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Buckshot317
Plant of the Month: Mar 2018
On my first run with kit, I just have one plant with some screwed up leaves. But I really believe it's my fault because I didn't give any trans drenches. The others are pretty healthy even being infested with mites.
That sounds like a reasonable plan. All three of mine are in late flower, with the unfortunate Malawi being last in line for a harvest.
If this is a root zone problem, what would be a good solution? Our challenge right now is confidence in the products, but my two healthy ones suggest that may be misplaced. In LOS EWC is first line response, but all of our girls should have been topped with fresh EWC at Recharge.
Graytail left an interesting post at the lab last night. I'm going to approach the guys at the organic soil thread and see what they suggest. At the very least they may be cognizant of what in particular we're dealing with. I'll report back with any insights.
On my first run with kit, I just have one plant with some screwed up leaves. But I really believe it's my fault because I didn't give any trans drenches. The others are pretty healthy even being infested with mites.
You didn't give any Trans drenches Buckshot? What was your motivation for that, if you don't mind me asking?
Buckshot317
Plant of the Month: Mar 2018
I seriously just forgot, I started giving GE drenches and alternating water/trans. For most part my girls have been very happy.
I seriously just forgot, I started giving GE drenches and alternating water/trans. For most part my girls have been very happy.They have nice green color, I don't even worry about the tacoing. I let that go, in past when I would try to correct something it would get crazy lol
Lovely Buckshot.
To be honest, my plants have each only recieved a single Transplant drench before the CAT, and for the most part, the garden is happy. It's curious that so many of us are having the same concerns that appear to be related. Duggan's crop really surprised me. Somethings going on. Until I saw Duggan's girls I just figured I was screwing up again.
I don't like beating myself up like that. If there's something we all did wrong, I'd sure like to know what it was so we can avoid it in the future.
Buckshot317
Plant of the Month: Mar 2018
I've been thinking duggs was genetics, I don't know too much on mixing photos and autos. But I figured there might be some kinks in 1st or 2nd gen until get bugs bred out. Not real live bugs lol. I haven't been on site as much lately, didn't know there was a few having problems. But dynasty and bog seeds live the kit so far
My Malawi was a clone from Neiko, and my clone of her, growing in hempy, is as healthy as she can be, so I don't think it's genetics.
Buckshot317
Plant of the Month: Mar 2018
Yea, I was mostly referring to duggs, with the photo/auto hybrid. Like my environment is perfect, that was first thing I worked on before switching to kit. Kinda odd, isn't. I'm using new formula, but I also use mammoth p and something else, can't remember name. I've been using the 2 since veg
Buckshot317
Plant of the Month: Mar 2018
Photosynthesis plus is name of 2nd product I've been using with kit.
As I said I have 4 plants at day 18 pf. During veg two of them got mostly TP, and the other two got mostly GE. I am trying to learn the kit and what to expect going one route over another. I am scheduled to give Cat drenches in a week. I'm thinking I will give two the Cat Drench and the other two I will not, for a comparison.
My stance is the Kit is innocent till PROVEN guilty. I can feel the tension building here in our group. Right now we have some common concerns that need to be addressed, and that will take some time. What I see is those of us that are affected, need some assurance from Doc that he will help us through this, where ever the problem lies. I believe Doc will come though. It just seems to me that if it was a kit problem we would be seeing more wide spread problems. Is there a way to track the batches of kit products? Why is Doc not reporting any problems, he uses his products right along side of us, and posts magnificent looking plants.
Any mutually agreed upon suggestions of how I can help by using my plants to "test" anything, please let me know how I can help.
No PM's, let's keep it in the open forum for transparency
My stance is the Kit is innocent till PROVEN guilty. I can feel the tension building here in our group. Right now we have some common concerns that need to be addressed, and that will take some time. What I see is those of us that are affected, need some assurance from Doc that he will help us through this, where ever the problem lies. I believe Doc will come though. It just seems to me that if it was a kit problem we would be seeing more wide spread problems. Is there a way to track the batches of kit products? Why is Doc not reporting any problems, he uses his products right along side of us, and posts magnificent looking plants.
Any mutually agreed upon suggestions of how I can help by using my plants to "test" anything, please let me know how I can help.
No PM's, let's keep it in the open forum for transparency
Mag7
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I wonder so I'll ask; Gazoo mentioned The ProMix. I wonder if we've order expired/ ProMix. Obviously my first and second grows are different. Have anyone had to use different soils run? SS is your Malawi possibly in a new run of soil that was cooked because or a mix of new and old?
