DrZiggy's Low And Slow Drying: Maximizing Your Harvest

SweetSue said:
May I ask your reasoning for making oil only from the leaves? Oil from the buds, either infused or CCO, will be a much better option for anything medicinal. Trim oil is useful, but nowhere near as therapeutic as a good infused oil taken as capsules or used in baking medibles.

You comment just stopped me in my tracks, so I had to ask. :laughtwo:
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Is there any science behind the idea that oil extracted from the buds is better medicinally than that from trim? I ask because I was advised the other day that the trichomes on sugar leaves develops faster than on buds. This is true as my sugar leaves are about 30% amber and only a few amber on buds. So for this to be true, the oil in sugar leaf trichomes would have to be different... hold less of a cannabinoid profile... than the bud trichomes.
 
Randoobula said:
Is there any science behind the idea that oil extracted from the buds is better medicinally than that from trim? I ask because I was advised the other day that the trichomes on sugar leaves develops faster than on buds. This is true as my sugar leaves are about 30% amber and only a few amber on buds. So for this to be true, the oil in sugar leaf trichomes would have to be different... hold less of a cannabinoid profile... than the bud trichomes.
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I'd consider that it'd expand the cannabinoid profile, and I'm not certain I'd expect the oil in the sugar leaf trichomes to be less potent. I read an article about an oil-producing vendor in Colorado somewhere a while back where they claimed that the oil produced on popcorn buds near the lower regions was more powerful than those on the top buds. Doc has always maintained that the oil from the sugar leaves was superior in effect to that formed on buds. Buds produce the largest volume, and thus the greatest overall potency.

When you're creating a medicinal oil you're looking for as complete an inclusion of trichomes from all over the plant in hopes of securing a more complete entourage picture. I haven't read any studies on the different profiles possible from different areas on the plant. When you consider that the entire surface of the plant is covered in trichomes, most only one cell high but all of them containing oil, it makes you sit back in awe at the possibilities. Well.... it does me, but I'm a medicinal cannabis geek. :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
DrZiggy said:
tried shrooms in the 70s several years before trying herb..true!
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Last time was in the 70s for me as well. Funny, I just watched a couple of TED talks today about psychedelics and shrooms in particular. Studies have been going on and it's pretty interesting as it supports my theories about the ego and human condition. We get stuck in our programmed mindsets because our thinking minds process thru our default neuron pathways established early in life and reinforced as we mature. Shrooms block those neurons causing the brain to make new pathways/connections and it's believed access to the subconscious mind. I may just have to give them at try again!!
 
Randoobula said:
Last time was in the 70s for me as well. Funny, I just watched a couple of TED talks today about psychedelics and shrooms in particular. Studies have been going on and it's pretty interesting as it supports my theories about the ego and human condition. We get stuck in our programmed mindsets because our thinking minds process thru our default neuron pathways established early in life and reinforced as we mature. Shrooms block those neurons causing the brain to make new pathways/connections and it's believed access to the subconscious mind. I may just have to give them at try again!!
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I did not know this. Can you share the names of the TED talks? I'm not certain we can share the links here, but I'd like to watch these and I can find them by title.
 
SweetSue said:
I'd consider that it'd expand the cannabinoid profile, and I'm not certain I'd expect the oil in the sugar leaf trichomes to be less potent. I read an article about an oil-producing vendor in Colorado somewhere a while back where they claimed that the oil produced on popcorn buds near the lower regions was more powerful than those on the top buds. Doc has always maintained that the oil from the sugar leaves was superior in effect to that formed on buds. Buds produce the largest volume, and thus the greatest overall potency.

When you're creating a medicinal oil you're looking for as complete an inclusion of trichomes from all over the plant in hopes of securing a more complete entourage picture. I haven't read any studies on the different profiles possible from different areas on the plant. When you consider that the entire surface of the plant is covered in trichomes, most only one cell high but all of them containing oil, it makes you sit back in awe at the possibilities. Well.... it does me, but I'm a medicinal cannabis geek. :cheesygrinsmiley:
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So am I!! I sure wish there were affordable test equipment for peeps like us. Imagine how much faster our knowledge would grow if we were all testing and experimenting. The potential has no end!
 
Randoobula said:
So am I!! I sure wish there were affordable test equipment for peeps like us. Imagine how much faster our knowledge would grow if we were all testing and experimenting. The potential has no end!
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One of my hopeful dreams for the future includes accessible testing of your buds and products with minimal charges, so home growers can afford to really experiment and refine. I can see the value of a nationwide co-op testing empire. Such a dreamer! :dreamy:
 
SweetSue said:
One of my hopeful dreams for the future includes accessible testing of your buds and products with minimal charges, so home growers can afford to really experiment and refine. I can see the value of a nationwide co-op testing empire. Such a dreamer! :dreamy:
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Someday....

