Doc Bud's High Brix Q&A With Pictures

Beavis.....please don't stress....your humidity level is a LOT better than mine (I'm in the Midwest winter season).....there are constant adjustments to be made as we go through this journey, but you have so much input ready to help...after going through a few trials and tribs, you will begin to make your own decisions as well as keep up with other brixer problems that you will recognize as your own....:thumb:
 
Beavis.....please don't stress....your humidity level is a LOT better than mine (I'm in the Midwest winter season).....there are constant adjustments to be made as we go through this journey, but you have so much input ready to help...after going through a few trials and tribs, you will begin to make your own decisions as well as keep up with other brixer problems that you will recognize as your own....:thumb:

Aww thanks Shawnee...ugh, I am stressed but I feel better with your encouragement. :circle-of-love:

I had a hunch I needed some help and had problems. It can be a little embarrassing to bear your rear end and show all your mistakes in color with nice pictures. lol

Like we all do I've been babying, caring for and fretting over these plants for a month and I hate that I'm messing them up by something so newbish.
 
Thanks Doc!

Gosh darn, I thought I had these suckers totally dry....I went 8 days since last watering. I have been drenching them soaking about 2/3 up on the side of the pot then pouring over top and letting drain till droplets. I collect the drippings and pour back through once or twice then fully drain till just a few droplets.

I think my temps and humidity has been pretty good. There might be a few minutes at highs or lows but for the most part ive been around 78 degrees during lights on and 66-68 at night and 50-60% humidity. I have a humidifier going. It's hot here and temps have been in the mid 80's the past two days so I've been running the AC low in the house to keep temps down. I'm running in winter due to summer temps here. grrr.

Doc i just drenched/watered these two plants last night. Do I wait till dry to do a rescue? They are due a Brix tonight. Should I do that and a Destress?

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At this point do DeStress only. They're stressed....lol.

Your temps and humidity is fine. Wait till it drys and then Rescue drench it. Don't be bashful. Mix that stuff up and drench it hard.
 
See Beavis....? Welcome and welcome again.....:welcome:
 
Thanks Doc!

Gosh darn, I thought I had these suckers totally dry....I went 8 days since last watering. I have been drenching them soaking about 2/3 up on the side of the pot then pouring over top and letting drain till droplets. I collect the drippings and pour back through once or twice then fully drain till just a few droplets.

I think my temps and humidity has been pretty good. There might be a few minutes at highs or lows but for the most part ive been around 78 degrees during lights on and 66-68 at night and 50-60% humidity. I have a humidifier going. It's hot here and temps have been in the mid 80's the past two days so I've been running the AC low in the house to keep temps down. I'm running in winter due to summer temps here. grrr.

Doc i just drenched/watered these two plants last night. Do I wait till dry to do a rescue? They are due a Brix tonight. Should I do that and a Destress?

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I don't think your problem is how long your going between waterings.

When you do your dunk just do the first part, push it down like you are and keep it there and let the water work up to the top of the soil. Then take it out and hold it tilted on one side until no more water comes out that side. Reverse sides give it a couple jiggles to help work the water over to that side and it will start running out again. You want as much of the water to drain out as you can get, its pulling fresh air deep into the soil. You don't need to top water and keep poring it through I think that and not fully draining them at the end is most likely where the overwatering is happening.

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At this point do DeStress only. They're stressed....lol.

Your temps and humidity is fine. Wait till it drys and then Rescue drench it. Don't be bashful. Mix that stuff up and drench it hard.

Yes sir, will do.

Thanks so much all for getting me back on track!
 
I don't think your problem is how long your going between waterings.

When you do your dunk just do the first part, push it down like you are and keep it there and let the water work up to the top of the soil. Then take it out and hold it tilted on one side until no more water comes out that side. Reverse sides give it a couple jiggles to help work the water over to that side and it will start running out again. You want as much of the water to drain out as you can get, its pulling fresh air deep into the soil. You don't need to top water and keep poring it through I think that and not fully draining them at the end is most likely where the overwatering is happening.

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You're right I think my drench technique is bad. The reason I was pouring over the top is because after drenching, the top 2 inches at the top of the plant were still very dry. And I think that's because I was using too small of a container and using too little volume water/drench because as soon as I'd dunk the plant in the container with the drench the plant would rapidly soak up all the liquid and it'd go down fast.

I think I need to use a bigger container with more liquid that stays at a higher level (say 2/3) on the pot so it fully soaks the whole pot.
 
You're right I think my drench technique is bad. The reason I was pouring over the top is because after drenching, the top 2 inches at the top of the plant were still very dry. And I think that's because I was using too small of a container and using too little volume water/drench because as soon as I'd dunk the plant in the container with the drench the plant would rapidly soak up all the liquid and it'd go down fast.

