Dr.Seeds Prescribes The Widow & The Alien ️️

[SQl2kGuy]

Gummies!! These photos are from a batch I made a couple of months ago, using @Preston9mm and @Dutchman1990's recipes. They turn out really well. I have tweaked a little (reduced the gelatin a bit, and use a double boiler for better temp control). More important, the last batch I made used my homegrown Purple Kush - don't have pictures, but used grape Jello in keeping with the purple theme. They pack quite a kick! A couple of gummies neither Mrs. Bard nor I are moving from the couch. Perfect for the long weekend. Now craving fudge.

Bon appetite!

Mmmmmmm ... I will pass this on to the girlfriend ... and I'll do the fudge!

And the Nutella!!! Can I have a HELL YEAH folks!!!

 

[SQl2kGuy]

Alright @MrSauga ... it was a real pleasure reading your journal ... you've got a nice gang of people here to share in your spectacular outdoor grow.

I am sure @DrSeeds is very impressed with how this grow is going, ... and I wouldn't be surprised if they reach out to you to do a follow up sponsored grow.

Oh ... please make sure you enter their photo contest ... Dr. Seeds - Photo Contest ... you've got some awesome shots here!

And everyone here should be interested in this too ... Dr. Seeds - Grow Journal Sponsorship

It's late and I still need to do a final full-flush on my autoflowers tonight ... I guess I'll have to read @The Bard 's journal later this week.

Have a great week everyone ...

 

[Virgin Ground]

Alright ... Thanks so much for finding that ... and I will look that up this week sometime.

OMG ... Nutella ... I love that on toast!

Yum! Just Yum!
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I hope it didn't seem like I was passing the buck. I just thought that their recipes are probably better than mine (maybe) and they have video tutorials for many of their recipes. I was surprised at how many recipes that they have on their site.

A couple of weeks ago I froze some nutella in disc shapes on some wax paper and made nutella stuffed pancakes. Take that, diet!!! Lol. They are even better than they sound.

 

[Bean 7175]

Day 89 Update

Hey everybody!
Just some pics here, but first I just want to say, what a lovely shade of green these girls are showing

The girls should be showing some pistils within a week or two. They are doing well, even with the last feeding which put my PPM at 1185 and the EC at 2.5. I'm not sure why it went so high but I screwed up somewhere. I'll have to pay closer to attention to detail, but man that shade of green really distracts me.

White Widow

• MrSauga
• Aug 5, 2019

White Widow_a

• MrSauga
• Aug 5, 2019

White Widow_b

• MrSauga
• Aug 5, 2019

Gorilla Alien

• MrSauga
• Aug 5, 2019

Gorilla Alien_a

• MrSauga
• Aug 5, 2019

MrSauga those are some mighty fine looking plants you have. What are you feeding them? The day has begun.

 

[MrSauga]

It's late and I still need to do a final full-flush on my autoflowers tonight

Oh my, that's such a nasty thing to do to your plants
I know most people will tell you to flush, and they may even sound like they know what they are talking about, but pre-harvest flushing does nothing to the plant but stress it out.

"Preharvest flushing puts the plant(s) under serious stress. The plant has to deal with nutrient deficiencies in a very important part of its cycle. Strong changes in the amount of dissolved substances in the root-zone stress the roots, possibly to the point of direct physical damage to them. Many immobile elements are no more available for further metabolic processes. We are loosing the fan leaves and damage will show likely on new growth as well."

Check both these links out before Shed has a second thought about posting. I know he's sitting on his hands right now hoping I mention it

A critical look at preharvest flushing
https://atrium.lib.uoguelph.ca/xmlu...2_Msc_with_erratum.pdf?sequence=8&isAllowed=y

MrSauga those are some mighty fine looking plants you have. What are you feeding them?

Thanks Bean...several growers like myself use MegaCrop. If you are interested they have a free sample($5.00 shipping) you can try. Visit Greenleaf Nutrients for more info.

 

[Dutchman1990]

#noflushclub

 

[Bean 7175]

Oh my, that's such a nasty thing to do to your plants
I know most people will tell you to flush, and they may even sound like they know what they are talking about, but pre-harvest flushing does nothing to the plant but stress it out.

"Preharvest flushing puts the plant(s) under serious stress. The plant has to deal with nutrient deficiencies in a very important part of its cycle. Strong changes in the amount of dissolved substances in the root-zone stress the roots, possibly to the point of direct physical damage to them. Many immobile elements are no more available for further metabolic processes. We are loosing the fan leaves and damage will show likely on new growth as well."

