Excellent! Thanks Doc! I will let the plant guide me while using the handy new pdf from your site.
Doc Bud's High Brix Q&A With Pictures
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Hi Doc and gang. I have a question re my soil mixing and batches etc. Well, more of an idea that wants feedback really. I’ve hesitated to post it because everyone will think I am overthinking etc. 
I don’t think I am 
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Here’s the set up:
I started off by mixing a half batch of soil. I used pure SPM and added perlite and limestone powder. You might remember that I made an error by not removing 25% of the SPM and replacing it with the perlite so this first batch is both larger in quantity and weaker in ammendments than intended.
I’ve now taken out about 15gal of that first mix and seem to have a bit over half of it still left - which means it made about 30-32gal.
Here is what I feel like I should do.
I have half the original bale of SPM left. It seems right to me to take half of that, mix it with the rest of the 1st run ammendments and some perlite (and the required amount of limestone powder and about 10-15lbs of worm castings) and then blend it together with what is left of the original batch and cook it all another month.
There is math in my reasoning, basically the first mix I did I used 25% too much SPM, so to compensate and then mix the second batch together with what’s left of the first, I should use 25% less than the proper amount for the second batch (which would be half of the half that is left).
My loose math goes like this:
It would mean that the first run might still be a little bit off but should mean that the second and third runs are more accurately mixed.
Thoughts?
I don’t think I am .Here’s the set up:
I started off by mixing a half batch of soil. I used pure SPM and added perlite and limestone powder. You might remember that I made an error by not removing 25% of the SPM and replacing it with the perlite so this first batch is both larger in quantity and weaker in ammendments than intended.
I’ve now taken out about 15gal of that first mix and seem to have a bit over half of it still left - which means it made about 30-32gal.
Here is what I feel like I should do.
I have half the original bale of SPM left. It seems right to me to take half of that, mix it with the rest of the 1st run ammendments and some perlite (and the required amount of limestone powder and about 10-15lbs of worm castings) and then blend it together with what is left of the original batch and cook it all another month.
There is math in my reasoning, basically the first mix I did I used 25% too much SPM, so to compensate and then mix the second batch together with what’s left of the first, I should use 25% less than the proper amount for the second batch (which would be half of the half that is left).
My loose math goes like this:
- OK let’s call (for the sake of example) a full bale of SPM, 200units.
- Each half batch should have been 75units of SPM (total 150units).
- But the half batch I did was with the full 100units.
- So mixing the second with only 50units and then blending it with what’s left of the first should get me closer to a proper mix.
It would mean that the first run might still be a little bit off but should mean that the second and third runs are more accurately mixed.
Thoughts?
ok VS!See, I don’t actually want to get bogged down in the math here. I think my calculations are, roughly speaking, quite ok and I’ll do it that way if I do it.
Mostly what I’m questioning, which maybe wasn’t clear, is if I can add the new batch to what’s left of the original batch and cook (meaning about 30% of it will be cooking twice).
What you'll end up with is a mix that's 1/2 second run ... ? 
You'll have half unused soil and half second run.
You will have added all the amendment and used all the SPM, so it's essentially first run soil plus the salts and increased humus from one run of a half batch, and they're blended into a full batch.
The grams of amendment aren't important. Remember that this method is based on large outdoor produce gardens, and normally calculated to be broadcast over 1000 sqft plots.
So yes, that should be fine.
You'll have half unused soil and half second run.
You will have added all the amendment and used all the SPM, so it's essentially first run soil plus the salts and increased humus from one run of a half batch, and they're blended into a full batch.
The grams of amendment aren't important. Remember that this method is based on large outdoor produce gardens, and normally calculated to be broadcast over 1000 sqft plots.
So yes, that should be fine.
Thanks Gray
Ok - so I’m not talking about used 1st run. I’m talking about the first run soil that I haven’t used yet. which, from what you’ve said there should be fine - (so it’s not used just cooked already).
It sounds like I can go ahead then. I’ll get to it sometime tomorrow, which is at least 20 hours away so if anyone has a good reason why I shouldn’t, there is still plenty of time to stop me!
And I might sound like I’m calculating too finely but when I actually do the business I’m pretty fast and loose with it.
It will mean I end up using a full batch between now and end of summer (meaning i’ll have to sneak in an extra plant
to use it all up) and then do a full second run cook when they’re done, ready for. Indoor next autumn (your spring).
Ok - so I’m not talking about used 1st run. I’m talking about the first run soil that I haven’t used yet.
which, from what you’ve said there should be fine - (so it’s not used just cooked already).It sounds like I can go ahead then. I’ll get to it sometime tomorrow, which is at least 20 hours away so if anyone has a good reason why I shouldn’t, there is still plenty of time to stop me!
