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I used to travel a lot for work. You would be surprised how many hotel employees (concierge, bartenders, busboys) can hook you up.Find a convenience store that's out of papers, and hang out until you hear someone unsuccessfully try to buy a pack. Walk past while muttering, "I wish I had something to put in mine."
We used to drive up to Canadian Niagra. Bring our bud to smoke on the way. Stop at the McDonald's before the border and bury it under the rocks by the flag pole in the lot.Yeah, most of them will happily sell you anything you want, for the right price. Not excluding their sister, apparently. But you'd find it difficult to buy their silence, so that way lies a risky path.
At least with a random stranger, there's a chance that the information he gleans from your transaction... will not figure prominently in his next one.
"Effects of NaCl application to hydroponic nutrient solution on fruit characteristics of tomato (Lycopersicon esculentum Mill.)"
NaCl was applied to nutrient solution (5 dS m−1 versus 1.4 dS m−1 in the control) of hydroponically-grown tomato and its effects on taste grading and chemical composition of fruit were investigated. Taste panels indicated NaCl treatment increased sweetness, acidity, umami (i.e. the taste of deliciousness) and overall preference. Hexose concentration of the fruit grown on NaCl treated plants significantly increased; and at the same time, chloric ion, organic and amino acids in general had higher concentrations in NaCl treated plants than the control. Our results showed that (1) consumer grading of the tomato fruit was influenced not only by sugar content but also by the organic and amino acids; (2) increased concentration of soluble solids in the fruit of NaCl treated plants was not the result of simple overall condensation due to the reduction of water transport. The relation of diversified consumer preference, fruit chemical composition, and appropriate evaluation of tomato fruit are also discussed.
Oh yea!!!! I knew she was gonna kill the drought! She just has the perfect stature for it! Looking amazing Burk! Can't wait to see the end result!Day 6 of drought , coming along great so far. Not going to get technical just happy pics
That seems like it would it more difficult to get the effects we're trying to achieve through droughting.He continued to do this, droughting mothering plants and then cloning and putting them through droughts again. Each time, the plant was more resistant to the effects of the drought conditions as they actually had morphological changes over time as the plant put the droughts in its memory bank.
Did he define "more robust"? We don't want more robust plants that are less inclined to suffer with droughting, do we? Isn't it the struggle with drought that triggers the increases in cannabinoids?The plants that were exposed to drought were more robust than those that were not.
Hello, Krissi! Long time no chat.So I listened to a talk today on YouTube I thought was quite interesting.
A professor from Emory Univerisity has been studying drought stress on plants (not cannabis, specifically but plants).
What he found, I thought to be quite useful to us and the basis for another droughting experiment. He noted that a plant that has been droughted, stores that memory of the drought. He took some plants and placed them in drought conditions. One set were droughted before and the others, not droughted previously. He then compared them to eachother after implementing another drought.
He continued to do this, droughting mothering plants and then cloning and putting them through droughts again. Each time, the plant was more resistant to the effects of the drought conditions as they actually had morphological changes over time as the plant put the droughts in its memory bank.
The plants that were exposed to drought were more robust than those that were not.
It made me think back to my 1st droughter, Ammy, a photoperiod Amnesia. I monster cropped her and her clone was so resilient in the drought it was amazing. I mentioned in here a while back that I wondered if she remembered the drought from her mom. With this research I just read, I think she did.
She was already packing on extra trichs and getting stickier than she normally would have been around the time that her drought would have began. Then by the end of drought, she was ridiculously covered.
My thought is to clone multiple times, the same plant, and see how they are each differently affected by the drought. We could be on to a really interesting super crop if we keep exposing the same plant to drought over and over again and having them get stronger because of it.
Here are some of Ammy Jr's droughted buds and she only droughted for 2.5 days.
I am basing this off of the fact that we have 1 study, 1 experiment we are working with. How do we know that cloning a droughted plant wouldn't produce a more drought friendly plant with the 'memory'of increasing trichome production at X amount of time in development to protect itself like its mother had prior?That seems like it would it more difficult to get the effects we're trying to achieve through droughting.
