Doc Bud's High Brix - Strawberry Cough - Pineapple Express

[Doc Bud]

This is a pretty good explanation I think.

physical properties

SO the perched water level is media dependant, and a bigger pot puts a greater distance between your plant and the PWT, so use the biggest pot you can to avoid your root ball sitting in the PWT? or a wick like you said already.

Yep. You've got it. Let's say, for the sake of discussion, that my soil has a PWT of 5 inches. If the pots I use are trapezoidal in shape, the top being wider than the bottom, and they're 3 gallons, the PWT is going to make the lower 1/3 of the pot somewhat inhospitable for root growth.

However, if I use a large pot....7 gallons or so, the same 5 inches are inhostpitable to roots but the volume of soil that is "good" is much higher. Once the plants are large enough, the PWT is less of an issue. But if you want healthy roots, you've got to deal with it sometimes.

 

[Dr.Blue]

Doc, do any of your foliar sprays contain cytokinin? This time of year Tomato & Blossom set spray is available and it would seem to be of a benefit. The question is during what part of flowering should I try it. I may test it at the end of stretch and then again 2 weeks later on one plant. And I am cooking soil at present, outside temps near 100 degrees, just lovely.

 

[Doc Bud]

Doc, do any of your foliar sprays contain cytokinin? This time of year Tomato & Blossom set spray is available and it would seem to be of a benefit. The question is during what part of flowering should I try it. I may test it at the end of stretch and then again 2 weeks later on one plant. And I am cooking soil at present, outside temps near 100 degrees, just lovely.

100 degrees could be too hot for the soil in a can....put it in the shade!

The PGR foliar spray contains several different plant growth regulators. I'm not sure which ones, but the spray favors the growth spectrum of hormones and should not be used in flowering as far as I can tell. I've used it, and I like it veg a lot.

During bloom, I use Amaze and Bloomit, the former mostly, but I do give a couple sprays with bloomit, which favors reproductive growth.

The foliar sprays are designed to get phosphorus and calcium into the leaves. The pgr's are secondary, but are a big help if you want large plants in a short time. Perfect for 12/12 growing.

 

[whitewill]

hey DocBud,

having issues finding soft rock phosphate, can i use Single Super Phosphate or Triple Super Phosphate to the same affect?

cheers dude

 

[Vapedogg223]

hey DocBud,

having issues finding soft rock phosphate, can i use Single Super Phosphate or Triple Super Phosphate to the same affect?

cheers dude

I know you weren't asking for my input...but the super phosphates will go all 'scorched-earth' on your beneficials bro! I'd stay away!

 

[whitewill]

Vapedogg223

cheers for the advice, i know you know your shit too. congrats on nug of the month that WW looked sooooo darn tastie.

I wish to be growing high brix but i cant find SRP anywhere near me, is there something else i could use to get the p in the soil?

cheers

 

[Vapedogg223]

Vapedogg223

cheers for the advice, i know you know your shit too. congrats on nug of the month that WW looked sooooo darn tastie.

I wish to be growing high brix but i cant find SRP anywhere near me, is there something else i could use to get the p in the soil?

cheers

Thanks bro! That's a good question...I'm not sure. The tricky part is that SRP is more than just P, in fact I think it's only about 15-20% phosphorus, and almost 20% calcium...not to mention the other micronutrients in it. That's why the ratios are so important, you can't really change one ingredient without changing the others.

It sounds like you might be talking about Espoma brand products...any place that carries the line should be able to get their SRP, although it just says Rock Phosphate on the bag. Dr. Earth also offers it if you have a grow shop around. I've heard it will sometimes be sold as colloidal phosphate, although I've never seen it called that around me. I think another brand is Calphos.

Doc will know if there are some other options when he gets back...I just thought I should chime in before you picked up a super phosphate product.

 

[whitewill]

Thanks bro! That's a good question...I'm not sure. The tricky part is that SRP is more than just P, in fact I think it's only about 15-20% phosphorus, and almost 20% calcium...not to mention the other micronutrients in it. That's why the ratios are so important, you can't really change one ingredient without changing the others.

It sounds like you might be talking about Espoma brand products...any place that carries the line should be able to get their SRP, although it just says Rock Phosphate on the bag. Dr. Earth also offers it if you have a grow shop around. I've heard it will sometimes be sold as colloidal phosphate, although I've never seen it called that around me. I think another brand is Calphos.

Doc will know if there are some other options when he gets back...I just thought I should chime in before you picked up a super phosphate product.

glad ya did man, cheers for advice but im across the pond on main land europe and them products we just dont get here. Apatite would that just be the gem stone name for SRP? so if smashed some up would that work? cause i can get em here.

thanks again dude.

 

[Vapedogg223]

glad ya did man, cheers for advice but im across the pond on main land europe and them products we just dont get here. Apatite would that just be the gem stone name for SRP? so if smashed some up would that work? cause i can get em here.

thanks again dude.

I don't want to give you bad information...and a mineralogist I am most definitely not, but I think apatite might be hard rock phosphate.

I'm not sure where one would find SRP in your area, but I would think it should be available...at least for farmers. In Europe it's probably going to come out of Egypt, are there any farm supply or livestock feed stores near you? Sorry bro...I wish I could be of more help.

 

[Curso]

I had a hard time finding srp locally too, online "superstores" are the rout I had to go.