I can get it tested locally for like $35 a sample....
Be nice to do it myself for sure
 
SweetSue said:
One of my hopeful dreams for the future includes accessible testing of your buds and products with minimal charges, so home growers can afford to really experiment and refine. I can see the value of a nationwide co-op testing empire. Such a dreamer! :dreamy:
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That would be awesome! I've been thinking more along the line of creating a central database for anecdotal evidences of the effectiveness of different strains by symptom sets associated with different diseases and health issues. I have an idea for how that information can be obtained from individual caregivers, dispensaries, clinics, etc while being of the greatest help to those treating themselves with cannabis. I need people way smarter than I am though to put it together.

Also a network of growers and caregivers to provide tested material to patients in need but either don't have access and can't grow or don't have the money. That would include an underground network for those in illegal states. People are suffering and dying needlessly! It's insane.

I AM working on it. Anyone interested in it from brainstorming to participation might pm me and see where it goes.
 
Tonight I cut the tops of three lower branches of a B-Witched plant that will be chopped tomorrow. One was rinsed in 3% H2O2 diluted 10:1, so about 0.3% concentration , followed by a hot water bath then cold water. Another got the lemon and soda treatment with the washes. The last one was not washed.

I cloth towel dried most of the water off and trimmed the sugar leaves off. Then I hit them with about four 5 second microwave blast allowing them to cool between. They have a fan blowing on them now. Tomorrow I will finish drying them in the microwave and test the three.

After the radiation and a little drying, I would say the lemon soda has the best overall looks and color with the H2O2 a close second. The unwashed one does not hold up to the others for color.

Cough report in the morning.
 
Scorpio420 said:
Someday....

I can get it tested locally for like $35 a sample....
Be nice to do it myself for sure
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I heard it's $75 here in Anchorage and I believe there is only one lab in the state. I don't k is what that includes either... I've look at bud in the dispensaries and many only list THC, but then the industry is almost entirely geared toward recreational. They even raided dispensaries and removed CBD hemp oil from their shelves. Crazy. If it isn't from and by Alaskans at run through the state board it isn't allowed.
 
SweetSue said:
I did not know this. Can you share the names of the TED talks? I'm not certain we can share the links here, but I'd like to watch these and I can find them by title.
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Here's a couple that I watched today. YouTube search will pull these up

Psychedelics: Lifting the veil / Robin Carhart-Harris

Psychedelics: the effects on the human brain and physiology / Simeon Keremedgiev

"Stoners coming out" is a good one too on the same page as these
 
Canyon said:
Tonight I cut the tops of three lower branches of a B-Witched plant that will be chopped tomorrow. One was rinsed in 3% H2O2 diluted 10:1, so about 0.3% concentration , followed by a hot water bath then cold water. Another got the lemon and soda treatment with the washes. The last one was not washed.

I cloth towel dried most of the water off and trimmed the sugar leaves off. Then I hit them with about four 5 second microwave blast allowing them to cool between. They have a fan blowing on them now. Tomorrow I will finish drying them in the microwave and test the three.

After the radiation and a little drying, I would say the lemon soda has the best overall looks and color with the H2O2 a close second. The unwashed one does not hold up to the others for color.

Cough report in the morning.
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H2O2,
Last night I let a small fan blow across the samples for about 6 hours. After about another 6 hours of air drying only the very small buds were dry enough to smoke. I tried about two hits of each. The unwashed one was noticeably harsher than the other two.

The unwashed dried first as I expected. The lemon & soda one soaked up more water than the H2O2 one and dried the slowest.

I sampled them throughout the day and kept looking at them with a loop. It is hard to make too much from comparing force dried popcorn...ish buds, but I am going with the H2O2 for the two plants I cut down today.

I did not get them washed but they are trimmed and in the frig. Tomorrow, they get a bath and into bags for the long chill. Maybe I will member to get a wet weight.
 
Canyon said:
H2O2,
Last night I let a small fan blow across the samples for about 6 hours. After about another 6 hours of air drying only the very small buds were dry enough to smoke. I tried about two hits of each. The unwashed one was noticeably harsher than the other two.

The unwashed dried first as I expected. The lemon & soda one soaked up more water than the H2O2 one and dried the slowest.

I sampled them throughout the day and kept looking at them with a loop. It is hard to make too much from comparing force dried popcorn…ish buds, but I am going with the H2O2 for the two plants I cut down today.

I did not get them washed but they are trimmed and in the frig. Tomorrow, they get a bath and into bags for the long chill. Maybe I will member to get a wet weight.
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Canyon..... :hugs: :Love:

I have a harvest coming down tomorrow or Friday. I'll wash some with H2O2 and some with lemon and baking soda and do my own comparison. I already knew unwashed was harsher, so I'll pass on that. I can let a couple buds air dry so I can taste them earlier than weeks from now.
 
Ok spent some time on the Keg-O-Rater. Made some shelves, they seem strong enough, and the Dehydrator old shelves seem like they will work Good, they are bent down a bit because a couple are a bit too wide, Ill adjust those as well

Ill try this Today after I harvest my last 3 autos

Now I just need to clean it

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