Droughting and its medicinal effects in cannabis

[nivek]

i am for sure going to turn this into a project,, timing is so good. perhaps a journal as well,, thot needed on that,,

mama thai/ thai stick,, the last two i grew of this were/are superb,, earthy dirt taste as me missus describes,, i sex them while still in solo cups so the size is perhaps lagging a bit,, but not the health

pineapple chunk/golden tiger,, perhaps 70/30 sativa indica,, but who really knows,, wimpy one got sexed and transplanted yesterday,, actually, i have not had the best luck with this plant yet,, but i sure know it's potential,, from it's breeder, who is @Weaselcracker actually, but a bit mia these days,, but a true pro,, i wonder what he would say about droughting?

blueberrys,, from seeds i made from pollen collected from a very late nanner on my second last blueberry,, i will be interested to see these grow

looks a bit rough indeed,, not enuf respect while in them solo cups,, but finding the reservoir and happy as all get out

karma sent friends,, lovin the science project this year teach,, many thanks

 

[Azimuth]

i am for sure going to turn this into a project,, timing is so good. perhaps a journal as well,, thot needed on that,,

mama thai/ thai stick,, the last two i grew of this were/are superb,, earthy dirt taste as me missus describes,, i sex them while still in solo cups so the size is perhaps lagging a bit,, but not the health

pineapple chunk/golden tiger,, perhaps 70/30 sativa indica,, but who really knows,, wimpy one got sexed and transplanted yesterday,, actually, i have not had the best luck with this plant yet,, but i sure know it's potential,, from it's breeder, who is @Weaselcracker actually, but a bit mia these days,, but a true pro,, i wonder what he would say about droughting?

blueberrys,, from seeds i made from pollen collected from a very late nanner on my second last blueberry,, i will be interested to see these grow

looks a bit rough indeed,, not enuf respect while in them solo cups,, but finding the reservoir and happy as all get out

karma sent friends,, lovin the science project this year teach,, many thanks

Do you find any increase in Hermie's if growing from seed via nanners?

 

[Joe Brewster]

Because you have pulled out what you are going to pull out of her oil wise and the last part would be to give it a shot to finish bulking it if has more time...we know that adding moisture will plump the buds again and do no harm to the work we just did building up those oils in the trichomes

I give it that last watering so the small leaf is easier to trim plus the resin don't stick to my fingers & scissors as bad
I will water , next day trim all big leaves & then next day cut branches & trim small leaves, hang branches to dry

helps also to break up all the cutting & work I have to do at harvest ( harvest gives me a back ache )

 

[Azimuth]

I give it that last watering so the small leaf is easier to trim plus the resin don't stick to my fingers & scissors as bad
I will water , next day trim all big leaves & then next day cut branches & trim small leaves, hang branches to dry

helps also to break up all the cutting & work I have to do at harvest ( harvest gives me a back ache )

Ok. That makes sense. It's reasons away from moisture in the buds, but very practical for the final phase.

 

[nivek]

@Azimuth

just my thinking,, a nanner late in flower is not the same as a hermie nanner,, a nanner late in flower is much more stable, my thinking only

personally, early in my grow experience,, i used pollen from hermies to make seeds,, i still have the seeds, and grow one or two every once in a while,, and i find,, tho they hermie,, they hermie later in flower (still dif than a late in flower nanner) and can be pretty easily controlled and i harvest them early,, which, again, imo, adds to the psychoactive qualities a bit,, tho i will find little agreement about that i know

edit,, i think what i was meaning to say there is that, even when growing out a seed from a hermie,, if one really eliminates the conditions that caused the original plant to hermie, the next generation hermie can be controled a bit, and is not nearly as early onsetting or as dangerous,,

again,, my opinion only

 

[Mayne]

At week 7 I will have another 3 weeks left. That's a 3rd of my flower wasted. And possibly losing the last week. If your plants have "made it" at week 7 why do we crop when the trichomes tell us. Even on so called 9 week crops I've had to wait 11 weeks. I'm sorry krissi we can't/won't ever agree on this one.