I think I need to use a bigger container with more liquid that stays at a higher level (say 2/3) on the pot so it fully soaks the whole pot.


Remember that roots need to exchange and vent gasses when they're growing. That's part of what the parch/drench cycle does - we aerate the soil on a frequent basis.

Dry pots should float. :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
Remember that roots need to exchange and vent gasses when they're growing. That's part of what the parch/drench cycle does - we aerate the soil on a frequent basis.

Dry pots should float. :cheesygrinsmiley:

Good catch GT :)

If you put them in the water and let go they should only sink an inch or two and try to fall over. I put around 2 -3 gal of water / drench mix into a 5 gal bucket for my 1 gal pots. Enough water that u could totally submerge the pot if you wanted to. I hold the pot by the top and put a finger on the top of the soil to make sure the entire root ball doesn't try and lift out of the pot and push it down in to the water about half way at first and give it some time to balance there and then push it down to where the water is level with the soil and let it work up till it starts leaking out the top layer of soil and I pull them out at that point. I don't really worry if the top inch didn't get fully soaked as long as the water got up through the top surface the areas that matter are going to be good.

If you're still unsure about when they're dry enough to drench just fill up an identical pot with soil and stick it in your tent to dry out. Once its dry you can compare your plants to it. Dried out pots weigh much less than I would of assumed they did but once I realized how light they get it became really easy to know when they're ready.
 
Aww man I'm disappointed in myself. I really thought I was doing good with not overwatering.

And quit messing with them! They dont like you finger f'ing them all the time. It looks too me that you didn't let your soil cook long enough? I've seen that mag shortage on my plants that HAD TO go in uncooked soil.
 
Good catch GT :)

If you put them in the water and let go they should only sink an inch or two and try to fall over. I put around 2 -3 gal of water / drench mix into a 5 gal bucket for my 1 gal pots. Enough water that u could totally submerge the pot if you wanted to. I hold the pot by the top and put a finger on the top of the soil to make sure the entire root ball doesn't try and lift out of the pot and push it down in to the water about half way at first and give it some time to balance there and then push it down to where the water is level with the soil and let it work up till it starts leaking out the top layer of soil and I pull them out at that point. I don't really worry if the top inch didn't get fully soaked as long as the water got up through the top surface the areas that matter are going to be good.

If you're still unsure about when they're dry enough to drench just fill up an identical pot with soil and stick it in your tent to dry out. Once its dry you can compare your plants to it. Dried out pots weigh much less than I would of assumed they did but once I realized how light they get it became really easy to know when they're ready.



Awesome, thanks buddy. Yep, I need to modify my drenching technique and I need to wait longer before watering.

Great tip on the test pot....I'll do that too!
 
And quit messing with them! They dont like you finger f'ing them all the time. It looks too me that you didn't let your soil cook long enough? I've seen that mag shortage on my plants that HAD TO go in uncooked soil.

LOL will do.

The soil cooked for at least 6 weeks (off the floor), got some fuzz and the sides of the container were sweating. Then I dropped the beans in. The soil I backfilled each container with after they compacted after watering was cooking for like 9-10 weeks. I made up the whole batch up soil and won't use half of it this run.
 
And quit messing with them! They dont like you finger f'ing them all the time. It looks too me that you didn't let your soil cook long enough? I've seen that mag shortage on my plants that HAD TO go in uncooked soil.

Sometimes it can be hard not to love them too much...lol. I find as long as my drenches and sprays are on time and environment is stable, mine seem to do better when I just leave them for a couple days. But tbh, I eye-"f" mine so much I doubt therapy would even help them.



LOL will do.

The soil cooked for at least 6 weeks (off the floor), got some fuzz and the sides of the container were sweating. Then I dropped the beans in. The soil I backfilled each container with after they compacted after watering was cooking for like 9-10 weeks. I made up the whole batch up soil and won't use half of it this run.

I think your cook was alright, and not using it all for your first couple grows is not unusual. My soil is in 2 big bins (half bale in each), and I usually use one whole bin (or half my soil) per grow so I simply rotate after each round. It can go 12-16 weeks between uses and I've never had a problem with viability.
 
You're right I think my drench technique is bad. The reason I was pouring over the top is because after drenching, the top 2 inches at the top of the plant were still very dry. And I think that's because I was using too small of a container and using too little volume water/drench because as soon as I'd dunk the plant in the container with the drench the plant would rapidly soak up all the liquid and it'd go down fast.

I think I need to use a bigger container with more liquid that stays at a higher level (say 2/3) on the pot so it fully soaks the whole pot.

Yes. This is the way the tech is described on the "In the Lab" thread. You want the container 2/3 to 3/4 submerged.
 
