Doc Bud: All Organic OG Kush SCROG

[Doc Bud]

By diluting you do mean flush with plain water or let the soil dry a bit and then transplant to a plain mix? Im using plain happy frog but my mother plant has shown mag defs in past and adding epsom has corrected her so I decided to add some to the soil but oops. sorry for the semi nube questions.

No problem on the questions....that's what this forum is all about and ESPECIALLY my journals.

I would use your unadulterated Happy Frog soil and mix in a cup or so of the Epsom loaded soil. By my rough estimations, you've basically got about 10 times the amount of epsom in that one batch of soil, so you've got enough to fortify 10 similar sized containers.

Epsom salt can be easily added during the course of the grow......

What can't be added as effectively is phosphorus.....next time add some bone meal to the soil, water it, and let it cook for a month. Then, you'll get calcium and phosphorus. Add some Sul-Po-Mag with the bone meal, and now you've got calcium, phosphorus, sulfur, potassium and magnesium......you're now posed to get great taste and resin production, but you'll still need to feed a bit.....which is perfectly OK.

AT that point, you could add some OC+ to the already cooked soil (do not cook the OC+!!!!!) and you can essentially just add water and grow lovely plants. Hit 'em with some worm tea and compost tea a few times and now you're growing in the top 2%.

Don't waste time and money checking pH.....just water the damn plants!

So easy even a stoner can do it!

It's just that easy.

 

[Dr.Blue]

In my semi organic/ OC+ soil I usually add one tablespoon of epsom salts per gallon in when I mix it. So far no problems. 12 tablespoons is 3/4 cup so you added a little under 4 times what I mix in. So unless you need 14 gallons of soil all of a sudden you might just start over. I don't think I would try to flush it out myself.

 

[gittergreen]

Thanks doc, whats oc+?
I am going to start a new journal today our grow is already underway but already showing
some signs of trouble. not enough funds or time to do a supersoil this round I will list what we have to work with. we have come up with some more funds to add to our perpetual attempt. We have raised about 700.00 dollars so if you want to help us shop I am willing to listen! Thank you for your work and efforts here in 420 land your end results are amazing and practical!

 

[Vapedogg223]

Thanks doc, whats oc+?

Osmocote Plus Plant Food: Discuss Its Use With Cannabis Here! It really is great stuff!

Thank you for your work and efforts here in 420 land your end results are amazing and practical!

I'll second that!

 

[onegramperwat]

So Doc, do you think a little guano in the tea would improve bud production? Right now im using the Gen Organics line and want to switch to teas only. Maybe some kelp meal for micro nutes.

 

[Doc Bud]

So Doc, do you think a little guano in the tea would improve bud production? Right now im using the Gen Organics line and want to switch to teas only. Maybe some kelp meal for micro nutes.

I can't say for sure that using teas would improve bud production over the General Organics line. In fact, you may very well get a better yield with GO...i have no idea. GO is a consistent product, designed by professionals.

Homemade teas are only as good as the ingredients and expertise of the home grower.....

Having said all that, it's my opinion that with superb ingredients and a good recipe, teas combined with a properly designed soil is the "best" way to go if you want the highest quality. That takes practice and a good deal of learning.

Kelp meal won't give you all the micronutes, but it is essential for good microbial action in both the soil and the teas you might brew.

Before you go organic, I suggest doing a bunch of reading. At the bare minimum, learn what each and every major and minor nutrient does and where they come from. On top of that, learn about the different bacteria, fungi, nematodes etc. and how they feed the plant.....and more importantly how to feed the soil instead of feeding the plant.

That's the biggest difference between the organic approach and the salt-based fertilizer approach. Organic gardening, done correctly, means a rich, living soil and very little to do on the part of the gardener....pruning, watering and reacting to any problems and pests.

My grows have been remarkably trouble free since I've gone organic. I have a few finicky strains that I'm identifying that need a much more mild soil.....so I'll nail those next time. Pest problems are greatly reduced with the organic approach. Foliar application of compost and/or worm teas not only mitigate pests like mites and thripes, they also heal the damage done by these pests.

And of course, the best part about organic growing is the taste and effect. I am convinced that organic weed has a more balanced, nuanced effect. It's not necessarily more potent.....just better.

Individual mileage may vary.....

 

[Vapedogg223]

I can't say for sure that using teas would improve bud production over the General Organics line. In fact, you may very well get a better yield with GO...i have no idea. GO is a consistent product, designed by professionals.

Homemade teas are only as good as the ingredients and expertise of the home grower.....

Having said all that, it's my opinion that with superb ingredients and a good recipe, teas combined with a properly designed soil is the "best" way to go if you want the highest quality. That takes practice and a good deal of learning.

Kelp meal won't give you all the micronutes, but it is essential for good microbial action in both the soil and the teas you might brew.

Before you go organic, I suggest doing a bunch of reading. At the bare minimum, learn what each and every major and minor nutrient does and where they come from. On top of that, learn about the different bacteria, fungi, nematodes etc. and how they feed the plant.....and more importantly how to feed the soil instead of feeding the plant.