Check both these links out before Shed has a second thought about posting. I know he's sitting on his hands right now hoping I mention it

A critical look at preharvest flushing
DSpace


Thanks Bean...several growers like myself use MegaCrop. If you are interested they have a free sample($5.00 shipping) you can try. Visit Greenleaf Nutrients for more info.

Morning MrSauga I tried to grow in coco coir chips and I used MegaCrop. I didn't do so good. It was more of the coco coir chips then the MC. I have a whole big bag of MC, I wouldn't mind trying to use it again. MrSauga what do you grow in? I'm growing in FFOF. Would that be a problem in using MC? Have a good day.

 

[InTheShed]

Morning MrSauga I tried to grow in coco coir chips and I used MegaCrop. I didn't do so good. It was more of the coco coir chips then the MC. I have a whole big bag of MC, I wouldn't mind trying to use it again. MrSauga what do you grow in? I'm growing in FFOF. Would that be a problem in using MC? Have a good day.

Just curious how long ago you bought the MegaCrop, because they changed their formula late last year. What does the bag say for the NPK numbers? The feeding instructions would be different if you have the old vs new formula.

 

[Bean 7175]

9.7-5 5.5-14 MC. Is this one the old one?

 

[SQl2kGuy]

Oh my, that's such a nasty thing to do to your plants
I know most people will tell you to flush, and they may even sound like they know what they are talking about, but pre-harvest flushing does nothing to the plant but stress it out.

"Preharvest flushing puts the plant(s) under serious stress. The plant has to deal with nutrient deficiencies in a very important part of its cycle. Strong changes in the amount of dissolved substances in the root-zone stress the roots, possibly to the point of direct physical damage to them. Many immobile elements are no more available for further metabolic processes. We are loosing the fan leaves and damage will show likely on new growth as well."

Check both these links out before Shed has a second thought about posting. I know he's sitting on his hands right now hoping I mention it

A critical look at preharvest flushing
DSpace


Thanks Bean...several growers like myself use MegaCrop. If you are interested they have a free sample($5.00 shipping) you can try. Visit Greenleaf Nutrients for more info.

Well ... I read a lot of journals ... I meet a lot of people ... I learn a lot of things ... you guys just seem to work well together ... and I am impressed by your willingness to share and teach.

It was nice to be able to get some recipes ... and now, ... some really awesome data backed by scientific data and not subjective conjecture.

On August 1, I fed my autoflower plants 1000 ppm and got 3300 ppm run-off ... way too high I thought ... maybe? They are about 2 to 3 weeks from harvest.

To me that is just data ... I do not understand if this is normal for a healthy soil grow? maybe ppm drifts up for healthy soil? And I have not fed a new control soil yet to get a baseline value ... which I plan to do this week.

From what I have read, my intuition says the run-off values are likely not healthy for my plants. Hmmmm I say to myself ... but my plants look healthy except for a minor calcium deficiency.

I have never flushed before, so I decided to run an experiment.

I first flushed the autoflowers, that are in 5 gallon pots, using 20 litres (5 gallons) of tap water.

I really hope the elements in the tap water don't harm the roots.

Then I immediately flushed with about 6 litres (1.5 gallons) of distilled water.

Then I immediately fed with about 6 litres (1.5 gallons) of 1200 ppm full feed nutrient solution ... and got a 1350 ppm run-off. This seems good to me.

I am thinking the tap water had little time to do harm to the roots ... and most of it got flushed out later anyway.

In my mind, I am hoping this final full flush has put only a little bit of stress on my plants ... and for the next 2 to 3 weeks ... the soil is recharged and can run in optimal conditions to develop healthy buds. Maybe? I am still collecting data ...

Overall, I just hope I was getting rid of unwanted salts that had accumulated in the soil ... and not healthy elements that read as pmm which go up over time.

So, by recharging the soil and with my work on VPD ... I am hoping to have the roots and the leaves/buds working at optimal levels for the last few weeks of bud development.

Thanks again for the article ... I am extremely interested in the VPD data.

Alright everyone, please let me know your thoughts when you have the time because right now I have some photoperiods that I fed with 1000 ppm and got a 5100 ppm run-off.

So, if the autoflowers survive and the data I get from the run-off on new soil makes sense ... then I will recharge the photoperios too ... unless I hear otherwise.

I gotta get more sleep

 

[MrSauga]

I have a whole big bag of MC, I wouldn't mind trying to use it again. MrSauga what do you grow in? I'm growing in FFOF. Would that be a problem in using MC? Have a good day.

No, in fact several of my grows have been with MC and FFOF. The old version will require you add more Ca and Mg so get yourself a bottle of Calmag.

The feeding instructions would be different if you have the old vs new formula.

I'm not so sure about that Shed. When I had the old formula back in 2018 the calculator info was exactly the same as today's. No change. They added more Ca and increased the potassium, phophorous and magnesium. I only add Calmag to compensate.

