Doc Bud's High Brix Q&A With Pictures

I ran into something that I've not seen before and thought I would run it pas the "experts".��

Strain is Money Maker, day 40 of 12/12. Notice in the first pic that there is "flower" (pistils) forming at the junction of a (fan) leaf and its stem, which is coming off of a cola. On the same cola, it appears that a "twin" flower has formed (second pic). Note how the sugar leaves are very crowded and have formed a 'division' between the flowers. This plant never ceases to amaze! Anyone else seen either of these before? This is my 6th HB grow and both are new to me. Thx.
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Edit: you can see the fan leaf with pistils in the second photo also- bottom left corner.
Hey MMM...yes i have seen this before ...but only once on the Kali Mist i grew about 12 or so years ago. A cluster of pistils shot out from the "hip" of the leaf , just like that, i thought it was sooo cool...the plant just had so much energy she decided to throw them out there i guess! pretty cool though! Cheers bud!
 
Hmm an interesting thing, hops does something similar while it's flowering and genetically it's cannabis' cousin. I've been wondering if that's a recessive freaky trait :bong:
 
Shiggs had a plant last round that grew a leaf bud. They're pretty cool! And the other one looks like a polyploid mutation.

You got 'em revving on high Medman! :thumb:
 
Hmm actually it looks like a bud worm damage growing back, like this plant. Well I know that you indoor folks don't see the suckers too often, but they're the real reality outdoor :lot-o-toke:

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Good morning folks.

I've been reading through this massive thread and came across Doc's recommendation to get the environment nailed down before ordering the kit and maybe trying OC+.

- I have a perfect sun 500 led on the way.
- looking for a good 4x4 tent
- have an unfinished room in the basement for the tent.
- no Co2 solution
- will add fan and filter for smell when blooming.

Luckily I have a bit of money set aside to add these things but honestly not sure what's recommended for the kit. My apologies as I'm sure someone already probably asked this.

My first grow of Aurora Indica got me and my wife about 4oz dried of a single plant got two clones from (flowed the clones with the mother for more yield.

If there is another thread i should be looking at let me know.

Have a great Friday!
 
Good morning folks.

I've been reading through this massive thread and came across Doc's recommendation to get the environment nailed down before ordering the kit and maybe trying OC+.

- I have a perfect sun 500 led on the way.
- looking for a good 4x4 tent
- have an unfinished room in the basement for the tent.
- no Co2 solution
- will add fan and filter for smell when blooming.

Luckily I have a bit of money set aside to add these things but honestly not sure what's recommended for the kit. My apologies as I'm sure someone already probably asked this.

My first grow of Aurora Indica got me and my wife about 4oz dried of a single plant got two clones from (flowed the clones with the mother for more yield.

If there is another thread i should be looking at let me know.

Have a great Friday!

When you get all your gear plugged in and arranged, turn it on for a few days and check high/low temps and humidity.

If you're in range, you're ready to start. If not, work with it till you can control the weather! It makes all the difference.
 
Try to factor in RH control. Mine is always backwards from the goal. In veg, plants are small and RH is low. Once they grow and begin to bloom, all the transpiration makes the room go way high in RH just about the time I'd like to dial it back. <_<
 
Try to factor in RH control. Mine is always backwards from the goal. In veg, plants are small and RH is low. Once they grow and begin to bloom, all the transpiration makes the room go way high in RH just about the time I'd like to dial it back. <_<

yep. Same, same. Just have to factor all that in when you put all the gear together. Larger volumes of air are much easier to deal with, but not everyone has the luxury of 12 foot cielings and 12x12 rooms like I have. It's been a blessing for sure.
 
Hey MMM...yes i have seen this before ...but only once on the Kali Mist i grew about 12 or so years ago. A cluster of pistils shot out from the "hip" of the leaf , just like that, i thought it was sooo cool...the plant just had so much energy she decided to throw them out there i guess! pretty cool though! Cheers bud!

It's called a "Polyploid". It's when the plant acquires an additional set of chromosomes and is not at all unheard of, although not very common. I believe there are ways to cause this in plants.
 
Thanks guys for the tips. Just ordered my kit today I'll probably wait to get my kit before getting the soil and castings.

Gonna put my temp/rh meter in the room to see what I'm working with as it's 95 degrees today and muggy.

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yep. Same, same. Just have to factor all that in when you put all the gear together. Larger volumes of air are much easier to deal with, but not everyone has the luxury of 12 foot cielings and 12x12 rooms like I have. It's been a blessing for sure.

Regarding dialing in the environment. My room is 10x12' with 7' 2" or so ceilings. The basement room is new construction: three stick walls with drywall, one "outside" cement wall. Ceiling and inside walls all are heavily insulated. Currently in Flower (8 plants in 7 gal., day 40 of 12/12) with 700w LEDs of actual draw. 6" Vortex fan with controller and filter. Thin walled 6" PVC exhaust pipe runs 15' in a straight line to a window (removed) with a dryer style vent. One 8" passive backdraft vent opposite lower corner for intake air. The intake air (filtered) comes from the basement.

This is my third grow in the room and I'm having trouble keeping the temp down for the first time. (Obviously, winters aren't a problem) I run a dehum. in the room which controls the humid fine, (currently rens between 40-50% RH) but it kicks off to much heat. I've tried a diff dehumid whith the same heat issue. I also run a dehum in the basement proper and can keep the overall basement humid at whatever I set it, i.e. 50%. But it too warms the basement up.

My daytime room temps are in the low 80s, though a laser temp gun reading from the top leaves/buds usually doesn't go over 80° and a shot of the soil surface is usually in the mid to upper 70s. Night time temps are in the mid 70° (dehum. runs more at night giving off heat so temps don't drop much).