Robust in higher yields from the previously droughted plants in comparison to those whose mothers were not droughted. He also noted that they were healthier and more vibrant plants as well.Did he define "more robust"? We don't want more robust plants that are less inclined to suffer with droughting, do we? Isn't it the struggle with drought that triggers the increases in cannabinoids?
Hi buddy. It's called a monster crop and generally isn't done as late as I did mine. To be honest Scott, idk how my stick became what she did. I had no idea what I was doing, no prior experience with even regular cloning. This is why I think heck, anything I see that seems like a well maybe, I feel like I have to at least tryHello, Krissi! Long time no chat.
Very nice posting, looking forward to my first drought endeavor and now even more so.
What perplexes me is that if you clone AFTER drought, you are well into flowering stage. I've read that you can re-veg the flower but I didn't think that you could do it that late in the flowering
This may tie into some of the previously linked studies and their observations of diminishing returns on repeated droughts, and the need for longer droughts to have the same effect.That seems like it would it more difficult to get the effects we're trying to achieve through droughting.
Did he define "more robust"? We don't want more robust plants that are less inclined to suffer with droughting, do we? Isn't it the struggle with drought that triggers the increases in cannabinoids?
I would venture to think the length of time of drought would change and maybe even when we drought or how oftenThis may tie into some of the previously linked studies and their observations of diminishing returns on repeated droughts, and the need for longer droughts to have the same effect.
See my thought here is that the plant may (remember we don't know either way cause it wasn't tried on cannabis YET) say to itself hey, let's ramp up in case that shit happens again, the seeds are protected. Cause that's what this is mainly for right? Ramping up to protect the seeds the plant feels are in jeopardy. If we train clones to constantly think this is going to happen, maybe, just maybe, they will continuously amp up production. But hell, maybe they won't cause they know they don't really need to and they'll make it and the plant will change it's overall dynamics like in the phenotypic plasticity/morphology experiment where the plant began to develop aerial leaves submerged in water and vice versa when continuously put into extenuating circumstances. Maybe we won't see a change in trichomes but a change in shape or leaf design. Either way, I don't know cause I haven't tried and I'm gonna guess no one else has either since we haven't heard about it.For example a plant that has adapted to drought conditions may take 22 days of drought to show the same effects as a plant experiencing drought for the first time would at 11 days. It's the stress/survival response that triggers the increase in resin production, and a plant that's used to being droughted will be less stressed about it. "No big deal human... I've done this before."
I appreciate this. I appreciate ALL AND ANY insight here guys and gals. We won't know til we try and there's so many "I wonders" roaming aroundThis makes the old guerilla in me think repeated droughts in veg would be an excellent training/hardening off technique for plants that will be moved outside to a location where you maybe couldn't be there to water them regularly.
Here's the link again to the previous study, and here's the excerpt from the conclusion about repeated drought stress:I would venture to think the length of time of drought would change and maybe even when we drought or how often
See my thought here is that the plant may (remember we don't know either way cause it wasn't tried on cannabis YET) say to itself hey, let's ramp up in case that shit happens again, the seeds are protected. Cause that's what this is mainly for right? Ramping up to protect the seeds the plant feels are in jeopardy. If we train clones to constantly think this is going to happen, maybe, just maybe, they will continuously amp up production. But hell, maybe they won't cause they know they don't really need to and they'll make it and the plant will change it's overall dynamics like in the phenotypic plasticity/morphology experiment where the plant began to develop aerial leaves submerged in water and vice versa when continuously put into extenuating circumstances. Maybe we won't see a change in trichomes but a change in shape or leaf design. Either way, I don't know cause I haven't tried and I'm gonna guess no one else has either since we haven't heard about it.
I appreciate this. I appreciate ALL AND ANY insight here guys and gals. We won't know til we try and there's so many "I wonders" roaming around
That would be an excellent result, and I look forward to the tests.If we train clones to constantly think this is going to happen, maybe, just maybe, they will continuously amp up production.