And I might sound like I’m calculating too finely but when I actually do the business I’m pretty fast and loose with it.
It will mean I end up using a full batch between now and end of summer (meaning i’ll have to sneak in an extra plant
to use it all up) and then do a full second run cook when they’re done, ready for. Indoor next autumn (your spring).
LOL...sorry, you caught me after a huge bowl of Hindu Kush and Northern Lights and my brain wasn't engaging anything in that post. I read that like Charlie Brown's teacher talking..... and understood about as much. Its all good Amy. I knew one of them smart folks would come along and clear it up for you!
See, I don’t actually want to get bogged down in the math here. I think my calculations are, roughly speaking, quite ok and I’ll do it that way if I do it.
Mostly what I’m questioning, which maybe wasn’t clear, is if I can add the new batch to what’s left of the original batch and cook (meaning about 30% of it will be cooking twice).
I guess we know who did well in Algebra !Thanks Gray
Ok - so I’m not talking about used 1st run. I’m talking about the first run soil that I haven’t used yet.
It sounds like I can go ahead then. I’ll get to it sometime tomorrow, which is at least 20 hours away so if anyone has a good reason why I shouldn’t, there is still plenty of time to stop me!
And I might sound like I’m calculating too finely but when I actually do the business I’m pretty fast and loose with it.
It will mean I end up using a full batch between now and end of summer (meaning i’ll have to sneak in an extra plant
I was going to be smart and comment with a "if a train is traveling North at 60 miles an hour...." lol. After 2 glasses of Pinot, it might have just been a math test! Lol
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Yes.....there are still plants growing near the fertilizer factory......mostly weeds. The more advanced ones are Clementine and are perhaps the most flavorful, terp-laden harvest I've ever experienced anywhere. I'm shocked!
The others are hazelnut cream.
The others are hazelnut cream.
Not me!! I love math but the study of it at school was well... let’s just say we didn’t get on. They put me in the advanced math class after 1st year high school and I hated it. I’ve studied music a lot tho... which is super mathematical in terms of technical theory... so yeah. I do algebra with my hands... by moving physical pieces around
.I tell ya what tho’, my math skills are sure getting a work out converting the Brix kit measurements to metric (gals to litres mostly). One day soon I’m gonna whittle it down to some basic ratios to replace all the per gal ratios and get DB to check em. My growing pots come in litres and so do the measure marks on my buckets!...
LaquerHead
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Gah lee Doc, those are absolutely perfect! 
I still hope to join the crew in the next year or so! Spent alot of money on "no-till", so the extra expenditure should probably wait awhile. Not sure there's anything better than what I'm currently doing, other than the kit! So it's my obvious next move . I'll keep following as long as you keep posting those beautiful creations of yours! 
I still hope to join the crew in the next year or so! Spent alot of money on "no-till", so the extra expenditure should probably wait awhile. Not sure there's anything better than what I'm currently doing, other than the kit! So it's my obvious next move . I'll keep following as long as you keep posting those beautiful creations of yours! 
Excellent Doc! You make me miss my clementine. As you know its lemon skunk and tangie. I got to try some very well grown outdoor lemon skunk and that's where the feel good happiness of clementine comes from. I'd like to run that one in HB.
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This one is right from Crockett....who lives in my zipcode. One of their employees is kinda hanging around lately, helping to trim and wash buds....she's blown away by it.
I'm waiting a formal introduction to the Crockett crew and perhaps they'll have some input on what to do with Lemon Paki.....once you and the OG guys all get a cut. That's coming very soon.....get your clone shippers ready in the next few weeks.
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Gah lee Doc, those are absolutely perfect!
In theory, "no-till" should be High Brix. However, in practice it is not.....for a bunch of reasons that can all be summed up thus:
Guesswork and too much potassium.
Once you try optimized soil you won't go back. The plants are.....different. They're fast, nimble, electric and very photogenic!
LaquerHead
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I cant wait! There is definitely alot of guesswork involved, I think I do pretty well however. But there's nowhere the quality I've seen you and the fellow brixers create...it's rather astonishing!
Like I said, I'm hooked, its just gonna take a little time! In the meanwhile, I'll watch the beauty's y'all produce
Math lost me when they started letting the alphabet play. All those little 'x' and 'y' and other letters just screwed me up. Now ironically, Geometry was easier for me than algebra, but I still hate all math with letters in it!
DrDoob
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Weirdly enough I’m the opposite. I totally got algebra (basic at least) but all those shapes and theories to memorize destroyed me in geometry.
