphorus is needed during the whole life cycle.
Then for example their two part bloom ferts has decent 5-4-8NPK, but they recommend using both total 4ml/l or 4ml/l of each during the whole flowering. So if only 4ml (2ml/l of each) that already provides 80-90ppm of Phosphorus

So what to actually trust? Obv noticed going over 100ppm can easily cause problems with my DWC plant

I would go with the science (tissue sample analysis) rather than the marketing department’s recommendations.

 

[Verbalist]

Hey Verbalist, sorry but I can't confirm or say it's not a hermie.

When I try to zoom in on the spot it gets too fuzzy for me to see, hopefully somebody with better eyes can see. Or if/when you get the chance, can you take another pic (hopefully the focus will allow us to zoom in)?

Still dont have a digital scope :| had to use phone magnifier so pics might be still blurry…

Probs getting better ones tomorrow as they grow bigger. But the way how they stack up into clusters. Coco Critical is the lost one… And that odd way how DWC Critical also grows, just like the coco one.

Actually kinda sad how weak genes they had and the overall experience with these Criticals was.
I was hoping for a decent crop even tho there was hella troubles at the beginning.

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• Verbalist
• Oct 27, 2021

Critical possible bananas

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• Verbalist
• Oct 27, 2021

Critical possible bananas (coco)

 

[FelipeBlu]

That looks like male parts to me!

 

[Verbalist]

That looks like male parts to me!

Yas… *sigh*
A big disappointment were expected after a couple succesful rounds. Lol cant be that lucky. Never.

Anyway decided to order new seeds tomorrow!
Strains will be:
Barneys Farm - Purple Punch automatic
(Found this strain verrry exciting! The structure how it grows like monster cropped clone. So imagine that in DWC )
Barneys Farm - Dos-Si-Dos automatic
Finally!
Any suggestions from @Barney's Farm ?

Still wondering which hydro system I should use with DWC.. could buy one more dwc module and make 2x RDWC with max 20-30L res.. No room for a bigger. Or then just another dwc. @Rexer what u think if would build a rdwc using current bucket + buy one module more. I could fit like max 30L res in my grow room. Is that too small? Or something else which could cause troubles with sucha small res?

 

[Rexer]

Hmm to expand your current system-

Maybe something like this?
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