That's the biggest difference between the organic approach and the salt-based fertilizer approach. Organic gardening, done correctly, means a rich, living soil and very little to do on the part of the gardener....pruning, watering and reacting to any problems and pests.

My grows have been remarkably trouble free since I've gone organic. I have a few finicky strains that I'm identifying that need a much more mild soil.....so I'll nail those next time. Pest problems are greatly reduced with the organic approach. Foliar application of compost and/or worm teas not only mitigate pests like mites and thripes, they also heal the damage done by these pests.

And of course, the best part about organic growing is the taste and effect. I am convinced that organic weed has a more balanced, nuanced effect. It's not necessarily more potent.....just better.

Individual mileage may vary.....

Words of wisdom brother!

I'm not ready to abandon the OC+ yet... It just works too well, but I've been using it with a soil mix amended with lots of good stuff, but real light on the major nutrients.

I plan to start making teas a major part of my grows. Ive been reading two books: Teaming with Microbes: The Organic Gardener's Guide to the Soil Food Web, Revised Edition by Jeff Lowenfels and Wayne Lewis and Compost Tea Making: For Organic Healthier Vegetables, Flowers, Orchards, Vineyards, Lawns by Marc Remillard. I put together an AACT brewer, and once I finish the books I'll be ready to go. For someone without any background in biology, I'm learning a lot of stuff I never knew. The stuff I did know, I learned here on 420 Magazine from folks like you Doc!

 

[Doc Bud]

Words of wisdom brother!

I'm not ready to abandon the OC+ yet... It just works too well, but I've been using it with a soil mix amended with lots of good stuff, but real light on the major nutrients.

I plan to start making teas a major part of my grows. Ive been reading two books: Teaming with Microbes: The Organic Gardener's Guide to the Soil Food Web, Revised Edition by Jeff Lowenfels and Wayne Lewis and Compost Tea Making: For Organic Healthier Vegetables, Flowers, Orchards, Vineyards, Lawns by Marc Remillard. I put together an AACT brewer, and once I finish the books I'll be ready to go. For someone without any background in biology, I'm learning a lot of stuff I never knew. The stuff I did know, I learned here on 420 Magazine from folks like you Doc!

Bro! That is so cool you're reading those books. I'm going to look those up.

If you stay on that path, you'll be part of the future for sure. When our favorite plants are legal, the quality of pot is going to be amazing. Organic growing is going to be a big part of that.

Climate controlled greenhouses are where it's at.

 

[Vapedogg223]

Bro! That is so cool you're reading those books. I'm going to look those up.

If you stay on that path, you'll be part of the future for sure. When our favorite plants are legal, the quality of pot is going to be amazing. Organic growing is going to be a big part of that.

Climate controlled greenhouses are where it's at.

I totally agree that organics is the future if we can ever end this asinine prohibition.

No different really than alcohol...when it's illegal something to "get fu*ked up" was good enough. But now we have single malt scotches, amazing varieties of wine and liqueurs, wonderful craft beers, etc. No more moonshine and the associated health risks!

I'll definitely need to wait for the laws to change before I can get a greenhouse and fire up some of that Colombian Gold. Around here a greenhouse not attached to a florist or nursery stands out like a nun in a whorehouse!

 

[nugslinger420]

Hey doc are there any good books you would recommend for beginners in organics? My first and only grow is organic but not at the level you're at or any where close.

 

[Doc Bud]

Hey doc are there any good books you would recommend for beginners in organics? My first and only grow is organic but not at the level you're at or any where close.

There is tons of information about organic gardening on the web. I'm sure there are plenty of good books too!

Here's a tip: don't do your research with cannabis. Start with vegetables and just go to website after website....just let it soak in. What do organic vegetable gardeners do? Do they pH? Do they spend hundreds of dollars on "nutes?" (hint: no to both)

Read what they say about soil pH, organic matter, compost, etc. Then give it a try!

 

[voltron]

Hi DB, thanks for the info an insight into organic growing. I agree picking up a organic grow book on vegetables will strenghten our knowledge as it will deal with composting, and feeding your soil not necessarily a particular plant. The base line feeding is pretty much the same with varying amounts of micro/macro nutes at different growth stages, at least how I've seen it or am I way off?. So read, read, and apply.

Quick question: I noticed a small brown spot on one of your ladies (had to use special lenses to see thru the SnowStorm ) I too have the same thing that happened to one of mine that I am vegging while waiting on my 12/12 from seed to finish in flowering tent. I noticed this after a feeding that I inadvertantly increased the strength using organic Blue Planet nutes in FFOF. I was wondering if you thought it was a slight burn if thats even possible using organics or maybe a lil def in Mg? It only showed on 1 or 2 leafs and is perfect in every other way. I plan on watering with same solution since it is fit for a mature plant and my lady is almost4weeks now and she grew nicely from the increase. I was just wondering if I burned her while watching for any further signs of deficiencies if any. Thanks for your opinion. I hope my girl has many more characteristics of yours.