I ask because if I introduced the TP to the old kit and that wasn't the problem. And I also only gave GE to some plants but they were in a mix of mostly first but some newly cooked first run soil as well but were only slightly affected and now the new grow only has some burnt tips and no signs of the yellow fading that you all have or I had in my previous grow.
My also thought is that I made my situation worse by adding a super strength Destress to an over stressed plant. Maybe we have a combination of issues. Maybe we have a bad batch that we have all received ordered from?
I recall someone a while back mention that they had ordered PM that was an old lot number but before they check they had used it and it had been an extremely hot mix. I wish I could remember who posted that. Just more of my morning thoughts......
I ask because if I introduced the TP to the old kit and that wasn't the problem. And I also only gave GE to some plants but they were in a mix of mostly first but some newly cooked first run soil as well but were only slightly affected and now the new grow only has some burnt tips and no signs of the yellow fading that you all have or I had in my previous grow.
My also thought is that I made my situation worse by adding a super strength Destress to an over stressed plant. Maybe we have a combination of issues. Maybe we have a bad batch that we have all received ordered from?
I recall someone a while back mention that they had ordered PM that was an old lot number but before they check they had used it and it had been an extremely hot mix. I wish I could remember who posted that. Just more of my morning thoughts......
Buckshot317
Plant of the Month: Mar 2018
It would be possible for bad batch of soil. It's just odd, because the other 95% is doing great with kit. Idk, puzzling. My problem is the ones that I don't take pics and post are absolutely killing it. My buddy is paranoid about taking pics.
I hit duggs up for some help and advice at beginning. Since I've just been following directions. Between doc, duggs, ziggs, greytail and few more experienced kit users, they'll figure out what the huck ups are
I hit duggs up for some help and advice at beginning. Since I've just been following directions. Between doc, duggs, ziggs, greytail and few more experienced kit users, they'll figure out what the huck ups are
StoneyMemoirs
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In the specific case of Malawi Sue, for what it's worth, I find it to be finicky, often preferring significantly less feeding. The first time I ran one in the kit, I ended up settling on two plain-waterings between drenches, and it came out great. Just seemed like the right thing to do, and the more I pushed it, the worse she responded. When I backed off, everything clicked into place.
I don't think you're seeing that here per se, but thought it was worth mentioning.
Thank you Stoney.
I've been doing just that, but giving her full drenches, because Neiko assured me the chemovar was a vibrant one, capable of the full drink. Mine is a clone of his.
I agree. Let's stay transparent. Doc and I have something of a contentious relationship, but I'm the one with the loudest voice and no ego, so I guess I'll stick with that discussion.
I've been talking with Doc over at the lab, and we don't think it's the kit, but then it has to be something in the process, doesn't it? I find it hard to accept that all of us, small though the number may be in comparison to the overall customer base, are seeing the same thing occurring at the same time. There must be a good reason, and with that discovery, some adaptation to our approach that could prevent a reaccurance.
We're pretty sure it isn't the kit Mag. We'll figure it out.
StoneyMemoirs
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Thank you Stoney.
Gotta love that! Isn't it nice having someone else get through the first grow and do the homework? As much as I enjoy growing from seed, the assurances of knowing exactly what a given plant wants is worth its weight in gold. I trust your feelings here, and that Neiko is spot on. Let's see what we learn.
Happy Friday gang--let's get this thing figured out.
Stoney
According to Doc, in my case it may be a lack of nutrients in the soil at CAT, which led to starvation.
Thank you Graytail.
I do two plain waterings, well.... 2 TransWater drenches, between regular drenches. I'll switch back to only one water and be able to fit in more Transplant during veg.
That may solve my problem. I don't know about the others. He says Duggan's problem is the soil being overused, but how to explain Gazoo? Doc left a list of potential problems at the Lab - using fabric pots, transplanting too early, or twice, so the root ball isn't fully established, overusing foliars, not using enough Transplant in veg. Of the list I fit the fabric pots - which I doubt is the problem - and the lack of adequate Transplant drenching.
The kit is tremendously reliable, that's why we all use it. It could be something as simple as getting the drench schedules wrong, which isn't such a simple thing, is it? I have two happy girls in this soil. I'm going to take a courageous breath and keep using the kit as directed, with this small adjustment, and expect it to settle into something less stressful.
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My next run will be in first run soil with strains proven in the kit(Neikos BCP).My present plants will finish on straight water and a bit of Tea. This next grow will determine my future.I need to give things a fair chance to work out proper in brand new kit soil.
Docs original directions said to give two straight waterings between Drenches.....i truly believe this is best.....Remember....what we put in our pots...stays there!
Docs original directions said to give two straight waterings between Drenches.....i truly believe this is best.....Remember....what we put in our pots...stays there!