Sorry for the long winded explain.... My questions:

1. Following the VPD (or is it VDP) chart, at a temp of 80 the humid should be a lot higher. However, I know that excess humid is not good, especially late in flower. So do I not worry about the higher temps and work at keeping the humid lower, or should I let the humid rise to match the temps? Or, leave it as it is?

2. Does anyone have a suggestion for cooling off the room? Even with the house A/C running 24 hrs, the room temp doesn't change much, though the humid drops a bit. I've thought about a portable A/C unit, but they need to be vented outside. My closest window is in the basement proper, 15 ft as the crow flies from th grow rm wall. I've also looked at a mini split solution, which is probably a better choice, albeit the cost.

Any ideas would be appreciated.
 
hey there MMM...your temp of 80F is good...try and keep the Rh at 50 -60%. A good De Humid..will do that easily with your present conditions. when the RH starts to get much more than 60-65 you may have mold problems. Also don't forget to have plenty of air circ. in that room, it's a good size. Your exhaust fan/filter set up sounds good. I like the idea of a straight run with that pipe, easier on the fan motor. Just try and get that RH in that range and your golden. Wish i had that much space....Cheers eh!
 
Regarding dialing in the environment. My room is 10x12' with 7' 2" or so ceilings. The basement room is new construction: three stick walls with drywall, one "outside" cement wall. Ceiling and inside walls all are heavily insulated. Currently in Flower (8 plants in 7 gal., day 40 of 12/12) with 700w LEDs of actual draw. 6" Vortex fan with controller and filter. Thin walled 6" PVC exhaust pipe runs 15' in a straight line to a window (removed) with a dryer style vent. One 8" passive backdraft vent opposite lower corner for intake air. The intake air (filtered) comes from the basement.

This is my third grow in the room and I'm having trouble keeping the temp down for the first time. (Obviously, winters aren't a problem) I run a dehum. in the room which controls the humid fine, (currently rens between 40-50% RH) but it kicks off to much heat. I've tried a diff dehumid whith the same heat issue. I also run a dehum in the basement proper and can keep the overall basement humid at whatever I set it, i.e. 50%. But it too warms the basement up.

My daytime room temps are in the low 80s, though a laser temp gun reading from the top leaves/buds usually doesn't go over 80° and a shot of the soil surface is usually in the mid to upper 70s. Night time temps are in the mid 70° (dehum. runs more at night giving off heat so temps don't drop much).

Sorry for the long winded explain.... My questions:

1. Following the VPD (or is it VDP) chart, at a temp of 80 the humid should be a lot higher. However, I know that excess humid is not good, especially late in flower. So do I not worry about the higher temps and work at keeping the humid lower, or should I let the humid rise to match the temps? Or, leave it as it is?

2. Does anyone have a suggestion for cooling off the room? Even with the house A/C running 24 hrs, the room temp doesn't change much, though the humid drops a bit. I've thought about a portable A/C unit, but they need to be vented outside. My closest window is in the basement proper, 15 ft as the crow flies from th grow rm wall. I've also looked at a mini split solution, which is probably a better choice, albeit the cost.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Assuming your Vortex exhausts 400CFM...

Your inlet needs to be sized to allow the fan to "free flow" (no static pressure) to achieve 400CFM. At 400CFM you would need a 192 Sq. In. hole to allow the fan to exhaust at rated speed. Or, FOUR 8" holes with no inlet filter.

Now, add a filter and controller to the fan, and your exhaust CFM drops. Without seeing performance curves and knowing where you set the controller to, I'll make up a number so you can see where I'm going with this.

The made up number is 250CFM filtered exhaust. Assuming the inlet is sized properly (120 sq. in. or a little over two 8" holes)

The point being, I don't believe you have enough passive inlet to take full advantage of your exhaust fan unless I missed something in your description. And, I think you said the 8" inlet hole is filtered, which makes matters worse.

It may not solve all your heat issues, but you paid for the fan, paying for the electricity... take full advantage of your hardware.

PM me and I can be a lot more help if needed.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, the 15' of duct, any bends in the duct will greatly reduce your CFM. So 250CFM just got lowered to 175... which means a smaller passive inlet also. But, once you get these hard numbers from the performance curves, you can check against standards developed from the HVAC industry to see if you have enough CFM to remove heat from your room.

Sorry, way to much detail/information/math for a forum. I'll put everyone to sleep.
 
Sorry for the long winded explain.... My questions:

1. Following the VPD (or is it VDP) chart, at a temp of 80 the humid should be a lot higher. However, I know that excess humid is not good, especially late in flower. So do I not worry about the higher temps and work at keeping the humid lower, or should I let the humid rise to match the temps? Or, leave it as it is?

2. Does anyone have a suggestion for cooling off the room? Even with the house A/C running 24 hrs, the room temp doesn't change much, though the humid drops a bit. I've thought about a portable A/C unit, but they need to be vented outside. My closest window is in the basement proper, 15 ft as the crow flies from th grow rm wall. I've also looked at a mini split solution, which is probably a better choice, albeit the cost.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

If your daytime temps are 80, the plants really seem to like 55 to 60%, strain dependent. One problem that can occur with a hot room and adding a lot of moisture is a large spike in rH when the lights (heat source) shut off. That's what causes the problems with PM, etc.

If you can let the humidity rise with the temps and you can keep it dry when the lights shut off, then the 80 degrees will do very, very well for you, especially with Sativa strains.

Minisplit. Do you know how happy you'd be if you had one? Yes you do! You know how happy that would make you!
 
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