We don't know, but that's not what he studied. He also probably didn't study a plant that is droughted just before it dies like ours. Any experiment on cannabis would need to have you reveg the droughted plant after harvest and then cloned and reflowered, and the process repeated to gauge successive droughts.How do we know that cloning a droughted plant wouldn't produce a more drought friendly plant with the 'memory'of increasing trichome production at X amount of time in development to protect itself like its mother had prior?
There's obviously nothing wrong with healthier and more vibrant, but neither of those two things, nor higher yields, are our goals with droughting though. Definitely things we want though!Robust in higher yields from the previously droughted plants in comparison to those whose mothers were not droughted. He also noted that they were healthier and more vibrant plants as well.
One study done in a lab under controlled conditions with access to expensive cannabinoid testing. It's only because of any of that many folks will listen to the results, otherwise it's more anecdote, conjecture, opinion, and potential bro-science.One study got us here.
Maybe, but each cannabinoid test costs me $75 and that looks like you would need to do a lot of testing before you could make any conclusive statement. I'm all for doing research as long as the research is legit. None of us has actually re-run Caplan's tests to see if we are close to replicating his results.Maybe it won't work. Maybe it will be counter productive. Maybe it will negatively affect the way the cannabis plant handles the drought. Maybe it will not ramp up production of trichomes.
True, which could mean that instead of 11 days of drought it might take 22 to get the same result. How would that benefit us when we can do it in less time.For example a plant that has adapted to drought conditions may take 22 days of drought to show the same effects as a plant experiencing drought for the first time would at 11 days. It's the stress/survival response that triggers the increase in resin production, and a plant that's used to being droughted will be less stressed about it. "No big deal human... I've done this before."
That would be an excellent use for this technique if it worked as you describe it!This makes the old guerilla in me think repeated droughts in veg would be an excellent training/hardening off technique for plants that will be moved outside to a location where you maybe couldn't be there to water them regularly.
If only we had millions of dollars, thousands of square feet of grow space, and our own testing lab .That would be an excellent result, and I look forward to the tests.
We don't know, but that's not what he studied. He also probably didn't study a plant that is droughted just before it dies like ours. Any experiment on cannabis would need to have you reveg the droughted plant after harvest and then cloned and reflowered, and the process repeated to gauge successive droughts.
There's obviously nothing wrong with healthier and more vibrant, but neither of those two things, nor higher yields, are our goals with droughting though. Definitely things we want though!
One study done in a lab under controlled conditions with access to expensive cannabinoid testing. It's only because of any of that many folks will listen to the results, otherwise it's more anecdote, conjecture, opinion, and potential bro-science.
Maybe, but each cannabinoid test costs me $75 and that looks like you would need to do a lot of testing before you could make any conclusive statement. I'm all for doing research as long as the research is legit. None of us has actually re-run Caplan's tests to see if we are close to replicating his results.
True, which could mean that instead of 11 days of drought it might take 22 to get the same result. How would that benefit us when we can do it in less time.
That would be an excellent use for this technique if it worked as you describe it!
THIS though @InTheShed. If only we had all of this, it would get me to stop watching videos of a canna life that could be. I'm a test monkey. I'll be the test monkey for all these crazy ideas I think may work lol be funny to see me start trying to clone all the time since I've only done it once...I'm gonna end up with another room just for cloning experimentsIf only we had millions of dollars, thousands of square feet of grow space, and our own testing lab .
You know what Grow, I appreciate you looking into it and thank you for giving us another check marker in the Indica/Sativa phenotype discussion. It's refreshing just to know that there are so many others out there willing to experiment with me despite how much of a newb I am and how much 'newbery' is here in the drought club.Interesting stuff, which I have been toying with too
Not convinced droughting at the very end is the best idea apart from making drying easier, so I have tried a short drought around week 5/6 to see if I can induce the trichomes earlier, so they have more time to resin/ripen
The Indica phenotype responded better than the Sativa, but still not convinced it makes much difference