Im just gettting into this thread for the read. This is, so far, the reason Im feeding till last 2 days before darkness. Im in a sense going to be droughting, but for 8 days, to END the plants life. ( 2-3 days no water before 5 days darkness. )

Darkness does 2 things, It DOES add more intense THC profile, and it reduces the starch in the bud significantly, ( happens every night when lights out )

I always a firm believer, that #1, flushing isnt going to make your buds taste better, and #2, cutting off essiancation nutriments 2-3 weeks before harvest is mindless, since every plant, gives that last push to the finish line if everything is running right. I also think people chop to early, as a plant can literally go 15-25 days after its finished, to just get better.

I dont say i drought my plants, but, i do let them dry out more then most coco growers it seems, lol.. Surely not bone dry, but pretty close to soil guildlines of dry before watering schedule. I be stressing the chicks to the hilt, LOL..

 

[Moony]

Im just gettting into this thread for the read. This is, so far, the reason Im feeding till last 2 days before darkness. Im in a sense going to be droughting, but for 8 days, to END the plants life. ( 2-3 days no water before 5 days darkness. )

Darkness does 2 things, It DOES add more intense THC profile, and it reduces the starch in the bud significantly, ( happens every night when lights out )

I always a firm believer, that #1, flushing isnt going to make your buds taste better, and #2, cutting off essiancation nutriments 2-3 weeks before harvest is mindless, since every plant, gives that last push to the finish line if everything is running right. I also think people chop to early, as a plant can literally go 15-25 days after its finished, to just get better.

I dont say i drought my plants, but, i do let them dry out more then most coco growers it seems, lol.. Surely not bone dry, but pretty close to soil guildlines of dry before watering schedule. I be stressing the chicks to the hilt, LOL..

I understand that you are late on this one and catching up. But I decided that I wouldn't talk about this here as discussion isn't what this thread is for. If you'd like to discuss things openly from both sides please come to my journal and we can talk.

 

[nivek]

#2, cutting off essiancation nutriments 2-3 weeks before harvest is mindless, since every plant, gives that last push to the finish line if everything is running right.

well, in this case,, the scientific study completely contradicts that comment

i might add that, again, in my knowledge,, that feeding less and less nutes to a flowering cannabis plant the closer it gets to harvest is completely common knowledge and practice by near all good growers i know,, admittedly, i only know growers on a cpl forums

so, point being,, feeding zero nutes for the last eleven days just pushes the less nutes practice a bit/lot further

 

[PlanetJ]

the scientific study completely contradicts that comment

if we are reading the same study, that is with a drought resistant plant and not easily reproduced in just any plant. Grain and maize does not seem to give better yields under drought conditions, for instance. There is research going on from what I gather, and if you happen to have a cultivar that is drought resistant, this might be something that would help you increase yield, if done correctly. If you dont have such a cultivar, you probably better dont do this.

I'm not sure if I buy into 'all cannabis strains are drought resistant', but I would happily accept some are.

We cant link here, can we?

 

[nivek]

if we are reading the same study, that is with a drought resistant plant and not easily reproduced in just any plant. Grain and maize does not seem to give better yields under drought conditions, for instance. There is research going on from what I gather, and if you happen to have a cultivar that is drought resistant, this might be something that would help you increase yield, if done correctly. If you dont have such a cultivar, you probably better dont do this.

I'm not sure if I buy into 'all cannabis strains are drought resistant', but I would happily accept some are.

We cant link here, can we?

it is the increase in essential oils that is important here,, and as the study states,, there is ample already known information and proven results for many other essential oil producing plants,, that droughting increases oil production

the theory had simply not been tested with cannabis before,, cuz not allowed,, under penalty of death

 

[Azimuth]

I understand that you are late on this one and catching up. But I decided that I wouldn't talk about this here as discussion isn't what this thread is for. If you'd like to discuss things openly from both sides please come to my journal and we can talk.

So, you wouldn't even try one plant, one time?

 

[Azimuth]

Grain and maize does not seem to give better yields under drought conditions, for instance.

It's not an increase in overall yields of the plant, but an increase in frost on the buds.

 

[Moony]

I didn't want to get into this. Let me just put it this way. If I only cared about the THC I'd turn my whole crop into concentrate. I care about providing a quality product which looks good AND gets you stoned. Now as I stated above I don't feel this is the place to discuss this. Krissi made this thread as a guide to help people who wanted to try this method not somewhere to have a giant argument. If you'd like to discuss this with me specifically please do in message or in my journal. But in this thread I will no longer be responding in a show of respect to krissi.

 

[PlanetJ]

It's not an increase in overall yields of the plant, but an increase in frost on the buds.