Beavis,
I hear ya man regarding the feelings of embarrassment of making newby mistakes. I'm right there with you...just trying to do everything perfect...and wham! Our inexperience in this technique leads to these mistakes...or as I like to call it "Learning experience".

I have the aero technique down pretty good, but I see now that I basically got good at becoming farmilar with the recipes and knowledge of others. I'm used to plants alway being "wet". I too have been overwatering when I thought the pots were dry, and am still in the mist of learning the difference... I'm just destessing till they completely dry, then will do a rescue drench myself. My girls look very similar to yours. I'll post their progress hopefully soon.

DL
 
Beavis,
I hear ya man regarding the feelings of embarrassment of making newby mistakes. I'm right there with you...just trying to do everything perfect...and wham! Our inexperience in this technique leads to these mistakes...or as I like to call it "Learning experience".

I have the aero technique down pretty good, but I see now that I basically got good at becoming farmilar with the recipes and knowledge of others. I'm used to plants alway being "wet". I too have been overwatering when I thought the pots were dry, and am still in the mist of learning the difference... I'm just destessing till they completely dry, then will do a rescue drench myself. My girls look very similar to yours. I'll post their progress hopefully soon.

DL

Thank DL! yeah I read countless times throughout Doc's threads about newbs and overwatering. I just knew that wasn't going to be me. LOL Boy was I wrong.

Today is a new day and I feel better. Hopefully my mistakes can help prevent another newb from making the same ones!
 
Thank DL! yeah I read countless times throughout Doc's threads about newbs and overwatering. I just knew that wasn't going to be me. LOL Boy was I wrong.

Today is a new day and I feel better. Hopefully my mistakes can help prevent another newb from making the same ones!

I invite you to totally copy me....use hard plastic pots, 5 gallon homer buckets for drenches, etc.

I use the same exact stuff you guys use....no difference at all.

1. Environment
2. Environment
3. Soil
4. Environment


Those are the four most important components for success!
 
In The Lab With Doc Bud

Watering technique in Veg. Posted verbatim from In the Lab:

Watering Technique for Vegetative Growth

Vegetative growth is all about preparing the plant to bloom. Isn't that what it's all about, the bloom? Who cares how nice they look in veg....we want the finished product, period.

Having said that, the single most important thing to achieve prior to blooming is a robust, very large root system. I want a gallon sized rootball, nearly rootbound, when I transplant and bloom. Here's how I do it:

We'll assume the reader is using proper soil, good water, and is in a proper environment.

Back in my Hempy days, I learned very fast that it takes a week or so for the roots to grow about 10 inches down to the bottom of the pot. The plants really took off once those roots hit the moist reservoir at the bottom of the pot.

It's the same deal with soil. Most of the moisture is in the "perched water table" at the bottom of the pot.

1.)Soak the medium at the first transplanting of fresh, rooted clones into soil. Water very light again a few days later, just to moisten the top of the medium. Do not soak it again.

2.)Do not water again until the plants look like they're starting to droop. Give them a good watering at this point.

3.)Again, wait until they're starting to droop for lack of water (probably now a good 8-10 days after transplant) and this time place the pots in a tub of water and really soak the roots. As they drain, tilt the pots this way and that to try to pour off as much of the perched water table as possible.

4.)Again wait till they droop and this time give them a good feeding, making sure to add beneficials being careful to soak them.

By letting them dry out we're forcing the roots to really work at finding moisture and they'll quickly fill the pots, which is what we want. The growth you see up top will be far less spectacular, but there will be one important gain that experienced growers will appreciate:

The plants will be smaller with tighter internodes. This is because all the energy has been put into the roots, not the foliage.

At this point, the leaves will really take off, but the plant will be root bound pretty bad, so if you're trying to do a 2 plants SCOG or grow montrous trees, a second veg transplant will be needed. I like to prune up these small plants, take cuttings and put them into bloom pretty fast.

One of the worst problems you can have is a great big mass of green leaves with a substandard root system. Plants like that simply can't keep up with the demands of flowering their roots aren't up to the task.

On the other hand, having great roots and not so much foliage (you'll still have lovely leaves, just not as many) means the plant isn't wasting energy just trying to feed what's already there, or desperately trying to grow roots....it has all kinds of spare energy to concentrate on blooming!

Instead of doubling in size, my plants quadruple in size sometimes. The leaf to calyx ratio is better.....fewer leaves, more buds.

And best of all, there are so many roots that it makes it very hard to overwater and drown the roots.

Roots! That's the most important thing to accomplish for a vigorous bloom. These simple techniques aren't the ONLY way; they may not even be the best way....but they certainly work consistently.

Next up: watering techinique in bloom.
 
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