9.7-5 5.5-14 MC. Is this one the old one?

Yup

 

[MrSauga]

Alright everyone, please let me know your thoughts when you have the time because right now I have some photoperiods that I fed with 1000 ppm and got a 5100 ppm run-off.

I've never checked my runoff so I wouldn't know good from bad, but that seems like a lot of salt buildup in there.
farside has a feed schedule that shows some good ppm levels going in and when and what he feeds:

Growing Without Bloom Nutes By Farside05

Its probably your wizard magic

www.420magazine.com

Shed could probably advise on the flushing part when he gets time at work. Should be any sec now.

 

[MrSauga]

I was adjusting my nute mix today and did some number crunching. For starters, here's what I have been feeding these girls:
GLN's Megacrop v1 (9-5-14)
GLN's Calmag Pro (13-0-0)
GLN's Kelp Extract (0-0-15)
Protekt (0-0-3)
phDown (1-5-0)? I am using general NPK values since I do not know RootFarm's NPK value.

I have been using the KE for all my grows only during veg, as it improves nutrient uptake. Once I hit flower I stop. I only stopped because the info I found said it was used mainly in veg stages. I tried finding the NPK values of it a while back and meant to contact GLN for it as it's not posted anywhere.
Anyhoot, today I wrote to the geniuses over there and they responded within minutes with a value of 0-0-15. A value of 15 for K seemed awfully high and I replied back to see if it was a mistake. No mistake.

So, either I'm really lucky or the numbers are wrong from GLN. So this takes us to farside's spreadsheet for some number crunching.
Measurements are estimated to 1gal, whereas I use 4L
.4g Kelp Extract
1.8g CMP
5.8g MC
.5mL pH down
5mL Protekt

That puts my NPK ratio around 6-3-9.

Again, farside like's to use the following:

A 11 ratio of Mega Crop to Pro Tekt to Cal Mag works out to a blended N-P-K of 3.7-2-6.7. Simplified to 2-1-3.5.

So I come out higher on all three levels. It may explain that lovely shade of green Shed keeps reiterating since the N is almost double farside's numbers. Is it working? So far.
However, when I alter the formula by taking out the CMP I end up with a 5-3-10 ratio. My N drops and the K goes up. This may be good for flower, so I'll continue from here at that level. Now there's the question of do I keep feeding KE or discontinue at flower?
Since the KE is minimal at .4g/gal it makes no difference if I remove the KE or not. So no sense in wasting money.

I haven't worked out the N load as I have to do some weighing of the CMP, but I think it's around 199.

I had some time to kill so the moral to the story is when you add or subtract nutes you should always be aware that NPK ratios change. A N to K ratio of 1:3 and you risk Ca lockout.

 

[Dutchman1990]

Nice breakdown sauga! Your girls seem to be living it so far so that’s the main thing!

 

[InTheShed]

Overall, I just hope I was getting rid of unwanted salts that had accumulated in the soil

Great idea! That's a good kind of flush. No need to go with distilled, as tap water followed by your nutes is fine.

I think the best time to do that is 3 weeks before your expected harvest date to give the roots a chance to enjoy all the clean soil during the final push.

I'm not so sure about that Shed. When I had the old formula back in 2018 the calculator info was exactly the same as today's. No change. They added more Ca and increased the potassium, phophorous and magnesium. I only add Calmag to compensate.

I only asked because of the need to add cal-mag with the old formula, as you mentioned. I didn't mean their feeding instructions, I meant ours!

GLN's Kelp Extract (0-0-15)
Protekt (0-0-3)

I think the Kelp and Protekt are saving your bacon here, because GLN's cal-mag is incredibly high in N. Without the added K you would probably be really out of whack.

 

[farside05]

I was adjusting my nute mix today and did some number crunching. For starters, here's what I have been feeding these girls:
GLN's Megacrop v1 (9-5-14)
GLN's Calmag Pro (13-0-0)
GLN's Kelp Extract (0-0-15)
Protekt (0-0-3)
phDown (1-5-0)? I am using general NPK values since I do not know RootFarm's NPK value.

I have been using the KE for all my grows only during veg, as it improves nutrient uptake. Once I hit flower I stop. I only stopped because the info I found said it was used mainly in veg stages. I tried finding the NPK values of it a while back and meant to contact GLN for it as it's not posted anywhere.
Anyhoot, today I wrote to the geniuses over there and they responded within minutes with a value of 0-0-15. A value of 15 for K seemed awfully high and I replied back to see if it was a mistake. No mistake.