Which contributes to a higher yield, the way I look at it.

@nivek brought up a point I hadn't considered yet, oils as the increasing part, not plant matter an sich.

Will dig some more, I like the rabbit hole so far

 

[Azimuth]

I didn't want to get into this. Let me just put it this way. If I only cared about the THC I'd turn my whole crop into concentrate. I care about providing a quality product which looks good AND gets you stoned. Now as I stated above I don't feel this is the place to discuss this. Krissi made this thread as a guide to help people who wanted to try this method not somewhere to have a giant argument. If you'd like to discuss this with me specifically please do in message or in my journal. But in this thread I will no longer be responding in a show of respect to krissi.

Ok. Fair enough.

Not every technique is for everybody.

 

[Azimuth]

Which contributes to a higher yield, the way I look at it.

@nivek brought up a point I hadn't considered yet, oils as the increasing part, not plant matter an sich.

Will dig some more, I like the rabbit hole so far

Right. Your quote referenced corn which in that case would be an increase in overall yield if it worked out. For us it's the frost on the bud that is allegedly increased.

In corn, draught likely leads to lower yields.

 

[Maritimer]

I'm actually moving away from a peat based mix in favor of aged leaf mold.

Ahoy Az,
Just returned from a pleasant but cold afternoon ride thru the woods (thinking place for me) and have come to the conclusion you are a very talented and knowledgeable gardener, and I am glad you are participating in this evolving thread. You have more than just sparked my curiosity, so please consider dropping by my straw hat thread to explain a bit about the substrate you are running. My little researcher mind is blowing up with ideas and plotting studies to examine the different foliar sources (trees) for your base. Lots of ideas, wow. You might get a promotion out of this at this rate.
Thanks again
Dave

 

[nivek]

Ahoy Az,
Just returned from a pleasant but cold afternoon ride thru the woods (thinking place for me) and have come to the conclusion you are a very talented and knowledgeable gardener, and I am glad you are participating in this evolving thread. You have more than just sparked my curiosity, so please consider dropping by my straw hat thread to explain a bit about the substrate you are running. My little researcher mind is blowing up with ideas and plotting studies to examine the different foliar sources (trees) for your base. Lots of ideas, wow. You might get a promotion out of this at this rate.
Thanks again
Dave

i know of a member here who battled with natural peat as a substrate for while and tried to tame it,, the ph battle was too much

then, on another forum,, there is a discussion on building ones own nutes,, and another 'real scientist', the real deal, had written a program to mix the salts, etc.. long story even longer

the real scientist gave a very detailed post about using peat as a substrate and how nearly impossible it is to use effectively. because of ph and possibly other reasons

just thot i might mention that cuz i have never read about anyone else using peat,, cot my attention

edit,, and i really have no idea if we are even talkin the same thing,, ha

 

[Azimuth]

Ahoy Az,
Just returned from a pleasant but cold afternoon ride thru the woods (thinking place for me) and have come to the conclusion you are a very talented and knowledgeable gardener, and I am glad you are participating in this evolving thread. You have more than just sparked my curiosity, so please consider dropping by my straw hat thread to explain a bit about the substrate you are running. My little researcher mind is blowing up with ideas and plotting studies to examine the different foliar sources (trees) for your base. Lots of ideas, wow. You might get a promotion out of this at this rate.
Thanks again
Dave

Ha! You are too kind. I'm more of a curious gardener. But I do like to experiment (some of which are described in my "Plant Alchemy" thread).

I'd be happy to share my thoughts. Just point me to where you'd like me to show up.

 

[Azimuth]

i know of a member here who battled with natural peat as a substrate for while and tried to tame it,, the ph battle was too much

then, on another forum,, there is a discussion on building ones own nutes,, and another 'real scientist', the real deal, had written a program to mix the salts, etc.. long story even longer

the real scientist gave a very detailed post about using peat as a substrate and how nearly impossible it is to use effectively. because of ph and possibly other reasons

just thot i might mention that cuz i have never read about anyone else using peat,, cot my attention

edit,, and i really have no idea if we are even talkin the same thing,, ha

Lest I give anyone here the wrong impression, I am referencing CSPM (Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss) which, if I'm not mistaken, is the stuff in Promix.

But yes, pH issues are one factor. My main issue is how hard it is to rehydrate once it dries out. Drives me nuts!