 

[Doc Bud]

Hi DB, thanks for the info an insight into organic growing. I agree picking up a organic grow book on vegetables will strenghten our knowledge as it will deal with composting, and feeding your soil not necessarily a particular plant. The base line feeding is pretty much the same with varying amounts of micro/macro nutes at different growth stages, at least how I've seen it or am I way off?. So read, read, and apply.

Quick question: I noticed a small brown spot on one of your ladies (had to use special lenses to see thru the SnowStorm ) I too have the same thing that happened to one of mine that I am vegging while waiting on my 12/12 from seed to finish in flowering tent. I noticed this after a feeding that I inadvertantly increased the strength using organic Blue Planet nutes in FFOF. I was wondering if you thought it was a slight burn if thats even possible using organics or maybe a lil def in Mg? It only showed on 1 or 2 leafs and is perfect in every other way. I plan on watering with same solution since it is fit for a mature plant and my lady is almost4weeks now and she grew nicely from the increase. I was just wondering if I burned her while watching for any further signs of deficiencies if any. Thanks for your opinion. I hope my girl has many more characteristics of yours.

A slight brown spot? Doesn't sound too bad....can you point it out?

Not every leaf is perfect, but most of them are. It's all about the flowers anyways....I'm going to trim all those leaves off and save the buds someday....

 

[onegramperwat]

Thants for the great advice again Doc! I tried to find the pyrogro but unable to locate. Can I order online?

I pulled a plant out of budding tent(3 weeks ago) and put in veg tent. It was in flowering for 3 week. Its the strangest plant ive ever seen. It has single leaves and hasnt really grown any new groth. Am I wasting my time or will it eventually rebound?

Do u use budswel from The Guano Company?

Are u watering when pots are lite?

 

[Doc Bud]

Thants for the great advice again Doc! I tried to find the pyrogro but unable to locate. Can I order online?

I pulled a plant out of budding tent(3 weeks ago) and put in veg tent. It was in flowering for 3 week. Its the strangest plant ive ever seen. It has single leaves and hasnt really grown any new groth. Am I wasting my time or will it eventually rebound?

Do u use budswel from The Guano Company?

Are u watering when pots are lite?

Yep....Budswell from Guano company.

When you abruptly change the photoperiod longer, like going from 12 hours of darkness to 6 the plant goes into shock. Single bladed leaves, foxtailing tiny buds.....whacky.

If you prune it back and wait about 4 to 8 weeks or until you start to see normal leaves again you can save it and you'll have a pretty well developed root system too.

 

[voltron]

Hey Doc, that spot isn't bad at all. Surely not effecting anything that you are doing. I thought maybe it was the same thing my girl was showing, but I'm not too sure. It is on post#151 4th pic down, fan leaf kinda to the left very frosty but has one spot on it actually may be purple not brown. And yes, the important parts are very much desirable, those pretty flowers I would still take your leaves over mine all day If you take a look let me know, I am now thinking it is just a pigment thing that the leaves do especially under some real light Or was it the MJ I was toking on messing with my brain

 

[Doc Bud]

Hey Doc, that spot isn't bad at all. Surely not effecting anything that you are doing. I thought maybe it was the same thing my girl was showing, but I'm not too sure. It is on post#151 4th pic down, fan leaf kinda to the left very frosty but has one spot on it actually may be purple not brown. And yes, the important parts are very much desirable, those pretty flowers I would still take your leaves over mine all day If you take a look let me know, I am now thinking it is just a pigment thing that the leaves do especially under some real light Or was it the MJ I was toking on messing with my brain

Well, that whole plant is turning purple, read, orange and black as we speak. The buds are swelling, frosting is even more than before....2 stakes to hold it up now....so what you're seeing there is probably nothing more than fall colors.

I've got temps turned down to 65 at night, RH at 40% during the dark cycle and 50% during light. We're going purple on the NZ PK's and the lemon thai. Resin production is off the hook on the OG's as well.

 

[SimqlyComqlex]

Hey Doc!

Big fan and much respect. I was curious what your knowledge/practice was once the ladies have been harvested? ie: do you kill the plant each cycle??

 

[Doc Bud]

Hey Doc!

Big fan and much respect. I was curious what your knowledge/practice was once the ladies have been harvested? ie: do you kill the plant each cycle??

I kill the plants when I harvest. Re-veg is interesting for sure, but not practical for me. The only time I could see myself re-vegging is if I have a super amazing plant and want to make it into a mother plant.

Hopefully, I'll get my Tissue Culture Micro-propagation thing going soon and I can store a nice library of genetics.

 

[onegramperwat]

Yeah Doc lead the way with tissue culture micro, student is seated and ready.

Have you used the Ice Flow heat exchanger for water cooling hoods? Anyone you know who had success? The heat is 6mo away but im already stressing from last summer. Trying to avoid ac cost.

Peace