So, either I'm really lucky or the numbers are wrong from GLN. So this takes us to farside's spreadsheet for some number crunching.
Measurements are estimated to 1gal, whereas I use 4L
.4g Kelp Extract
1.8g CMP
5.8g MC
.5mL pH down
5mL Protekt

That puts my NPK ratio around 6-3-9.

Again, farside like's to use the following:


So I come out higher on all three levels. It may explain that lovely shade of green Shed keeps reiterating since the N is almost double farside's numbers. Is it working? So far.
However, when I alter the formula by taking out the CMP I end up with a 5-3-10 ratio. My N drops and the K goes up. This may be good for flower, so I'll continue from here at that level. Now there's the question of do I keep feeding KE or discontinue at flower?
Since the KE is minimal at .4g/gal it makes no difference if I remove the KE or not. So no sense in wasting money.

I haven't worked out the N load as I have to do some weighing of the CMP, but I think it's around 199.

I had some time to kill so the moral to the story is when you add or subtract nutes you should always be aware that NPK ratios change. A N to K ratio of 1:3 and you risk Ca lockout.

My desire is for 2-1-3 to 2-1-3.5. Those numbers are simplified (divided by the least common denominator). So your 6-3-9 is spot on. Divide them all by the least common denominator (3) and you get 2-1-3. Don't pay too much attention to the numbers themselves, just the ratio. Yes 6 is 3x more than 2, but that just means you have to use less product to get to the same N load number. Feeding 2g of a 6 N product gives you the same N load as feeding 6m of a 2 N product. My N load for full strength is right around 155 which is where you really make the comparison on feed strength.

 

[farside05]

BTW - My Cal Mag product is 2-0-0 (similar to Botanicare's Cal-Mag Plus). For anyone reading my 11 suggestion for Mega to Pro-Tekt to Cal-Mag recommendation. Using Greenleafs Cal-Mag product with its 13 N at a 11 ratio would lead to some crispy plants.

 

[MrSauga]

I only asked because of the need to add cal-mag with the old formula, as you mentioned. I didn't mean their feeding instructions, I meant ours!

It's all in the wording and how I read the words Grammar was never my strong subject!

My desire is for 2-1-3 to 2-1-3.5. Those numbers are simplified (divided by the least common denominator). So your 6-3-9 is spot on. Divide them all by the least common denominator (3) and you get 2-1-3. Don't pay too much attention to the numbers themselves, just the ratio. Yes 6 is 3x more than 2, but that just means you have to use less product to get to the same N load number. Feeding 2g of a 6 N product gives you the same N load as feeding 6m of a 2 N product. My N load for full strength is right around 155 which is where you really make the comparison on feed strength.

Oh, it's all in the wording. Math was never my strong subject. I would add to that statement, but like I said, math is not my strongest subject. I was looking at the bigger numbers, not the ratios. Good for me. I nailed it.

BTW - My Cal Mag product is 2-0-0 (similar to Botanicare's Cal-Mag Plus). For anyone reading my 11 suggestion for Mega to Pro-Tekt to Cal-Mag recommendation. Using Greenleafs Cal-Mag product with its 13 N at a 11 ratio would lead to some crispy plants.

Well I'm not sure if it was a 11 with the CMP, since I went by their instructions. 1.8g/gal. I'll do some weight/tsp on the kelp and the cmp later tonight.

Since the KE is minimal at .4g/gal it makes no difference if I remove the KE or not.

I think the Kelp and Protekt are saving your bacon here, because GLN's cal-mag is incredibly high in N. Without the added K you would probably be really out of whack.

Maybe, but like I said, removing the KE had no efect on the ratio. .4g/gal is really miniscule. I think 1.5 mL is equal to 1g, but like I said my math is not my strong subject. I was good in lunch and recess.

 

[farside05]

Oh, it's all in the wording. Math was never my strong subject. I would add to that statement, but like I said, math is not my strongest subject. I was looking at the bigger numbers, not the ratios. Good for me. I nailed it.

Well I'm not sure if it was a 11 with the CMP, since I went by their instructions. 1.8g/gal. I'll do some weight/tsp on the kelp and the cmp later tonight.

Greenleaf's Cal-Mag is 11% Calcium. My Cal-Mag is 3.2%. So Greenleaf is 3.44 times stronger. 1.8g of Greenleaf's would equal about 6ml of Bontanicare's. So with my 11 method, I max at 6g/6ml. Knowingly or unknowingly, you're walking the same path. Biggest difference, the Greenleaf Cal-Mag provides 2x the N that Botanicare (or my clone product) provides for the same amount of Calcium supplied.

 

[MrSauga]

So with my 11 method, I max at 6g/6ml. Knowingly or unknowingly, you're walking the same path.

Knowingly, of course!