 

[Doc Bud]

I know you weren't asking for my input...but the super phosphates will go all 'scorched-earth' on your beneficials bro! I'd stay away!

Vapedogg223

cheers for the advice, i know you know your shit too. congrats on nug of the month that WW looked sooooo darn tastie.

I wish to be growing high brix but i cant find SRP anywhere near me, is there something else i could use to get the p in the soil?

cheers

Thanks bro! That's a good question...I'm not sure. The tricky part is that SRP is more than just P, in fact I think it's only about 15-20% phosphorus, and almost 20% calcium...not to mention the other micronutrients in it. That's why the ratios are so important, you can't really change one ingredient without changing the others.

It sounds like you might be talking about Espoma brand products...any place that carries the line should be able to get their SRP, although it just says Rock Phosphate on the bag. Dr. Earth also offers it if you have a grow shop around. I've heard it will sometimes be sold as colloidal phosphate, although I've never seen it called that around me. I think another brand is Calphos.

Doc will know if there are some other options when he gets back...I just thought I should chime in before you picked up a super phosphate product.

I don't want to give you bad information...and a mineralogist I am most definitely not, but I think apatite might be hard rock phosphate.

I'm not sure where one would find SRP in your area, but I would think it should be available...at least for farmers. In Europe it's probably going to come out of Egypt, are there any farm supply or livestock feed stores near you? Sorry bro...I wish I could be of more help.

Vape said it all exactly right.

Soft Rock Phosphate is a colloidal clay. We don't just use it for the phosphorus, but for all the other stuff AND the phosphorus.

I know they have it in Europe. There are gardeners everywhere over there. Start asking around the garden shops, and do some homework....maybe it's called something else in Europe.

Whatever you do, don't use triple phos or any other salt based fert as a substitute for Soft Rock Phosphate.....not at all the same thing.

Thanks for the help Vape!

 

[Hash Hound]

Doc,

These are the plants 4 weeks ago

and these are them today, 2 1/2 weeks in 12/12. and most have either been topped, LST, Supercrop or all 3.
bad job with room management, but they just grew out of control.

 

[Doc Bud]

Doc,

These are the plants 4 weeks ago

and these are them today, 2 1/2 weeks in 12/12. and most have either been topped, LST, Supercrop or all 3.
bad job with room management, but they just grew out of control.

Yup. Healthy plants grow large and fast. I'm sure you've noticed how little the plants are I put into bloom. If I vegged to 18 inches the plants would be 6 feet tall.

I usually prune quite a bit of the lower branches when stretch is over. Healthy plants like that give especially good end products.

 

[BigIrishDoode]

just love your journals doc, i learn every visit,fixing on doing some soil i built im dumping myco tea tonight to start some cooking and colonizing,it not a high brix deal yet but teas and organics at least

 

[Icemud]

Hey, I wanted to chime in about the Soft Rock Phosphate, I found mine on Amazon by a brand called Dr. Earth, and it also has added beneficial bacterias too

Wow those leaves look incredibly shiny!!!

 

[whitewill]

Vape said it all exactly right.

Soft Rock Phosphate is a colloidal clay. We don't just use it for the phosphorus, but for all the other stuff AND the phosphorus.

I know they have it in Europe. There are gardeners everywhere over there. Start asking around the garden shops, and do some homework....maybe it's called something else in Europe.

Whatever you do, don't use triple phos or any other salt based fert as a substitute for Soft Rock Phosphate.....not at all the same thing.

Thanks for the help Vape!

thanks guys,

i have managed to find some in the UK(my old home), i knew they would have it but they wont deliver out side of the uk so gonna get it sent to my sister who will be coming over in 2 weeks. yay

sorry to keep hounding ya but i have a another question. when you mix the soil and let it cook, do you add a tea or straight water? and how much liquid would be needed for 25gals of soil?

k thats a couple of questions sorry.

cheers guys for all you help so far. keep green

 

[Dr.Blue]

That 100 degrees is in the shade! I think I will test one plant in flower with the Blossom set spray just to see what happens.

 

[Doc Bud]

just love your journals doc, i learn every visit,fixing on doing some soil i built im dumping myco tea tonight to start some cooking and colonizing,it not a high brix deal yet but teas and organics at least

Sounds like a step in the right direction! Add some Azomite and SRF and you'll get even better results.

 

[Doc Bud]

thanks guys,

i have managed to find some in the UK(my old home), i knew they would have it but they wont deliver out side of the uk so gonna get it sent to my sister who will be coming over in 2 weeks. yay

sorry to keep hounding ya but i have a another question. when you mix the soil and let it cook, do you add a tea or straight water? and how much liquid would be needed for 25gals of soil?

k thats a couple of questions sorry.

cheers guys for all you help so far. keep green

25 gallons is almost 3 bags of soil......3 gallons should do the trick if it's all in a rubber barrel. Using tea for this is a great idea.

 

[whitewill]

25 gallons is almost 3 bags of soil......3 gallons should do the trick if it's all in a rubber barrel. Using tea for this is a great idea.

sweet, I will do that then. Should have all the bits in a few weeks so I should be able to have a couple of plant batches of doing it high brix this season and if my plants come out an 1/4 as good as yours have been I'm gonna be very happy chappy. Thanks again for sharing with us all.